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#1 Nov 08 2004 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
All my old EQL buddies are refusing to even try EQ2. Of course this is because they have too much invested in EQL and have reached a comfortable place in the Endgame there.

I never really got as far as they have, and now I'm heading into EQ2 with the same feelings as when EQL was launched. The idea of a fresh world with that "New Game Smell" (tm) is just what I've been wanting.

Anyone else having trouble bridging the gap? Surely SOE doesn't plan on supporting EQL forever. Eventually they will chose to shift their resources elsewhere and those old diehards will be forced to chose a new opiate. My own brother has almost disowned me and if EQL goes away someday he'll probably die. A lot of my old friends are in the same boat.

Any thoughts? If this has been posted about before, which is entirely possible, just set me straight.
#2 Nov 08 2004 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
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As long as the ratio of cost to profit is in SOE's favor, they will continue to support EQL. I don't mean that as a "Gaming companies greed" rant, it's acctually a good thing for EQL's fanbase. If they were thinking of stopping EQL you wouldn't see releases of new expansions, like the one released last month.
#3 Nov 08 2004 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
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I suspect that those unwilling to move to, or even try EQ2 are gamers that enjoy the end-game, raiding, and guild social aspects of EQ1. People who prefer the process of getting to the end game will be eager for the completely new challenge of EQ2.

As far as I am concerned in EQ1, level 65 = game over, time to move on. I don't want to be in a position of milling around wondering what to do, where to go, and what piece of gear even has a possible upgrade when I have basically finished the game. I don't even like the post 55+ game in EQ1 so I am thrilled there is finally an alternative.

I am very much looking for the awe inspiring immersion and fascination of seeing, for example, the Karanas for the first time - all over again.
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#4 Nov 08 2004 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
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I have seen similar statements and rifts with EQ1 players. The most die-hards come from the people at the highest levels of the game. They don't want to abandon the power and prestige they enjoy as a level 70 whatever to start over in a new world full of the unknown. They also feel they've put too much time and energy to get where they are in EQ1 to just close up shop and leave. I was no different at first, having played EQ1 for 5 1/2 years and knowing things like the back of my hand. However, after I got accepted into beta and when I actually went through the newbie experience and everything, I found myself enjoying EQ2 much more than EQ1 and was much more willing to abandon it to try EQ2. Hell, I'm sitting here chatting on message boards and playing Civ instead of dinking around with EQ1.

At any rate, expect many end-game players to be set in their ways for awhile and talk about how EQ1 is better or that EQ2 sucks or whatever. Most feel they've come too far or still enjoy EQ1 too much to care about EQ2 or any other games. The problem die-hards in EQ1 are eventually going to face is that EQ1 is going to attract less and less new players as time progresses. This means as older players quit, they'll be less people coming in to replace them. It'll be a slow process, perhaps years in the making, but many will leave EQ1 in time for one reason or another and choose another outlet, be it EQ2 or something else.

As far as how EQ1 players treat people leaving for another game, it never ceases to amaze me how worked up some people can get. When I decided to retire in EQ1 recently, I had one person (for the record, NOT in my guild) send me a tell saying how my leaving was totally inconvienant to them and that a true friend wouldn't just up and leave. To that, I gave them the finger and said that EQ1 is a game that I play for fun, not a chore I do to for other people's benefit. Most were nice otherwise, just surprising how seriously some people treat this crap.
#5 Nov 08 2004 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
Some of us are casual gamers because we simply don't have the time to spend 24/7 playing. For me, EQ2 is a LOT better choice for me because I am probably never going to be an end-game user on any of these since I don't have the time for groups and raiding, etc, etc. That means most of the new EQ1 content is basically useless to me, as I'll never get that high in level on EQ1.

EQ2 on the other hand, at least they have good solo content from the sound of it from levels 1-50 and while they encourage group activity, they don't REQUIRE it like they did with EQ1.
#6 Nov 08 2004 at 11:12 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah true dat on the profit thing. SOE will take their sweet time letting EQ1 die off. They're getting too damn rich.

Oh well. I look forward to making a new set of friends playing EQ2. Its like the first day of school again.
/sigh

See you then. If UPS ever gets here.
#7 Nov 09 2004 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
I have been there and done that on EQ1 for the most part. I was a 65 Barb Shaman in a decent high level raiding guild and up until PoP, things were great. I am in the US Navy and I could not always be around to get flagged. I tried and tried to to hold reflagging raids, but who really wants to do that? The fact of the matter is/was I fell behind.

When it all comes down to it, when my RL friends and I talk about EQ, it is the stories about what we did in Blackburrow, the time we ran (no ports) from Qeynos to Freeport at level 8 for the first time, or my first hate raid (in a bloodstained tunic). Those are times I miss, and EQ2 is going to give me the opportunity to do it all again...I am stoked.
#8 Nov 09 2004 at 12:10 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah exactly.

I found myself remembering all the good times I had in EQ1 and then I realized they were all Newb experiences when I fist got the game.

-Riding boats to the new continents, (pre-Luclin)
-Pwning the throne room in Crushbone for the first time
-Diving deep into the mansion in Unrest only to get my **** handed to me

That's what I hope EQ2 will provide. And I'm sure it will, at least to some degree. That's what makes a game fun for me: discovery. Not the endless treadmill of AAs and tweaking your gear all day long. I shudder to think of it.
#9 Nov 09 2004 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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-Riding boats to the new continents, (pre-Luclin)
-Pwning the throne room in Crushbone for the first time
-Diving deep into the mansion in Unrest only to get my **** handed to me


OMG! Those are some I had forgotten....man those were good times...


I remember learning languages on the boat during the trip with a bunch of people I didn't know at all.


#10 Nov 09 2004 at 12:16 AM Rating: Decent
Oh yeah.

I can only hope that there are enough of us left to enjoy EQ2 in the same way, without all the power gamers drowing us out.

/Shrug Ah, but what can you do?
#11 Nov 09 2004 at 1:50 AM Rating: Decent
Man that was sooo well put-YES the good ole days of waiting for boats while taking stupid snapshots of each other-how about jumping off everything tall-you hit it on the head-We never talk about anything post lvl 35-lost its magic with the evergrind-I am logging into eq2 as we speak 7 minutes before midnight on the 8th :) See yall there.
Hamut Warbringer
#12 Nov 09 2004 at 2:03 AM Rating: Decent
I played EQLive for 41/2 years, got my druid to max level, raided, AA's etc...I just got really disenchanted with it a few weeks back. I think PoP expansion really killed it for me. A whole new mentality was formed it was no longer about "lets go adventure" like the good ole days, now its just "ok need to get buff from PoK then Ill take stone to "X" hunting ground. People miss all the fun in it. I feel really bad for the new players of EQlive especially, they just dont get to really experience what us "old timers" had when the game was new and fresh (and harder to instantly get somewhere). I loved EQlive dont get me wrong and yes I am totally going into EQ2 alone b/c all my friends say "there is still too much to do in EQlive". IMO I think eventually even the hardcore EQlive people will eventually succumb to boredom or something similar and migrate to EQ2 (especially true if EQ2 ends up to be as fantastic as the begining of EQlive) Im just real glad no ports are avilable at all, I just love adventures with friends!! hope to see some of you in game..have fun
#13 Nov 09 2004 at 2:05 AM Rating: Decent
IMHO the devs seemed to of recaptured the feel of early EQLive very well with EQ2. Its kinda spooky really :)
#14 Nov 09 2004 at 2:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm a few kills from Time in EverquestLive, and couldn't be happier switching.

Everquest holds nothing for me anymore, after 5 years, it's dead.
#15 Nov 09 2004 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
My husband and I have played EQ1 for about 3 1/2 years, are elemental flagged and have level 67 and 68 chars....and we are so excited to drop those char's to head over to EQ2. I don't know about others but we got tired of the fact that if you want to move forward in the game at that point you have to be willing to devote 30 hours a week to a game that just isn't that fun for us anymore. We are both looking forward to starting over with lots of other folks who are just as excited to be playing as we are. We used to play on Xev, and quite a few folks from our old guilds and our old friends are heading to Lineage 2 or to WoW. We say more power to ya, EQ2 is calling our name and I hope we see all of you there and just remember...have fun!!
Mirtai Atana
67 Barbarian Roguey, Xev server
#16 Nov 09 2004 at 11:37 PM Rating: Decent
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The only thing that kept in in EQ1 for the last two years was my friends. None of us were hardcore power gamers, so we levelled tons of different characters together, going to out-of-the-way hunting spots that no one would use even for PLing. The game itself lost most of it's magic for me around the time my old guild on EMarr had a nasty split, and I moved servers to join one of my RL friends and got accepted into his little circle.

FFXI was an impulse buy for me. I had no friends who were going to play it, but I gave it a shot anyways. I liked what I saw on the main site, and I never regretted my purchase. So if I can get some of my old friends on EQ2, I will gladly split time between games to hang out with them, but I won't be quitting FFXI anytime soon, with so much left unseen/undone.
#17 Nov 10 2004 at 1:52 AM Rating: Decent
The big difference as I see it in going from EQ1 to EQ2 is that, unlike moving from one mature game to another, everybody starts out at the ground floor. Sure, there'll be some people who are able to play 20 hours a day for a couple of weeks and they'll race ahead....but that's not 'most' people. You're not going to be forced to solo because there are a lack of people at your level. In fact, I commented to a friend ingame that I'd never seen lowbie and newbie zones this crowded since I started playing EQ1 all those years ago.

Now I'm sure that there are EQ1 players that are level 70 and fully tricked out that absolutely hate the idea of starting over from scratch again- can't say I blame them, as that's alot of time and effort expended to reach that endgame. However, people that are on the fence as to whether to drop EQ1 and go to EQ2 or not have to keep one major thing in mind: both games are put out and supported by the same company- a company that has limited resources. Were I a betting man, I'd wager that EQ1 support will drop off immediately and not pick back up as more and more of those limited resources are devoted to EQ2. So EQ1 will become an even more stagnant game than it is now. If they can accept the limited new content just so they can play their high level toons, fine. But the challenge won't be there long-term.
#18 Nov 10 2004 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
I'm sorry, Its been quite a while since I played the original EQ, and I haven't exactly keep up on recent events...

That being said, just what the hell exactly is EQLIVE?

I don't remember ever hearing the game refered to as such back when I used to play, yet I see people here saying that they played it for 4-5 years?
Is it just a newer name for EQ or something?
Smiley: confused
#19 Nov 10 2004 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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Askavi wrote:
I'm sorry, Its been quite a while since I played the original EQ, and I haven't exactly keep up on recent events...

That being said, just what the hell exactly is EQLIVE?

I don't remember ever hearing the game refered to as such back when I used to play, yet I see people here saying that they played it for 4-5 years?
Is it just a newer name for EQ or something?
Smiley: confused


Nah, same as EQ, just a different name. The devs started calling it that a while back (not sure when.)
#20 Nov 10 2004 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
Thanks, it was starting to bug me. Don't ask me why, just was.
Smiley: wink
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