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For those that either missed it or need a refresher:

wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=69;mid=1200748957246586051;num=12;page=1

Well, gee, man, I tried what you told me to, I ground Stonemaul Ogres (46-49) for an hour and a half, and didn't get one single scrap of Nether Essence, like you told me would happen, because your table says 46-50 magic items yield Nether Essence, and everyone knows 46-50 magic items come from 46-50 creatures!!!

The reason I'm calling you out?

You totally missed my original question, and you totally missed the very subtle clue that I had actually worked on this problem a while.

I asked which zones yielded a given mat more frequently than others. Notice, in my original post, I mentioned "Silithus" as a spot that yields Eternal Essence more readily than any other zone.

Do you know why I mentioned Silithus?

Because I went through and looked at the top 50 50-60 magic items that dropped randomly, and looked at the percentage of drop rate by zone. My initial hypothesis: Silithus creatures drop magic items that yield Eternal Essence more readily than any other zone.

So I tested this hypothesis, by grinding in Silithus, Winterspring, Eastern Plaguelands, and a few other 50-60 spots. Lo and behold, Silithus did indeed yield more Eternal Essence after several hours of grinding than any other zone I tested.

What a useful piece of info, I thought! I wonder if anyone else has gone through the trouble of this kind of testing and has similar data for other mats?

So I asked. And instead of a "yes, I have, here's what I've discovered" or a "no, I haven't, good luck in your testing" I get "here's a f***ing table that doesn't say anything, you're a moron"

Next time someone asks a question, Mike, read it completely, and think about it in its entirety, and then decide if you have an answer. If you do, and that answer has some intelligence to it, great. If not, have a nice cup of STFU and let someone who actually gets the question take a stab.

Have a nice day!

Wait... I know this one... because you're taking ohmikegod's offhand comment that you fail at reading tables far too seriously and now have some personal vendetta against him? Was I close?


Show me exactly where ohmikegod said "Grind on Stonemaul ogres and you will get nether essences."

Oh, that's right, you can't, because he didn't. Here's what ohmikegod's astute reading of a basic table said:


Shockingly enough, he's right. I guess that would make you... wrong? Yeah, that's the one. Wrong.


Who knows that? There's only one person in the thread who made that claim and it wasn't ohmikegod. Might want to check your math on that one.

Furthermore, armor around the level 46 (lower in the 46-50 range) does in fact drop off of 46-50 mobs. Apparently not Stonemaul ogres though. Perhaps you could have looked that up in the database here and checked their loot table, saving you a lot of time.
Oh, that's right, you can't read tables.

Edited, Jan 21st 2008 10:02pm by Placeholder

In either case, this is really not the appropriate forum for this, which I am pretty sure the OP is well aware of. Therefore, I am moving it to the main forum and letting the karma system work as designed.

This and the other topic just made me go "omg, what a clueless guy...".
So, here you go, an enchant guide till 300. If with that you can't get it, shoot yourself on the belly and die painfully:

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13121383&pageNo=1&sid=1#9

This needed a separate thread because...? Honestly, it should have been a reply in the original thread or a PM to Mike, but you were trying to score brownie points by making him look foolish. Instead, it makes you look petulant. In fact, in the original thread you quoted above, you got smartmouthed before he became "hostile":

Not "Thanks for the link, but that's not what I'm looking for", but "Big help". What do you expect after that little witticism? Pleasantry? Mike's not a bad guy, but he doesn't tolerate stupidity, laziness or attitude. He's not known as the forum curmudgeon for nothing.

As for calling him out, I don't see what you're calling him out on. He told you where to find information on where to go to get items to DE, and he gave you a link showing item levels and the disenchanted materials they break down into. He didn't say zones, because all you need to do in this case is either see if you can buy the items on the AH and DE for profit (if an item costs 3 gold, but DEs into 5 gold in mats, you profit), or you can try for yourself to find the relevant zones.

For your enlightenment, mobs rarely drop items of their own level (for example, lvl 58 furbolgs in Winterspring usually dropped ~lvl 54 items. Thus, loooking for lvl 60 items, you might try Hellfire Peninsula or Zangarmarsh. You could also try some of the Azeroth instances, but for the most part, the world mobs won't drop anything higher than a lvl 58 or 59 item outside of instances. If you look to your left, you'll see a link that says Zones by Level that will show you what the level ranges for each area are- and presumably, the level of the mobs in that level. You said in your original thread that you did a lot of research. In that case, you could have deducted it yourself.

It didn't take me long to do some simple deductions based on what you said and figure out that you should probably try zones that are at the top level range of the item in the tables you wanted. In most cases, world mobs drop items randomly- unless you target Elites specifically, AFAIK mobs don't really have much difference in world Uncommon, Rare or Epic drops. Thus, you'd probably have as much luck getting drops in EPL as Silithus. The Twilight set that drop from the Twilight's Hammer mobs in Silithus drop quite frequently. They were once DEable, IIRC- but they fixed that a long time ago. You can get a lot of green items that you can't DE in Silithus.

I note that you've added a lot more information that nobody would have known from the original thread you linked- from your post, I would have considered Mike's original response more than adequate. Your followup thread here gives much more information, and informs the readers how much research you did. If you'd put that in your original thread, people would have realised you needed more than that table. However, you still neglect to tell us if you were objective in your research. Did you spend the same amount of time in each area? Did you count the number of mobs? Did you try different mob types? Did you make sure you had a good sample from each, or did you kill 10 mobs in one spot, move on to another, kill 15 more, kill 2 or 3 along the road, etc.? The more information you give from the outset, the better prepared someone can be to give helpful information. You knew what you had done and what you were looking for in the original thread, but nobody else could have.

So, in short, give as much information as possible in future when looking for feedback, lose the attitude and try thanking people for trying to help (as others in the thread did), and don't make new threads to "call people out"- especially when he didn't do anything wrong.

Edited for clarity.


Edited, Jan 22nd 2008 8:37am by Wondroustremor

Mmm... delicious irony.

I didn't pick up enchanting until i was 55+ (i think closer to 60, I'm pretty certain I remember being in Outlands beforehand) so you know what I did? I didn't research all this mumbo jumbo about area levels and drop rates, I looked at a table like the Wowwiki one and said to myself "hmm, what instances are of these levels that I can solo?" And that's what I did. Instances have plenty of green drops, and do you know what I did once I wasn't able to solo them? I grabbed a friend, or two if need be. As getting my enchanting up was also good for them, they were more than willing to help.

I don't get why you couldn't have used just some basic logic on this matter. Instances generally drop greens in a shorter amount of time than the outer world. So grind those. Or if you have another crafting profession (I have tailoring) just disenchant stuff you can make with ease.

I think you've probably wasted more time arguing over this than actually farming for essences.

I think they 'fixed' that a few months back and now it seems like mobs drop items that are only about 3-5 levels below them.

The exception is in instances where the boss drops are the same level as they've always been so many boss drops are in the 5-8 levels below unless they actually lowered the level of the boss in which case the item could be the same level or even higher than the boss that dropped it. I noticed that in WC not long ago when I got a drop that was about 3 levels higher than the boss because the boss was at least 5 levels lower than he used to be.

I can't believe no-one's said this yet. I guess I'll do the honours.

QQ more.

Here, I've got some spare angry pills for you - you seem to not have enough of your own.

Seriously - I've read the other thread, I've read this one.

You, sir, would have to be one of the rudest people I've ever had the displeasure of reading diatribe from.

Mike proided you with quite a good lot of information - had you taken the time to stop, and examine it properly, IMHO. Then again, that's my opinion, and you have the right to disagree.

You do not have the right to be so rude about it.

I, for one, am horrified that your posts, and direct attacks, remain on these forums - I would have thought, by now, that the Administrators here would have seen fit to remove your posts... right along with your user account, and perma-ban on your IP address.