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Did you mean DRG in there?

Really MNK is the only job right now that overloads on positionals. DRG and NIN have like 3 abilities each that require a specific position.

I do expect SAM to be heavy on positionals. Honestly if you're looking for a "stand and deliver" job, you're probably better off playing BRD or BLM.

Can certainly say brd isn't a turret, least not in the content I do since like MCH you have to stance dance to maintain DPS (one mch roation relies on it) - From what they stated in the keynote Samurai is a reskinned Ninja with MNK's chakra system thrown in, which will actually minimize positionals.

Eh. I get why SAM is so popular and exciting for many people but its never really been my thing. Even back in the XI days I never really liked it that much.

Also, I'm annoyed that there's still no physical pet job. Give me beast or puppetmaster already! It's insane that I'm forced to play arcanist if I want a pet.

Obviously BST in XIV wouldn't be the same as BST in XI. No one would ever expect that. More likely you'd have a selection of permanent pets to choose from, like SMN. That's not so unreasonable.

Let me rephrase that:
No one with a functional brain would ever expect that.

I know that discounts a lot of people, but I usually ignore those people anyway.

Edited, Feb 18th 2017 6:52pm by Karlina

I think some FFXI jobs is much easier to implement in FFXIV than other jobs. I would think BST be one of harder ones. I just couldn't see charming could work easily or efficiently in FFXIV especially in dungeons, but there is some hope that jug pets can work (but it may be hard to make different enough from Summoner). For similar reason, I am not optimist that Blue Mage can be added to FFXIV easily with the way how game engine and interface work now; they will be just too many buttons to cast for too many blue spells, and that may not be workable with console controller players.

In some ways, Samurai is easy to implement. For disappointed Dancer and Geomancer fans, I think chances to see DNC and GEO to get implemented eventually are high because, like Samurai, are quite compatible with the current engine and interface. If anything, I am bit worried how Red Mage will be. Being a RDM fan is one thing, but you get to think from the perspective in how to get it to work without making Red Mage too close to how Black Mage is played right now.

FFXI is a very macro-based game, and its success is heavily relied on job flexibility and programmable use of skills and spells. This is something FFXIV lacks, and FFXIV relies on straightforward use and command in smaller number of abilities. Any jobs that require high degree of customisation are not easy to implement in FFXIV.

Edited, Feb 18th 2017 9:37pm by scchan

I agree. I think BST would feel like a melee SMN and I can't think of any way to implement BLU in FFXIV's system without it being monstrously disappointing.



BLM is a super turret. It isn't too difficult to imagine a hybrid caster/melee job that's far more mobile but still relies heavily on casting spells, which basically seems like what they're doing with it. As for DNC and GEO, I don't think you'll see those until they embrace the idea of a "support" role that isn't necessarily a healer. Maybe you could get away with DNC being a dps in the same vein that BRD is where it's primarily a dps but has some supporty functions. But GEO without just being other-BLM? I doubt it.



To be fair here, the reason FFXI needs to lean on macros like it does is because of gear swapping. Without gear swapping, you could easily run FFXI on a hotbar system with no problems.

Yeah. Very few things in XI actually required complicated macros. Like most people, I had gear swaps out the wazoo, but across all jobs I only had a handful of macros that involved multiple spells/abilities.


I don't care. I just want a pet, damn it!

I haven't played XI in 7 years and I still miss my wyvern.

I know, right? I used one of those third party script things get bigger macros. Majorly against the ToS, but it sure beat having to press several buttons just to cast one spell.

Edited, Feb 18th 2017 11:02pm by Karlina

Charm is honestly one of the worst executed things XI pulled, despite the fact some people liked it. Overall, I can understand the allure of making wild critters fight for you, but then you had factors like mischarms, EXP penalty early on, variable charm durations, traditional camps rarely supporting the play style, early MPK, NM/zoo cheese, endgame areas lacking charmables, some mobs being outright immune, and an overall minimal control of the mob itself.

What came later of jug pets really should've been the job from the start, and has arguably been done similarly in other MMOs in their own ways, Of course, pet jobs always wind up a balance nightmare depending on how one feels the master should also play., and some think SCH is toeing that line in XIV already.

You say "too similar to SMN" like it's a bad thing. A melee with SMN like pets is exactly what I want.

Now that is a way that I have not thought about. Perhaps a merge between barbarian and beastmaster. In some ways that does not need to be a tank at all. DPS works as well, and I bet many will play to just fight riding an animal. X_x