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#1 May 12 2007 at 2:57 AM Rating: Default
Title says it all, when will these forums have catergories like the rest of the games. Would definetely help as far as organization goes.
#2 May 12 2007 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't really see a point for them to do so. There's only a handful of new posts per day.
#3 May 12 2007 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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There have been a couple posts on this in the past, and i'll just repeat what was said then now.

The current forum usage doesn't require the forums to be split.

What that basically means is they will be split when there a lot of new posts per day and the forums become more active.
#4 May 12 2007 at 3:03 PM Rating: Default
i actually think that by splitting them, it will invoke more posts, just a hunch i have.
#5 May 12 2007 at 5:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, the problem really isn't in there is a lack of posts, though that does have to deal with it... the problem mainly comes from there aren't a lot of active POSTERS. So, splitting the forums will split the already small amount of posts and wont help really. Now, the two do go hand in hand though, more posters means more posts. More posts means more posters will likely come.

Well, the way I understand it from the prior threads that is.
#6 May 14 2007 at 1:32 AM Rating: Default
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What that basically means is they will be split when there a lot of new posts per day and the forums become more active.


Thats very b0rked logic, with other words, thats an air grabbed assumption.
Maybe people dont post here bc the forums arent split? :o

A lot of people i know ingame use alla to look things up, they dont post bc the forum already looks neglected and underused. FE: If they would start a thread about youre class in this main forum it would dissapear in 2 days, not get followed up on and never stickied, so why bother???

How can you say it doesnt increase traffic while you havent tried it? Its not that splitting forums costs huge amount of money, its a few database entrys, that can be deleted if it doesnt work.

Internet is a wierd place, and Tomec, if you can predict user behavior in advance on the internet you would not have been a webforum admin but filthy rich instead.

Edited, May 14th 2007 7:34am by Sjans
#7 May 14 2007 at 4:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sjans wrote:
Thats very b0rked logic, with other words, thats an air grabbed assumption.
Maybe people dont post here bc the forums arent split? :o
Why on earth not? Would they be more attracted to a Hunter only forum with two posts in it?

More forums means more splitting up of the community. I say to keep it a single forum until the situation really calls for it. The General Everquest forum did fine for seven-odd years as a catch-all for posts. Yes, there were class/race forums but they weren't available through the forum listings and were pretty much unused.

Edited, May 14th 2007 7:19am by Jophiel
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#8 May 14 2007 at 5:58 AM Rating: Good
Right now, all the traffic is funneled into this one forum so you have a better shot of getting your topic exposure then you would with, oh say one for each class and the general and one for crafting. The fact that in your example it takes two days for a topic to fall off the page tells me that right now there isn't enough traffic to expand the forums, there are other forums on this site that a topic won't last 2 hours on the front page, those game forums were split. The splits seem to be fairly slow still though compared to the main forums for those game.
#9 May 14 2007 at 6:38 AM Rating: Default
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My point is, it doesnt "cost" anything extra, and it might generate more traffic setting up a general class and trade forum. You cant prophecise in advance what will do what on the internet (im in the "sellsellsell stuff on internet business too ;)) If ive learned anything you cant assume anything on "what works" on the internet, it depends on the community and even on the moonphase. So dont, try stuff out and see if it works.
And if it fails you can merge and reverse it, its worth a shot imo.

You could start out with a general class forums that could generate threads explaining and discussing classes, i havent seen them around here on General and im on the impression those would be discussed/posted more if you had a seperate class forum, (i personally would post such threads in a class forums and not at all in general bc it gets lost in the "is my spec good enough?" fluff that seems to be "90%" of the posts) maybe Allakhazam even gets some good and free guides out of it (LOTRO guides as it is now are pretty **** poor) that can be editted/maintained.
And people dont go looking for Class discussions in a General forum especially with the windows/google generation that only read the first 5 lines of a page anyway.

The question is not about dividing traffic but how to generate more. Unless Alla is ok with the same 30 persons posting over and over again without building a larger community. If you do nothing, nothing happens. (thanks for the EQ example Jophiel ;))

As i said in my PoV: It doesnt cost more, if it works, more traffic/guides/money for Alla, and if it doesnt work, nobody got killed. (cost vs risk n stuff)

As it is now, Allakhazam is only seen (at least by my "kin") as the thottbot for LOTRO, and i dont think that's Alla's only aim.
They have a unique position for LOTRO now, MMO's are hot now, time to build on it, imo.

Edited, May 14th 2007 10:55am by Sjans
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Sjans wrote:
My point is, it doesnt "cost" anything extra
It dillutes the already fairly shallow pool of posters.
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Class forums could generate threads explaining and discussing classes, i havent seen them around here and im on the impression those would be discussed/posted more if you had a seperate class forum, (i personally would post such threads in a class forums and not at all in general bc it gets lost in the "is my spec good enough?" fluff that seems to be "90%" of the posts)
Are you talking about the LoTRO forums here? There's one thread talking about Guardian stats. There's zero chance of a thread about "playing the perfect Loremaster" getting lost or buried.
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The question is not about dividing traffic but how to generate more. UNless All is ok with the same 30 persons posting over and over again without building a larger community. If you do nothing, nothing happens. (thanks for the EQ example Jophiel ;))
Until EQ itself started to decline in population, the general EQ forum was a vibrant and thriving community owing partially (in my opinion) to the fact that it wasn't subdivided. This is just my opinion, but I've been reading and contributing to the EQ forums here since 2000 so I think I have a decent grasp on what the populations have been like over time. When Alla did create a separate "Quests" forum, it went mostly unused because people got their questing questions answered quicker in the forum where the action was -- Gen EQ.
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#11 May 14 2007 at 7:11 AM Rating: Decent
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??? EQ has seperate class forums that (were) well visited and posted on ???

And i dont know about EQ but with WoW guides to put in the guides section are generated on class / crafting forums and not on general forums.

And there is damn handy link about critical crafting components that made it into my bookmarks but fell to page 3.

My point still is, you dont know until you try, if you dont do anything, yes it will stay the same.

Edited, May 14th 2007 11:14am by Sjans
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??? EQ has seperate class forums that (were) well visited and posted on ???
No, EQ has seperate class forums which were ignored and all the action took place in Gen EQ. My point being that people are not neccessarily opposed to posting class specific queries in a general forum as you imply.

WoW has a bajillion more posters than LoTRO. I don't think you can honestly compare the forum dynamics of each.

I suppose we'll have to disagree here but I don't see any benefit to splitting up the forums right now and an obvious detriment in fracturing the population.

Edited, May 14th 2007 10:22am by Jophiel
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#13 May 14 2007 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
We never have these debates on the Vanguard forum.
#14 May 14 2007 at 7:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've been running forums for 9 years. I've experimented with various configurations and types and seen just about everything there is to see in a community. We run one of the largest forum communities on the web, so we do have an idea how they work. It is my experience that splitting the forums of a small forum community just splits up the community and leads to fewer posts and dead forums. It is better to have a single active forum than a hundred forums that rarely ever get posts. The biggest mistake small sites make when trying to establish a community is creating dozens of forums. Most posters want to see their posts answered in a reasonable amount of time, and that only happens when everyone who might potentially answer it is in the same forum. Having one forum instead of many is to your benefit. As it is now, most posts are answered within minutes or at least hours. If we were to split the forums into every conceivable configuration, you might wait days or weeks to get a response.

Because there are official Lotro forums, these forums will never be as active as the FFXI forums, where we have become the de facto official forums. And because there are not 8 million users, it will not become as active as the WoW forum either unless Lotro reaches that many users as well. Should the traffic start to warrant it, we will make the appropriate new forums.
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#15 May 14 2007 at 8:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
We never have these debates on the Vanguard forum.
Maybe if they split up the Vanguard forums, you'd have more traffic! Smiley: laugh

Speaking of, does SOE/Sigil not maintain official V:SoH general forums? I went lookin' last night and could only find official tech support forums hosted by SOE.
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#16 May 14 2007 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
We never have these debates on the Vanguard forum.
Maybe if they split up the Vanguard forums, you'd have more traffic! Smiley: laugh

Speaking of, does SOE/Sigil not maintain official V:SoH general forums? I went lookin' last night and could only find official tech support forums hosted by SOE.


There's no official forums as of yet, but with the imminent aquisition of the title by SOE, there's much speculation that an official board will pop up. I use Ten Ton Hammer, mostly, because it's a friendlier community than Silky Venom. I sort of look forward to official forums, because if nothing else it should draw the trolls and the persistent complainers with the sweet honey of the dev's presence.
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#18 Sep 01 2007 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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People...subbmit info about classes, and why not give it time? I have to agree that there is NO NEED TO SPLIT forums until there are more people...

As it stands we barely even get overflow from Lotro.com, but alot of us who do play are experienced with mutli class...so just because my main is a Champion doesnt mean I dont play a LM or a Minstrel...and I hang out with other classes...so I probably know at least a little of what you are looking for.

Other then the Class Specific quests everything is general so theres really no need to whine.
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#19 Sep 02 2007 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
I understand why Alla you would not want to split the forums into a hundred different sub forums, but why not just add a couple, guides, trade and class discussion. Just those three imo would make it a bit easier to look for information that is already posted. I'm not sure if that would increase traffic or not but it would make finding any relevant info much easier. It is my experience that on most sites the general discussion area is usually more useless banter than anything useful. So I could see others coming here and see only one area and think that it is not an active site and not worth posting, or looking thru ten pages of posts to find what you want you are looking for.
#20 Sep 05 2007 at 8:08 AM Rating: Default
One has to wonder if the main objective is to be easier on the people monotoring or the customers?

When monotoring threads it is alot easier to look at one thread then having to check several.

Just the opposite for the user. It is easier to find an answer or point you in the right direction if there are several threads catagorizing different areas of the game. The end user can find what he wants faster. You don't waste your time reading about a topic that has nothing to do with what your looking for.


It is a shame that so many good posts that have answered repetitive questions are not catagorized making it easier for the end user. I wonder if there would be a trade off of not having to reanswer repetitive questions?

More people would use these formus if they were easier to navigate and if you knew that there was reliable information readily available not (there are no recipies for this catagory)

#21 Sep 05 2007 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly, I believe the primary reason for low traffic on this forum is simply because Turbine runs their own forums that actually don't suck. Which is a departure from most MMORPG official forums.
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#22 Sep 05 2007 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
You do realize there are individual class list posts don't you?

e.g. Burglar
#23 Sep 05 2007 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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You do realize there are individual class list posts don't you?

e.g. Burglar


Problem with those is they are usually full of gibberish that will help no one any way.

I understand why people want split forums but the arguments don't hold much water. Threads don't fall off the front page very quickly so they are there to be seen for a few days. I doubt the traffic will increase because of a split and they won't get split until traffic does increase so you end up with the 2 sides at a standstill. If a split is wanted that badly, people need to get more people to come participate here and make these forums as active as the other more popular ones on the site. I myself try to direct as many of my friends as possible to here since I've always been a big supporter of Allah's through 5 games and 7 years now. This has always been my first source for info and community before looking elsewhere.
#24 Sep 09 2007 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Ironic: The last post in this thread was 4 days ago, but it was the 11th thread from the top when I checked in today.

The traffic here is really just omgtoomuch.
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