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#1 Jun 26 2007 at 7:44 AM Rating: Sub-Default
Usually I like Allakhazam's web site to find out more information when I get stuck on a quest, deciding what attributes to enable my toon with, mob/equipment/recipies etc.. but I would have to say alot of things are dissapointing this time around.

I know the game is fairly new, but sorting quests by each small zone withing the main zone is nice however, list all the main towns or areas (Bree, Shire, Lone-Lands ect..)then show us the quest in that zone. Use sub catagories to list the quests by areas within each zone if you like.

Listing each small area withing the main zones is annoying. I'm spending alot of time opening up a window to discover "no quest in this zone". I just want to see what quests are available in the main zone not each little subzone within.

When you look up zones by class they are all lumped together, at least seperate the classes.

On deciding what profession to take up does anyone know if there is a list of recipies showing what the recipie makes. (ie end item Copper ring +8 moral)

Wikipedia suprised me with there listings of deeds available in each zone showing the reward.

I have found a few sites with dynamic mapping that came in handy to locate points on the map for markers to complete deeds within a zone.

Still searching for a decent tradeskill site.
#2 Jun 26 2007 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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You realize most of the info on alla, if not all of it, is user submitted? So you could help by submitting some info Smiley: wink Most of us tend to be too busy playing to submit stuff >.> Oh and I've yet to run into a quest that I needed a website to finish.... no offense but the info given does a fairly decent job of telling you where to go.
#3REDACTED, Posted: Jun 26 2007 at 10:21 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hats off your a pro. How did you find all the locations of all the points on the map to complete your deeds in all the zones? I really don't want to wonder around in the Old Forest to locate all the flowers. Without guidence I'd still be looking for all the treasure chests to complete the Lore-Master quest.
#4 Jun 26 2007 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually a guide of the flower in the old forest guide would be worthless everytime there's new content added, because the Dev's like to actually change the paths around that zone from time to time (Like in the books O_o) And give the site some time, its only been what 1 1/2 months? It'll catch up on the info, most of us are now past the OMGWTFIGOTTAGRINDSOMELEVELS! and will go back with alts and fill in the blanks.
#5 Jun 26 2007 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm in agreemant with Dru here, even in the short time the game has been out they have indeed changed some layouts of things. So until the game becomes more stable (like they wont change or remove content) it would be more work then necessary to post the content. And for the lazy people...there IS a guide already for the location of the flowers in the old forest...try using the search bar mm'kay.

FLOWER LINKY Zomg its even a dynamic map when you click on the flower name...WTF do you want our blood next?
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#6 Jun 26 2007 at 11:45 AM Rating: Default
I agree with kagak. I think it would be more straightforward if quests were merely listed by main zones, as on Allakhazam's WOW site.
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#7REDACTED, Posted: Jun 26 2007 at 11:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Your missing the point.
#8 Jun 26 2007 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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Listing each small area withing the main zones is annoying. I'm spending alot of time opening up a window to discover "no quest in this zone". I just want to see what quests are available in the main zone not each little subzone within.


You mean like this for the Shire? You can just click on the zone name to see all quests for the zone Smiley: wink

And the reason the crafting stuff is still empty is because its been going through some MAJOR updates as of late. Soon as its stabalized I'm sure they'll get the information added.

Edited, Jun 26th 2007 2:59pm by Drulian
#9REDACTED, Posted: Jun 26 2007 at 12:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Thanks for backing up my point!!! Phaeton (Eldar 10 Hunter).
#10 Jun 26 2007 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
Thanks Drulian,

I realized what I was doing once you posted the link to Shire quests. I was clicking on the wrong link. Now, I know you must click on the Heading of the zone (SHIRE)to get what I was looking for.


Thanks again Drulian. See it proves a point that some of us need more direction.
#11 Jun 26 2007 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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And dont forget...that if the info isnt there...thats because it hasn't been submitted!! since Lotr is a server based game theres really no chance of there being a lotrobuilder.exe so ALL of the information...every little detail...has to be entered by hand. Thats alot of work. Not to mention quest write ups...locations of mobs/npcs...and as Dru stated some of us are having more fun just playing through the game for the FIRST time...

Anyway thats not ******** (I know it sounds like it...I'm good at sounding like a *****), but now is your chance to make yourself popular on Allakhazam.com , if you see a quest not listed...or know the locations on things that should be here take a look at the Submission Guide or submit the info to LotroTeam@Allakhazam.com
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#12 Jun 26 2007 at 1:14 PM Rating: Default
Thanks Drulian I was clicking on the wrong links. I did not know to click on he (Shire. That is exactly what I was looking for.


It proves a point. Some of us need a little more direction to travel down the same road.
#13 Jun 26 2007 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
I can't re-iterate enough how much work it takes to actually write the html, java and php for the databases and pages that get complained about. Even if you use a basic page design and basic frames then copy/fill with Dreamweaver, ColdFusion etc etc, there is still a ton of work to do on every single page. You have to continually update the links, verify they work, verify the data in relation to the game and make sure that the html works in the myriad browsers used today - like IE, Firefox, Netscape and Opera to name a few. And verify that the code itself won't generate errors when it calls to other parts of code. And they do this for how many games? And do they charge you for this programming anything other than an annual membership fee? I don't think so.

As someone who maintains my own site and doesn't do anything with php or java, I can only say hats off to the ppl who actually have the patience to put up with complaints about the content not being suitable to a specific taste yet still manage to keep updates regular, bugs fixed in reasonable time frames and the patience to deal with whining.

And frankly, after using the site since the days of EQ as well, I can't say as I've had any problems with it myself but I am not afraid to go clicking around and attempt to figure it out on my own before asking for help. I don't feel the need to take the people who run the site to task for not being able to read my mind and cater to my whims or design their site to suit my specific needs.

And yes, I am ******** a little, sorry. It just gets really tired having people ***** and moan about how a fan run site that isn't affiliated with a game but tries to provide helpful details about said game gets jumped on cause they aren't "just so". If you don't like it, submit your ideas through the link Dyadem posted, submit your idea of what the code should look like through the link Dyadem posted, submit some game details through the link Dyadem posted, like the quests you have such an issue with finding or provide ideas in a constructive manner via the submissions link that Dyadem posted. Ffs, there is a thread detailing this in this forum already on how to do just that. Go read it. If you aren't willing to do that, then quite frankly, you will simply have to live with the format they are using or find another site. I don't submit much so I don't feel I contribute enough to warrant whining about how the site doesn't look how I might like it. Apparently, others don't have that problem.
#14 Jun 26 2007 at 3:10 PM Rating: Default
So no one that works at Allakhazam is paid, it is all volunter work program, and the pop ups and advertizing goes to a secret fund or given back to the government to help pay down the national debt??
#15REDACTED, Posted: Jun 26 2007 at 3:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Criticising is winning, stand in line and don't complain. Unless you walk in my shoes keep quiet.
#16 Jun 26 2007 at 3:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Let's start by showing you some things you obviously can't find on your own, we will deal with why later for a possible change.

Deed: Flowers of the Old Forest you can click any flower and get a location on the map, a couple have actual walking directions. There is also a link to a complete map that shows all the flowers marked.

Zones by class? I am not sure what you mean here. Our zones and areas which is sortable by alpha or type

Several of your questions pertain to recipies, our tradeskills section is still under construction. You need to keep in mind we couldn't make a site for the game until we got into beta...

Trophies by mastery and special, also still under construction.

Just as we do all sites, the user must help us, you can't expect us to go get all this info ourselves and have no life. It's a partnership, you and us. I am sure I missed something, but I am tired, and will prob need a refresher... too bad I don't drink!
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#17 Jun 26 2007 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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These are really good suggestions. If possible, can you post them in the feedback forum so they're easy for the staff to get to?
#18 Jun 26 2007 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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If alla is missing something you need, why not try out Turbine's LoreBook? I haven't personally used it, but I've heard good things about it.
#19 Jun 26 2007 at 3:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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I knew I forgot!

I have zillions of ideas playing ping pong in my brain, a few I have passed along to a programmer. Just know we are ALWAYS doing stuff to improve the site and have several goodies planned for you.

And I will just link the dev here that I am going to harass daily until I get my way! Smiley: wink2
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#20 Jun 26 2007 at 3:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Drulian, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
If alla is missing something you need, why not try out Turbine's LoreBook? I haven't personally used it, but I've heard good things about it.


/kicks Dru

Stop that! We want to keep him!!!!111oneeleventyone!!!11
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#21 Jun 26 2007 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Owwwwwwwwww Smiley: cry and here I was gonna ask if there was anything I could do to help out...
#22 Jun 26 2007 at 4:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes there is, get tradeskill info Smiley: sly
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#23 Jun 26 2007 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok I have a Jeweler, Woodworker and my new explorer dude, what do you need.
#24REDACTED, Posted: Jun 26 2007 at 4:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Allakhazam is a big company with lots of $$. This isn't a small time operation depending on player contrubution. They get pd because millions of people visit these sites to get information on a game they are playing.
#25 Jun 26 2007 at 4:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Drulian, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Ok I have a Jeweler, Woodworker and my new explorer dude, what do you need.


Oh anything, I don't think we have a jeweler or woodworker on staff and Dyadem, he's so uppity, hehe. If you have mastered and have any tips or tricks, or want to submit a guide, that would be wonderful.

Once the recipe db is finished, we will def want your comments on what more to add. I actually do not remember what everyone here has for their trades! OMG alzheimers!
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#26 Jun 26 2007 at 5:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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So no one that works at Allakhazam is paid, it is all volunter work program, and the pop ups and advertizing goes to a secret fund or given back to the government to help pay down the national debt??


You mentioned in a later post then the one I quoted that the site receives over 500 million page views a month. Do you have any idea what bandwith costs? The more traffic a site receives, the more it costs, not too mention this site doesn't have an overwhelming staff, they deal with inputting our submissions, keeping the site up and running and dealing with whiners like yourself. That's where the money goes.

As has been stated before, if you don't see something you need, you need to be patient, look harder or find it out for yourself and submit the info to the site. I have yet to see you post anything really constructive, so far it has all been complaints about the site.
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