"They don't want players whining about a lack of content/"nothing to do" because they hungrily wolfed down what was put in front of them like a rabid starving dog that hasn't eaten in 10 years."
I wouldnt whine about lack of content cause I literally have 37 other games in my backlog that were 60 bucks when I bought em that are now 20-30 bucks now that I havent touched yet due to FFXIV taking up 90% of my gaming time. I would LOVE to be able to get through all this games content in 2 days and not have to touch it for another 88 until the next content patch is added while I play my OTHER stuff thats literally piling up.
Also if thats why SE has time gates then explain FFXIV 1.0 EXP caps? Did they or did they not say it was because they dint want players with more time leveling faster than those with less time? So yeah Im sure thats what the time gates in this game are for too.
"Especially THIS game. When SE announced it would rebuild XIV and launch it as a new game, Yoshi-P made clear this was going to be a casual-friendly game that could a) be played alongside another MMO and b) not dominate a person's schedule."
Lol play this alongside another MMO? Umm no I thought of trying to play EVE Online with this but I dont see hat being able to work well let alone well enough to justify paying for BOTH, Also did try Never winter or Star Trek Online for the same reasons. I can think of a million MMOs id LIKE to try but I dont see them and FFXIV being able to coexist with my time.
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In any event though, if the relic was built for the entire game as you suggest, you run into a problem when a new player comes in at expansion 7 or 8 and now in order to "catch up" they have to do 8 expansions worth of relic progression which probably represents 15 years of work. How is that supposed to work?
FFXIV is a vertical game. It's never going to not be a vertical game. And in a vertical game, the next expansion is supposed to offer more powerful advancement than the expansions before it.
FFXIV is a vertical game. It's never going to not be a vertical game. And in a vertical game, the next expansion is supposed to offer more powerful advancement than the expansions before it.
This, exactly.
And I've found my relic to be incredibly useful. My i270 paladin relic beats out anything else I could have in the game at this point... my static is still learning Zurvan, and the Sophia weapon (which I do have tokens for) is just i260... but I already had an i260 long before I could have had one from Sophia, thanks to the relic quest.
I've gotten months of use from my relic, and it's not over yet.
And when SB hits, the process "starts over," but it really doesn't. I'm still just climbing the ladder and doing the same things I would regardless of whether my previously finished weapon was "traded in." The only difference is that other players who didn't do the relic in HW can now jump in without being turned off by an even larger grind.
What's wrong with letting everyone start fresh with each expansion? Absolutely nothing. At least, not in this game, which was designed to be exactly this type of game with zero surprises.
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People get too attached to gear. They're just tools to clear new fights. You're not gonna AFK in town so people can oogle your epic weapon you looted from Ragnaros. XIV isn't that type of game.
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I wouldnt whine about lack of content cause I literally have 37 other games in my backlog that were 60 bucks when I bought em that are now 20-30 bucks now that I havent touched yet due to FFXIV taking up 90% of my gaming time. I would LOVE to be able to get through all this games content in 2 days and not have to touch it for another 88 until the next content patch is added while I play my OTHER stuff thats literally piling up.
YOU wouldn't whine, but lots of other people certainly would.
And SE doesn't want you to play 2 days out of 90, where's the fun in that?
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Also if thats why SE has time gates then explain FFXIV 1.0 EXP caps? Did they or did they not say it was because they dint want players with more time leveling faster than those with less time? So yeah Im sure thats what the time gates in this game are for too.
FFXIV 1.0 made a huge plethora of mistakes, and they realized these mistakes, and they turned away from these mistakes. You can't point at things they did in 1.0 and apply the same philosophy to ARR.
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Lol play this alongside another MMO? Umm no I thought of trying to play EVE Online with this but I dont see hat being able to work well let alone well enough to justify paying for BOTH, Also did try Never winter or Star Trek Online for the same reasons. I can think of a million MMOs id LIKE to try but I dont see them and FFXIV being able to coexist with my time.
As long as you're not trying to do relics and other junk as fast as you can, you could easily do XIV alongside another MMO. But again, it depends if you want to be ultra hardcore or not. Many casual players can easily do a couple MMOs. I play FFXI and FFXIV and sometimes some Warframe and even sometimes some singleplayer gaming and other activities on the side. I have fun with it.
I play FFXIV regularly. I also play Fallout IV, FFXI (sporadically) and several other games off and on. And I'm an avid runner who works out at least once per day. And I work full time (I'm a manager, too). And I make sure to spend quality time with family and friends whenever possible.
So, yes, FFXIV can EASILY be played alongside another MMO. It's that type of game.
So, yes, FFXIV can EASILY be played alongside another MMO. It's that type of game.
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Lyrailis wrote:
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I wouldnt whine about lack of content cause I literally have 37 other games in my backlog that were 60 bucks when I bought em that are now 20-30 bucks now that I havent touched yet due to FFXIV taking up 90% of my gaming time. I would LOVE to be able to get through all this games content in 2 days and not have to touch it for another 88 until the next content patch is added while I play my OTHER stuff thats literally piling up.
YOU wouldn't whine, but lots of other people certainly would.
And SE doesn't want you to play 2 days out of 90, where's the fun in that?
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Also if thats why SE has time gates then explain FFXIV 1.0 EXP caps? Did they or did they not say it was because they dint want players with more time leveling faster than those with less time? So yeah Im sure thats what the time gates in this game are for too.
FFXIV 1.0 made a huge plethora of mistakes, and they realized these mistakes, and they turned away from these mistakes. You can't point at things they did in 1.0 and apply the same philosophy to ARR.
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Lol play this alongside another MMO? Umm no I thought of trying to play EVE Online with this but I dont see hat being able to work well let alone well enough to justify paying for BOTH, Also did try Never winter or Star Trek Online for the same reasons. I can think of a million MMOs id LIKE to try but I dont see them and FFXIV being able to coexist with my time.
As long as you're not trying to do relics and other junk as fast as you can, you could easily do XIV alongside another MMO. But again, it depends if you want to be ultra hardcore or not. Many casual players can easily do a couple MMOs. I play FFXI and FFXIV and sometimes some Warframe and even sometimes some singleplayer gaming and other activities on the side. I have fun with it.
We'll yes youre right if youre not trying to "accomplish" anything then yes you can play a million different games at the same time. But whats the point of doing so if youre not playing to win" so to speak?
Also SE DOES want you to play 2 days out of 90... If they didnt theyd have enough content to make it so thats not possible... I mean look at FFXI... that game had so much content even on day one that even playing 8 hours a day 7 days a week you would NEVER do it all before something new was added. Thus the carrot was perpetually dangled in front of you and gave you a reason to log on and play all day EVERY day. FFXIV however is so lacking that they have to give you weekly lockouts so you CANT complete their sparse content before they can add new ones.
I mean FFXI is 12 years old and theres STILL content I have YET to see or venture into... ZNMs, TOAU kings, Pandemonium Warden, Einherjar, etc etc and that stuff is YEAR old at this point. Now THATS how you design content. Lets find years old content in FFXIV that even ONE person whos been playing since day one hasnt done yet?
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"In any event though, if the relic was built for the entire game as you suggest, you run into a problem when a new player comes in at expansion 7 or 8 and now in order to "catch up" they have to do 8 expansions worth of relic progression which probably represents 15 years of work. How is that supposed to work?"
How does that work? Easy in FFXI you didnt NEED relic by any means so if you joined 8 years late... ok dont get it. There is nothing in the game that is inaccessible or doable to you just because you lack a relic weapon. Plus looking at the list of stuff you have to do to get it and finding out how long that would take would turn most of from trying ANYWAY sooooo yeah. Just like theres things in FFXIV you dont NEED either. Ive NEVER owned a single piece of Savage or Coil gear because I was never "cool" enough to be able to even get into parties to TRY them because of the communities strict requirements (which is why FFXI will ALWAYS be the better game... or at least better community). Thus I get the highest tome gear available then when the inevitable patch comes out that lets me get the upgrade items through 24 man raid I upgrade them that way. Quite simple. Ill never be BiS but at least Ill be the highest IL available.
How does that work? Easy in FFXI you didnt NEED relic by any means so if you joined 8 years late... ok dont get it. There is nothing in the game that is inaccessible or doable to you just because you lack a relic weapon. Plus looking at the list of stuff you have to do to get it and finding out how long that would take would turn most of from trying ANYWAY sooooo yeah. Just like theres things in FFXIV you dont NEED either. Ive NEVER owned a single piece of Savage or Coil gear because I was never "cool" enough to be able to even get into parties to TRY them because of the communities strict requirements (which is why FFXI will ALWAYS be the better game... or at least better community). Thus I get the highest tome gear available then when the inevitable patch comes out that lets me get the upgrade items through 24 man raid I upgrade them that way. Quite simple. Ill never be BiS but at least Ill be the highest IL available.
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How does that work? Easy in FFXI you didnt NEED relic by any means so if you joined 8 years late... ok dont get it.
This isn't FFXI.
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Plus looking at the list of stuff you have to do to get it and finding out how long that would take would turn most of from trying ANYWAY sooooo yeah.
I'd probably avoid starting it NOW, this close to the expansion. But it's still doable. Before my internet turned into a potato I was even entertaining the idea of starting a second anima weapon because I'd calculated that I had enough time to do it.
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Ive NEVER owned a single piece of Savage or Coil gear because I was never "cool" enough to be able to even get into parties to TRY them because of the communities strict requirements (which is why FFXI will ALWAYS be the better game... or at least better community).
Because FFXI communities never had ridiculous requirements to enter content. Nope. Never. Didn't happen. Scurrilous lies.
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Thus I get the highest tome gear available then when the inevitable patch comes out that lets me get the upgrade items through 24 man raid I upgrade them that way. Quite simple. Ill never be BiS but at least Ill be the highest IL available.
Hey me too. That's what I've been doing most of this time.
Btw I usually play FFXIV alongside another MMO. Usually WoW.. though WoW has introduced other problems lately that have turned me off on it. Generally I play FFXIV casually and raid in WoW, or I do story content in SWTOR, or I level and ***** around in FFXI. There's always something. FFXIV is not that demanding on my time that I can't play something else next to it.
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We'll yes youre right if youre not trying to "accomplish" anything then yes you can play a million different games at the same time. But whats the point of doing so if youre not playing to win" so to speak?
Playing to "win"? Win what? I don't recall this being a competition or anything like that.
I log on, make progress on my character for awhile, and then log off. The only time I don't win, is if I failed to have fun while I was logged on.
If I had fun between the time I logged on and the time I logged off, I did indeed "win". So yes, I play to "win".
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Also SE DOES want you to play 2 days out of 90... If they didnt theyd have enough content to make it so thats not possible...
lol, I don't know where you keep getting these silly ideas. There's plenty of content in XIV, you just gobbled it all up. You think it's as simple as "add more content"? That content takes TIME to make. It isn't like FFXI where it's yet more copypasta, yet another zone that you can only access once every once in awhile, that's full of the same mobs you've been fighting all along, yadda yadda.
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I mean look at FFXI... that game had so much content even on day one that even playing 8 hours a day 7 days a week you would NEVER do it all before something new was added.
Eh, I doubt it. The main barrier to getting things done in FFXI, was GRIND. Back before Abyssea, it took WEEKS to levelup. But that wasn't really fun. Killing the same 4-5 enemies over and over and over and over again wasn't fun.
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Thus the carrot was perpetually dangled in front of you and gave you a reason to log on and play all day EVERY day. FFXIV however is so lacking that they have to give you weekly lockouts so you CANT complete their sparse content before they can add new ones.
They give weekly lockouts to prevent people gobbling down the content in a few days due to a lack of self-control.
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I mean FFXI is 12 years old and theres STILL content I have YET to see or venture into... ZNMs, TOAU kings, Pandemonium Warden, Einherjar, etc etc and that stuff is YEAR old at this point. Now THATS how you design content. Lets find years old content in FFXIV that even ONE person whos been playing since day one hasnt done yet?
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You haven't done that stuff, because you didn't have the uber gear and uber connections so that you had 30-40 people at your beck&call to do this stuff for you. The only reason you can do it now, is because a lot of this stuff is solo-able thanks to Item-Level Gear and Trusts. If it weren't for those, you still couldn't do it lol.
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Playing to "win"? Win what?
You know... "the things."
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umm FFXI never had " ridiculous requirements to enter content" or required uber ger to do. I mean EVERYOE let complete fresh newbies join in on Dynamis with zero experience before hand instead of all the "must have clear or no bonus/experince only" community we have now" How do you get experience if you cant get in to begin with? I COULd have been able to do all those things I hadnt done but never got around to it because I had BUNCH OF other stuff to do. The only barrier most ppl in XI had was job class... i,.e good luck being wanted in anything if you were lets say a thf (unless they needed TH in which case they only needed one of you). But I had thf, brd and SAM leveled so there was NO content I couldnt get in (except maybe Salvage because of the whole mnks are better with no equipment" thing but I even managed to get in there sooooo yeah
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umm FFXI never had " ridiculous requirements to enter content" or required uber ger to do. I mean EVERYOE let complete fresh newbies join in on Dynamis with zero experience before hand instead of all the "must have clear or no bonus/experince only" community we have now" How do you get experience if you cant get in to begin with?
I take it you never actually did this stuff, or even tried to, right? Yeah, you go ahead and show up to a Kirin Fight wearing AF and other random assorted junk and see if you don't get laughed out of the alliance. lol. (back in the day, I mean)
You could MAYBE get away with showing up to a Dynamis as a WHM in blah gear (I did a couple times), but as a DPS, or much less a Tank? Absolutely Not. You needed good gear.
Apparently you don't remember the scads of DRKs, MNKs, and DRGs shouting for days wanting an endgame Linkshell, or heck, even an XP group took hours to get.
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I COULd have been able to do all those things I hadnt done but never got around to it because I had BUNCH OF other stuff to do. The only barrier most ppl in XI had was job class... i,.e good luck being wanted in anything if you were lets say a thf (unless they needed TH in which case they only needed one of you). But I had thf, brd and SAM leveled so there was NO content I couldnt get in (except maybe Salvage because of the whole mnks are better with no equipment" thing but I even managed to get in there sooooo yeah
Yeah, there was just SOOOO much to do.... not. You had the expansion story line, and you had... endgame crap, most of which was camping mobs for pop items, until ToAU when they added stuff like Assault and Salvage, but even then... you still needed good gear to do that stuff. And actual groups, you know? But you see, one thing most groups didn't like doing, was carrying any random DPS that wanted to get into their groups. They might carry a tank, or a brd, or somebody, but they're not going to carry some no-name DPS, lol..
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youre right no one did Kirin in AF but at level 75 most ppl werent still wearing AF anyway. as thf I had an ohat, emp pin leaping boots (you still wore those that early at 75) Scorpion harness, the only piece of AF I still wore was the pants, and then there was the dragon armor which as long as it wasnt +1 was super cheap and buyable from an AH. So yeah I dont think ANYONE was still wearin FULL AF at 75, but lets say they did, ok so your alliance take crap but at the end of the day you still got in and got it killed, you know cause more than half of everyone else was wearin decent gear, 1 person or even 2 or 3 in sub[ar gear (unless its a tank) its gonna make or break the alliances chances of winning.
Plus strategy and skill in that game beat job or gear any day. I mean my entire CoP static (which we completed pre any nerfs) did every mission without a single smn in our party or a nin or war/nin heck or even ANYONE with a nin sub period war or otherwise. Yet if you went by shouts in Jeuno youd think those were the ONLY jobs that could finish a CoP mission. Well clearly me and my team didnt get the memo and if we did it was wrong cause we still got the job done. Sure we spent about 150k per fight attempt on iwing, pots ethers etc etc but you do what you gotta do if you wanna win.
XIV on the other hand you can be the highest IL available, WAY past the IL requirement to do said fight and ppl STILL wont let you TRY because you havent done it before or cleared it (which makes no sense, cant clear or do it before if no one lets you right)? Start your own learning party you say? Sure wonderful idea... except now you wait 4 hours and it doesnt even fill up lol.. sooo 4 hours and you accomplished nothing.... what were we saying about being able to play other games with XIV again? Cause Im sure 4 hours to get NOTHING done is counter productive to having time for other games right? lol
Plus strategy and skill in that game beat job or gear any day. I mean my entire CoP static (which we completed pre any nerfs) did every mission without a single smn in our party or a nin or war/nin heck or even ANYONE with a nin sub period war or otherwise. Yet if you went by shouts in Jeuno youd think those were the ONLY jobs that could finish a CoP mission. Well clearly me and my team didnt get the memo and if we did it was wrong cause we still got the job done. Sure we spent about 150k per fight attempt on iwing, pots ethers etc etc but you do what you gotta do if you wanna win.
XIV on the other hand you can be the highest IL available, WAY past the IL requirement to do said fight and ppl STILL wont let you TRY because you havent done it before or cleared it (which makes no sense, cant clear or do it before if no one lets you right)? Start your own learning party you say? Sure wonderful idea... except now you wait 4 hours and it doesnt even fill up lol.. sooo 4 hours and you accomplished nothing.... what were we saying about being able to play other games with XIV again? Cause Im sure 4 hours to get NOTHING done is counter productive to having time for other games right? lol
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what were we saying about being able to play other games with XIV again? Cause Im sure 4 hours to get NOTHING done is counter productive to having time for other games right? lol
Well I guess that depends on how you want to play. If you want to play XIV more hardcore, then you need a static to cut out all that wasted time. But I have a great time with my once-weekly static that just plays for two hours. So, yes, plenty of time for other games AND I can do harder fights in XIV!
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Statics wouldnt work for me these days "thanks" to having a job whos days and times change weekly thus being availible at pne day and time this week doesnt mean i will be on the same day and timethe next one. In fact i WONT be. So yeah PUG is my only option
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Statics wouldnt work for me these days "thanks" to having a job whos days and times change weekly thus being availible at pne day and time this week doesnt mean i will be on the same day and timethe next one. In fact i WONT be. So yeah PUG is my only option
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Among the same reasons I never did endgame in FFXI.
But yet we're kinda straying from the original topic of FFXIV and its endgame compared to FFXI, aren't we? You argue that FFXI's endgame is better, but yet oddly enough, at least in FFXIV you didn't hit a huge brick wall at max level and be unable to do hardly anything, you could at least farm tomestones with the daily roulettes if absolutely nothing else. And of course, there are plenty of side-activities to do on the side, even.
I remember in FFXI... if you got a job to max level, all there was left to do was.... farm, craft, or level another job. Everything else needed an endgame linkshell. There were almost no PUGs doing actual content. Nobody PUG'd Dynamis... Sky... etc. unless you were a BRD, or a healer and had a good reputation, then maybe someone might have tossed you a /tell asking you to sub in for a night because their usual wasn't available.
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