Forum Settings
       
1 2 3 Next »
Reply To Thread

Game OverFollow

#52 Jan 16 2004 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
**
595 posts
wyldewulf wrote:
i since learned what a Flame is and actively sought out how it applied to message boards. Its called learning.


So you learned how to flame. From my perspective it seemed innate.

As your next project of intellectual development, please consider investing some time learning to present germane, coherent arguments that don’t invoke detractive namecalling, misrepresentation of rival positions, and sophomoric attempts at character assassination in lieu of substantive refutation. It’s like we’re not even having the same conversation. I criticized one of the most abundantly fallacious arguments in this thread, and that which you had to say in response that resembled a rebuttal has since digressed into a complete abandon of cogent refutation. I’m not interested in engaging in a personal diatribe as much as confirming my original assertions, but you sure make it tempting by providing so much fodder.

My point this time? Your concession shows through the hostile veil, and I hope that you recognize that as readily as anyone else taking the time to read this thread.
#53 Jan 16 2004 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
*
175 posts
Don't feed the troll. =)
#54 Jan 16 2004 at 1:47 PM Rating: Default
Jezusjunior EATS @SS...hows that for a Re-BUTT-al.
You are such a lo$er, tell your little sister to stop helping you post, you think this is good will hunting or something? and now im a troll, LOL. Enjoy quoting me on that one. How you like them apples?

Oh and to everyone else i am sorry it came to this, but its pathetic when people like Jezus have to use use large words to make up for their lack of creativity or ability to respond well to a post. Hate to see how long it took him to look up all those words with his thesaurus just to type this post...poor guy.

Edited, Fri Jan 16 13:53:53 2004 by wyldewulf
#55 Jan 16 2004 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
*
230 posts
Varus,
You are right I don't know this happened. I was not there. I have seen no logs or screen shots but as no one has ever been named for it, no one's reputation has actually been hurt.

As for being about you, well when you compared anyone that would stop this sort of behavior to a "****" that pretty much made my post about you. Yes, this may never have happened but since many of us have accepted it as having happened (remember everyone involved in this alleged event is anonymous) defending the rights for people to threaten and harrass others in this manner is going bring attention to you.

What I find as offensive of the idea that anyone acted like this to someone else is that people can sit here and defend such actions.

I would much rather see someone call the poster out for this and tell him to prove it than try to trivialised what is "meant to have happened.
#56 Jan 16 2004 at 3:10 PM Rating: Default
Fel,

I understand ideas like free thought might be foreign to you but words like freedom actually mean something to some of us, even if it is an illusion.

Half the movies and media we are inundated with include extreme amounts of sex and violence yet people still choose to watch the program and buy the sponsors products. Should we hold the sponsors liable if they create a program that promotes violence and then someone who has viewed that program commits a "real" crime accountable?

Oh wait I've got a better idea lets not let anyone say anything that's out of the scope of the think right mentality.

Many of these statements you would censure are merely expressions of ones current emotional state.

And yes I equate censoring speech with *****, or do you think burning books is a good thing?

Varrus

Edited, Fri Jan 16 15:17:01 2004 by varrus
#57 Jan 17 2004 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
*
230 posts
Of course, I'm wrong and I am infringing on peoples basic human rights to suggest that they shouldn't threaten, harrass or abuse others..Just call me Adolf.

So the victim has no rights? She should have used ignore then mentally erased all the crap that was on the screen before she finished /addignore'ing all their names. Wait! What am I saying? This is an online game and she should have known what sort of people end up playing these things. It's her fault, totally.
Good job she left, she should be banned, making normal decent people act that way...Why did she wear that skirt anyway, huh?

I can only hope that you are working on the assumption that what was reported to have happened is over exagerrated and all that was said was along the lines of "we're all gonna 0wn your ***" because I am not and if you are taking the orignal poster at his word and are still defending their rights to do this, well, words fail me. If that is the case I hope one day you get to see this sort of abuse and that you realise this kind of behavior does not fall under the arguement for Freedom of Speech.
#58 Jan 23 2004 at 6:23 AM Rating: Decent
umm, this is going to be 100% flame.

wulf, honestly, do you live in the real world? Yes, you are a troll, so return to the bridge in which you live under. Consensus does not dictate reality, or have you never heard of something called politics? You should stop posting because you bring the IQ of everyone on this forum down a couple points every time you spew that mindless chatter of yours.

Grow up.
#59 Jan 23 2004 at 11:02 AM Rating: Default
Fel,

Anyone who goes on and on about victims rights makes me cringe. Once you've had to spend an exorbitant amount of money defending yourself in mulitple lawsuits from ex-employees that know you're doing well and want a piece of the action so they trump up charges get an attorney and I settle because it ends up costing less to settle than to take the case to trial and then take a chance that the jury doesn't hate me because I'm succesfull and have what they want tell me something.

You make me sick!!! I've already said your speech can't deprive someone of their basic rights. However, If I think a girl is acting like a bit*h and I call her one am I violating her rights, and where do you draw the line? I guess that whole freedom of speech thing is just applicable as long as what you say is nice and fluffy. When a newb gets flamed on yeah it shows a lack of class by the flamer but you don't cancel their account, take his money, then tell him tough break. SOE is a private company and can do what they please in determining membership, as it should be.

Varrus

Edited, Fri Jan 23 11:06:41 2004 by varrus
#60 Jan 23 2004 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
*
230 posts
Message has high abuse count and will not be displayed.
#61 Jan 23 2004 at 1:09 PM Rating: Default
Fel this is your primary statement that got me going,

Maybe we should just apply it to life in
general, I should be allowed to say what I
like to whoever I want, with no
percussions...Wait, why stop with talking? I pay
my taxes I should be able to do what I want, f*ck
everyone else.

Aside from placing someone in the position that their basic rights are being violated one should be able to say what they please. Telling someone you are going to murder them is a crime you can't do that. However, SWG is a game and If I tell someone I'm going to kill them is this acceptable, considering the whole premise of SWG is war? You're taking the people that ranted on this girl as the same as them threatening her in RL only thing is it's not RL. Should they be punished? That's for SOE to decide not me.

But in RL when someone tells me what I can and can't say that does infuriate me because as a tax payer I assumed that the constitution applied to me, again this does not include violating basic rights. It just seems that you're a little quick to be the judge and jury based on heresay of a friend of a girl who thinks she was mistreated. Just a little info on women most exaggerate, are more passionate, and more sensitive than men. Hence I could say something that a women doesn't like then she blows it up and out of proportion and bam next thing I know I'm doing time for a harassment charge.

How about this one if a woman accuses a man of being the father of her child and it turns out to be untrue what happens? I can tell you nothing. So women can turn a mans world upside down without any kind of repercussion yet If I look at a good looking women the wrong way or she takes something I say out of context I can be charged and convicted of sexual harassment. I have some business associates that refuse to be alone in any office with a woman because it opens them up to a lawsuit for sexual harassment. This is where our society is and if you can't see it or havn't experienced you will if you're ever a business owner with employees to deal with. This is why I don't fall in for the whole I'm a poor woman you can't say that to me crap.

Varus

#62 Jan 23 2004 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
*
230 posts
Quote:
However, SWG is a game and If I tell someone I'm going to kill them is this acceptable, considering the whole premise of SWG is war?


Yes, as I said the game has a PvP side. You can kill each others characters so threatening to do so is hardly against the rules. OK, the rules say no threatening behaviour but I doubt any CSR would do much about a report whining "This imperial said he'd kill me" at least I hope not, anyway.

Quote:
You're taking the people that ranted on this girl as the same as them threatening her in RL only thing is it's not RL.


No, unless they were threatening her personally (rather than her character) it cannot truely be compared to it happening in RL, agreed BUT it still happened to a real person. It was still intended to offend in the most extreme way possible. She was not playing a game that enables you to rip off your opponents clothes and penetrate what ever ******* was currently available so you can't compare it to having someone threaten to kill her character.
When such a complaint comes up in "Rape Meh! - The online game" then I would agree that she should know better than to be playing it.
If they had been threatening her (and not the character) then I see no distinction between it being done on the internet to being a letter, email or phone call. I know that's a lot of ifs and buts, covered next.

Quote:
It just seems that you're a little quick to be the judge and jury based on heresay of a friend of a girl who thinks she was mistreated


Yes and I admitted in a couple of posts that my point of view was based around taking the posters word as fact but this thread was never about whether it did or didn't happen, maybe it should have been.
As far as we are aware they still are playing this game, today. I have not contributed in anyway to any punishment against them as they have never been named. If they had been THEN that arguement would hold far more water as there is no proof as to what was said. For all I know, she doesn't exist and neither do they.

Quote:
Just a little info on women most exaggerate, are more passionate, and more sensitive than men.


Actually I would say it was about even on Women-Men on the BS/exaggeration front but I totally agree on the other two. Hence I can understand her reaction to it (again, assuming it happened) not to mention that the threat of such a thing happening, IRL, is very real to any woman.
If it happened to my female entertainer they'd be reported and on ignore, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it although it might **** me off a bit that such people find that amusing. If you haven't done, make a female dancer on server and see how things go, you don't need to dance in your underwear or a revealing outfit before some numbnutt starts trying to live out his fantasies and play the game onehanded, with you the object of his affection...It really is quite sad, tbh.

Quote:
I can tell you nothing. So women can turn a mans world upside down without any kind of repercussion yet If I look at a good looking women the wrong way or she takes something I say out of context I can be charged and convicted of sexual harassment.


I don't disagree that is how it is. There are other laws that similarly biased and are similarly abused. This incident, though, is purely hypothetical now. We have had no proof of it happening, there is no name to the "victim" and no names to the "accused" so you, me or anyone else here is not actually judging anyone. From what has been said, these "players" are in game and this is likely because the people that did the reporting were no where near to report it. That no one in "earshot" actually did anything (ok, I too have trouble believing that no one would) about it and the "victim" just logged out never to return. If, however, it happened AND the victim used /report then the players in question should no longer be allowed to play this game. Of course the decision is down to SOE but I would be disappointed if they saw it any other way (if only because they don't want people like this costing them more lost subscribtions)

No I am not a business owner but I am a manager in a company and I do have staff working under me. yes I have had to deal with the conduct of some of them, in these sort of matters, before.
Nothings gone so far as to involve the law. Then again I live in the UK so law suits are not the norm.



#63 Jan 23 2004 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
Fel

You live in UK...Well you guys have a much better legal system than the U.S. As I understand it Europe and UK have a looser pay legal system. If only it were that way here maybe we wouldn't have the rampant lawsuit abuse that is prevalent.

Varus
1 2 3 Next »
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 150 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (150)