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The only problem here is SWG players dont have any unwritten rules about grouping. In most MMORPGs if you ninja loot or KS it really blackmarks your rep but here its just like expected and accepted, no one takes blacklists seriously here.

The harder AI of last chapter was much needed. I actually had fun for like 3 hours with the PvE part of SWG for the first time in 2 years, I now feel like I am playing a more traditional MMORPG where you have to take a moment and plan out your attack instead of charging in diablo 2 style like we've so been used to. And now theres reason behind PvE such as RE and BM- great.

In other MMORPGs soloing is an art form, a sport, a timesink, not some quick cheap easy path to uberness like all these self proclaimed "solo artists" of SWGs main forums claim it should be. Soloing, despite what these clowns believe, should never be a productive alternative to grouping- its done as sport. They claim to be solo artists but wince at any sign of a challenge like the new but still too easy AI of chapter 6.

You try the ninja looting, then come ask for help doing your 30 fighters or vette mission lol. But hey if you hang around in cirlces where its alowed so be it.

As for the chapter 6 ai increase, ok yeah it was needed we agree there and i've had a lot of fun with it, but im places its 2 much, i mean a 50 elite st out side the sp in mos E wipes the floor with my lvl 90 ent, thats not right, 6 of us tried the droid army, we done great till the last part and they wiped all 6 of us in seconds, come up with a tactic for that.

yea 6 of us got wiped out from the droid army which is kinda annoying...

also belive it or not 3 of us dide to the storm lord too...

i really should of done these quests b4 chapter 6....

Because in wow, grinding is the most boring thing ever, You sit there and hit whatever you fighting with the same motion everytime and it gets really, really, old.

Okay, you asked for people that left WoW and went to SWG. I went in reverse. I left SWG and went to WoW.

I want to quote an early coment in this thread.



Hello ....... Every mmorph has this including SWG especially since the NGE. This is one of the reasons I left SWG, that and being an original veteran I just wasn't enthusiastic about the NGE (and I played the NGE version for nearly 12 months). On Wow I found what I had lost in SWG. A community. I got in with a small group of people and we have a lot of fun playing and questing together. Sure it doesn't have the complexity of SWG. Sure the graphics are so cartoony. But at the end of the day it is fun and in reality that's what it should be. I mean it is a game after all.

Each game has its own plus and minus. SWG has a better player economy (which was largely wiped out by the NGE, but is still a little there)and proper player crafting. SWG has player housing and cities which is great. WoW has a better skill progression than SWG. The questing areas are much better defined for those just starting and for those who have been playing for a while. I personally think that the PvP works a lot better in WoW than it does in SWG. I rarely PvP'd in SWG but I enjoy the battlegrounds in WoW.

Before the NGE and even before the CU the answer would have been hands down that SWG was the better game. The complexity and variety of it was un-matchable by any mmorph. Equally the simplicity of WoW also makes it good.

I haven't played SWG for close to twelve months now and am thinking of re-subing just to see what changes have been made. So it is very hard to make a good comparison, but at this time I would say that WoW is the better game.

I suppose a lot of you will want to flame away now. Go ahead if that makes you feel better. It won't make any difference to me or my opinion. In fact it would just go to show that the post that I quoted does apply to SWG players as well.

Agrilok

I actually left SWG FOR WoW which is sad to say the least :( I mean WoW is a greatly polished and worked on game. Other than DAoC (another MMO) I have yet to see another MMO that runs as fast, as lag free as WoW. I loved SWG pre CU and I didn't think there was any chance of me ever wanting to leave, not even WoW. But when the NGE I hit... I didn't really have much of a choice. FFXI was too much of a group grind and I like to be able to solo when I want to. CoH/CoV has a lot of performance issues (lagging, you're screen going black) and also it's too much of a grind. Camelot was really so so I guess I just couldn't get the hang of the Mythos, that and the fact that it shows it's age and even though it runs a lot better, it just doesn't compare to WoW.

It's sad really because I really wanted to stay with SWG if only they had left it alone. But SOE had forced me to make my decision to play WoW. SOE pretty much told me and other players like me that I wasn't invited into their club if I was going to disagree with them

Edited, Nov 11th 2007 3:30pm by Tanidwen

right....if they had had a million customers, they never would have changed in teh first place.


good attempt to pull a number out of your *** though.

and ya, there suppose to try and get the people who spammed there forums saying they would never play tehre game again back, ya that would help.

You're spot on there Cloudancer. If SWG reverted back I would be one of the first to jump back in. I loved the fact that I could be a fighter and a crafter. My template before the CU was MTK/M Chef/M Artisan. This meant that I could go out and fight when I wanted to (and hold my own against almost any MOB) and I could craft when I didn't want to. And then there was space combat as well which added an exciting third dimension. It meant that there was always something to do in the game. This is what kept the interest. Not forced PvP or endless quests like legacy but the ability to so totally vary your game experience at will.

Agrilok

levels hurt crafters. As soon as levels were introduced into the game, everything became unbalanced, from creatures to professions, crafters could freely master their chosen profession, weaponcrafting or tailoring etc, and still be able to have a mastery of an elite combat profession, but even if you didnt master an elite profession, in terms of combat, you could still be a useful member of the group, or solo, i still think that pre-nge, there was more excitement in venturing out into the wilds than afterwards, even now, mobs are mostly harmless, as soon as you see the level is greyed out on a creature, you know it cannot harm you, before, when there were no levels, every creature you encountered was possibly dangerous, most were, and venturing too near squills on your own was suicidal, unless you were a Ranger :D
how many crafters also had a few scout abilities so that they could mask scent, or/and have the terrain negotiation bonus, remember when walking up hills was a good deal slower, now we sprint up the things as though they werent there. Travelling across country has no consequence, but i preferred it when it did, i also remember sitting on a hill near anchorhead and watching the rebels chasing some imps across the countryside, until someone turned up with an at-st, those things were lethal. even though the game wasnt as focused on the GCW as it is now, i still think that pre-cu was the time when the GCW was at its highest.

You could try another server, one with perhaps more population.

the highest, last check that is, populated server was Bloodfin, closely followed by Bria and Ahazi, for the eurozone, it has to be Chimaera.

SWG has improved a lot, but it is more of a niche game now than ever before, unfortunately, which is why its best to find existing guilds etc, rather than hope for a mythical server repopulation. i still think the single best thing that SOE could do for the game, would be to give the players 2 free server moves, which would allow most players to get their most faved char's onto a decently populated server.

on the WOW front however, expect a lot more players to shift back to WOW when the ROTLK is released, Blizzard are exceedingly good when it comes to adding content to their games.

I know what you mean, im not a particularly fast leveller in WOW either, on that side at least, SWG was, a lot faster on the levelling side, there is a legacy quest which should take you through to level 50, and there are enough things to do now to enable you to reach level 90 without trying too hard :D

for a new player, Jedi probably are among the easiest to play, not that i really think of any of them as being all that difficult - unless you choose to be a trader that is :D

If you have the time, and manage to get it to work ;D
its a good idea to try the 14 day trial. it'll give you a fair idea of what your letting yourself in for.