Leveling up to 80 later really does suck. (was forum=69)Follow

Not only is it much harder this time around to get groups since I'm going as DPS instead of heals/tank, but people are requiring extremely high DPS to get into any kind of raids. Its almost impossible with anything under 2k DPS to get into any raid. I've even seen 2.5k DPS requirements for 25 man VoA/OS. I've healed both with only the top 3 DPS breaking that without wipes or even the slightest bit of trouble.

As times goes on, will these requirements increase you think? I'm scared to think people won't take new players under 2.5k DPS one day to 10 man Naxx for fear of wiping. ><

Edited, Jun 17th 2009 12:51am by baveux

Sure thing.

Not everyone's as awesome as you bodhi, they had to dumb it down for the lesser folk.

Hey just be glad they are asking for DPS output, not gear.

Back in BC it was always a flat requirement for something such as T5 or equivalent. Now with a DPS requirement, you could have good blues and know what you are doing and still fulfill your requirement.

If you are knowledgeable about your class and the fights you will be fine, just go and tell them you can meet it. You should be able to, if not well... fail.

Actually, no.

I was in Orgrimmar the other day and I saw not one, but three different group shouts that *required* you to link your "Epic" achievement to get into 25-man VoA.

They didn't care how good/skilled you are, they didn't care about your performance or what type of numbers you throw out, all they cared was about you having iLvl200+ gear in every stinking slot.

*rolls eyes*

That, and I've been seeing Heroic dungeon groups.... yes, just Heroics, *requiring* Naxx10 at the least.

I'm sitting here thinking "How the f--- am I supposed to gear up, when Heroics are what I should be doing TO gear up, but yet I don't have enough gear for their wants?"

Everyone wants Achievements and Hard Modes nowadays... but yet, I just want Emblems and drops...

Meh.

Just like TBC -- The First who hit Lv80 get into Raiding, those who couldn't hit 80 with the rest of the pack, are stuck behind everyone else and can't catch up.

If you're not a healer, there's no way you'd do this within a week, unless you had guildies to carry you, for you.

Anybody will bring a healer, even if they are slightly under par.

DPS? They are a dime-a-dozen, so they know they can be _quite_ picky.

Tanks? You will outright die if you're not geared...

Personally I wouldn't even try to get into a raid if I was under 2k dps. With a couple of crafted epics and mostly blues it's not that hard to get near 2k dps when you first step into heroics.

It's true - There are some DPS snobs out there. Frankly - If you are doing >1300 you are cool for Heroics. >2k is more than enough for starting raids. >2500 is good for starting heavy raiding.... Generally you want 3000 or more for Ulduar



If you are doing something close to that - you are ok....

Oh come on. Ulduar is pretty at least, no?

I haven't even done OS with one drake up yet, but at the same time I only PuG raids anymore.



Been there, done that. My pally is sitting in a lot of Naxx 10/25 man healing/tanking gear from doing exactly this. I simply didn't want to play him anymore since I would get daily requests to heal this and tank that, so I made a DK to bring up to 80 as DPS(on alliance side too).



Getting 7-8 IL213 epics in a week isn't easy, its luck.



I'm not saying 2k is hard to hit(pulled 2.95k DPS on Sarth 25 man today in pretty crap gear. /flex), I'm just saying that the requirements to get into any kind of entry level raid is going up, making it difficult get into. In all reality, some of these raids are pretty darn easy.

Thinking about it, I kind of find it funny that even though Blizz made raiding easy, the players are the ones setting the bar higher and higher.

Those are some seriously low numbers.
I do 1400 dps in instances at lvl 73 as BM spec with a tank pet (bear).


I'd say do close to 2k dps for heroics, 2.5k+ for raids, 3k+ for naxx25/ulduar10 and 3.5k+ for ulduar25.
Which, you know, isn't very hard to do.

For VoA(emalon, since archavon is literally not even measured for its that easy), a thing that sucks is 2.5k is actully kind of competitive for melees, but it aint no thing for ranged DPS. That fight is so ranged biased its not even funny. switch targets? Do you want a ranged who just stands and tabs or a melee who has to turn around and run across the room and starts doing damage at 5 stacks? For the AoE unf unf? Yeah.

Edited, WTF Mazra 23k posts? Really? REALLY?

Edited, Jun 18th 2009 3:13am by digitalcraft

My level 71 warlock is in the 1100-1200 DPS range, but in the couple instances I ran, the other DPS was around 4-600.

1000-1500 DPS for level 80 normal instances (learn your ability priorities / rotation)
1500-2000 DPS for heroics (AH / crafted / 78-80 instance drops + good rotation)
2000-2500 DPS for entry raids, depending on the fight. More for gimmick fights like Loatheb and Thadius.

No joke, Naxx 25 pug the other night. We had 4 DPS over 5k on Taddius, 1-2 people between 3 and 4k, 1-2 more between 2500 and 3k, and a LOT of people below 2500. I was over 3300 as the TANK. Needless to say, we hit the enrage timer every time. Rather than boot the people that couldn't even do heroic-level DPS, the raid leader kept screaming at people that weren't running far enough around Thaddius and "killing" people. Never mind you don't get the first polarity damage until 6 seconds after polarity shift.

As for gear checks on heroics, most of the people in my guild run heroics for BoA gear for our alts. We can steamroll most of the instance and maybe stop to drink once or twice. When you can clear a heroic with the right people in 30-40 minutes, it's kinda boring to take over an hour for the same instance. I had a warrior tank totally nerdrage at the healer for getting healing aggro on an AoE pull. I tried to ask politely for him to just DPS and let me tank, but he just kept yelling at the healer until finally the healer apologized to me and the other DPS and left.

At 77 on my rogue, I'm currently around 1400 dps. Then again, I had just switched to Mutilate not too long ago after being combat since she was 10. I've told groups that I'm still learning a rotation and whatnot, and slowly but surely but dps is getting higher.

I figured, that if I'm planning on raiding with her when I'm 80, I should start getting a rotation down now, that way it won't be as difficult to find groups for heroics later.

But I do have to say that Baveux has a point, in a sense. People aren't really asking for a specific dps number on our server, but the fact that it's difficult to find groups for higher level regular dungeons, period. So far, in the past two weeks, I've been in about 4 groups for dungeons (being in LFG trying to find one every day), 2 of which went well and smoothe. The other two failed and broke up.

It's moreso irritating than anything, in my opinion. My shammy did have an easier time since she was resto, sad that it's so hard as dps.