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WELL DONE SOE. TOTAL NERF AT LAST!!Follow

#1 Jan 23 2008 at 8:44 AM Rating: Default
Congratulations must go to the SOE devs for completely nerfing SWG and royaly shafting loyal customers. NGE was bad enough but this collection poodoo (Blatantly nicked from City Of Heroes/Villains) and the "Heroic" Encounters are the final insult for me. The subs I've paid and the time I've put in deserve better than this. I usually berate people for moaning about the game, why play if it's so bad? CL90 means nothing now. Gold Elites? For the love of The Force!! Everything worth doing is group based, what's Heroic about that? As I say, final insult. Bring on the KOTOR MMORPG, and hopefully Bioware will treat their customers with a bit more respect. Good luck to those who remain!!
#2 Jan 23 2008 at 9:59 AM Rating: Default
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yay another moron, ya they sure nerfed the game, actually made it somewhat challenging, how dare they make it not easily soloable! and new content? the bastatrds!


oh, and EQ2 has had collections for a long time, dont like it? dont do it, no one cares if you leave.

and good luck with a kotor mmo, in which bioware would probably have nothing to do with, and lucasarts would prolly make crap anyway.
#3 Jan 23 2008 at 2:07 PM Rating: Default
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F-Tard
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#4 Jan 23 2008 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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WAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I got no friends nerf them that do WAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAA!
#5 Jan 23 2008 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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.... i really dont know where the guys coming from, the game really is improving. The original NGE is practically nonexistent now, in that sense the NGE has been nerfed, but SWG however, is anything but, each chapter is gradually bringing more and better things into the game, i just wish they'd hurry them along a bit more :D
even if the guy is a pre-cu type, the current changes would have improved that version too, adding more content has been something the game has been crying out for, for years now, in whatever version you choose, it was the one thing that was lacking more than anything else, its a bit late now, but at least their finally getting around to it. And whats so bad about creating group orientated content, its not like no other MMO out there doesnt do the same out there, love it or hate it, WOW has group based content too, and its one of the most successful games in the world. There is a point too, CL90 didnt seem to mean much, and the endgame seemed to comprise solely of PVP grinding, Now at least there is more high level PVE content, which to me, means the whole thing is a complete opposite of Nerf... Azrielis, you got it wrong, what you should have said was ... R-Tard ... :D
#6 Jan 23 2008 at 11:48 PM Rating: Default
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How about Pre-Tard
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#7 Jan 25 2008 at 6:19 AM Rating: Default
yeah? **** the lot of you. I'm entitled to an opinion after the amount of time and money I've put in.
#8 Jan 25 2008 at 6:21 AM Rating: Default
well done 9x vette killer. killed more than that, just don't boast about it...no need. what a tool
#9 Jan 25 2008 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
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Couple of points...

For a loyal customer, why all the shock and suprise about things that have been ingame for a a while now? i mean a loyal customer would make people assume that you actually if not subscribed kept up with the updates.

Obviously you cant remember that before the nge gold elites where also somewhat challenging?

BTW, the KOTOR mmo... rumours are that instead of KOTOR its tied to the time period of the new tv series... so thats between episode III and IV. Wouldnt that make far more sense, knowing mr lucas's love of merchandising and the fact one would supplement the other... and the potential to kickstart the franchise again.

9x vette killer... All that means is the person has mastered all 9 factioned squadrens. Not the actual amount of vettes theyve killed.

So thankyou for your opinion, youve said your piece. If you truly have to say more on the subject your at the wrong place. I recommend the official SOE SWG forums. You'll find people on there that share your opinion and are willing to discuss it at length.

I recommend trying the "game play discussion" forums as you will find your questions replied to many times over. To the point a great debate may spring from them. Who knows the devs actually may be listening. Theyre known to read the forums to gauge what players thoughts are and regularly seek input from players.

Good luck. (heres the address to help you in your quest)

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/forums/show.m?forum_id=4102
#10 Jan 26 2008 at 7:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Ammount of money you put in? Dude....you think YOUR opinion is really going to matter? Some might think so.......but going by history of SOE....it doesn't. It's a $15 dollar monthly fee....I'll give you that you have spent that money to play...but only a masicist plays something he doesn't like. Move on and forget about it and go play KOTOR and leave this forum alone. You want help....ask for help....you wanna *****....save that for the offical forums. I'm tired of Vets that come back and are suprised on how much the game has changed or the don't like the changes that have been made. Well.....it goes back to the choice thing....you can pay or not.....you don't HAVE to pay for it if you don't like it....I believe that is a consumers right isn't it? Also...I have one question.....why does everyone resort to attempting to swear at someone on a forum when they read something they don't like...it's really lame and shows you have no grasp of the english language. You can get your point accoss with TRYING to swear. So in short....move on dude....have fun...not spend time ******** about what you don't like....it's a game...not life.
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#11 Jan 26 2008 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Jan 26th 2008 5:41pm by Azrielis
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#12 Jan 27 2008 at 1:19 AM Rating: Decent
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.... i will say one thing, if i'd managed to complete all the different squadrons in space, which i havent, not even one of them, all the way at least, but if i had, then i'd be proud of that fact too, its not something a lot of people can say, and its also in keeping with the game too, i mean, what are all the different badges about if not to be able to show off to others the things you've accomplished, so, anyone who has accomplished something fair play to them, they've earned the right to the titles etc, it certainly doesnt make them a tool.
#13 Jan 28 2008 at 7:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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kumio wrote:
well done 9x vette killer. killed more than that, just don't boast about it...no need. what a tool


FYI It more a sign that i have completed all 9 squadrens not my total vette kill count which by now would be considerably higher.

I have in fact Killed many many more than that, in just the last week to be honest. not to mention everythign else space has to throw at me.

And your right i am a tool, but that means i have at least a use and a purpose, more than i can say for your toolless self really is it not?

Nice try thou, but if you are gonna try insult me like a 15 y/o, please try a little harder. Not that it will do you much good. We dont really go in for the forum PVP here, i beleive you were given a link to the main boards wher eyou will find many people more than happy to get in to flame fights and forum PVP with you for any reason at all. But all in all that attitude is not welcome here.

As for the time and money you have put in. Great! well done. Im a 3+ year vet my self, i also have put a lot of time and money in.

Infact when some certain changes were made i came here i shouted, i argued, i flamed, i cried, i sulked I even stamped my feet a few times. As some people here will remember. Where were you then?

Over the time here i have also defended many "pre-Whatevers" that have come here to have a bit of a whine and a moan, Again something other posters here will atest to after occationally being on the reseiving end of that defence.

But come one! what are you actually complaining about here? Your a vet, you know its been much worse.

All your OP is complaining about is the fact that you have to group to complete high end content.

Now correct me if i am wrong but SWG is sold as a MMO, IE a multi player game. Now are you so insular, friendless, stuck in some sort of basement dweller way, that you personally find it is unjust that the game requires you to comunicate with other players, even group with them to attain high level content?

Because really is that not just very sad for a player not t owant to get involved make firends blah blah blah. I mean if thats so far against what your looking for why play a monthly fee when there is far better games you can play solo on your P.C or console where you will never have to rely on other people at all. Now personally i dont think for a minute thats what you want or you would not be paying to play SWG would you?

So if you would like to engage in inteligent disscution of your veiws im sure we would like to hear them, maybe even get some sort of dialogue going.

If not ad you really are just that insular and ignorent, well feel free to continue the insults i could do with the laugh.

P.S if you really do wanna go down the latter path and get stuck for comebacks i've even left spelling and gammatical errors in for you as a get out clause.

The choise is yours.

Edited, Jan 28th 2008 3:06pm by EmjayR
#14 Jan 28 2008 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
Righto, firstly I apologise to you directly for calling you a tool and all forum users for the attempted expletive. I reacted angrily to being called a "moron" and the various derivitives of ****** that where fired at me. My OP didn't abuse any players, unlike the responses. This, however, is no excuse for my behaviour and I once again apologise. In the week since my OP I have been playing and realise that, as is stated above, that the devs have, for a change given us a diamond. I'd be interested to know if your rants, when you believed that SOE had had once again shanked a game you love, where met with the same vehemence. I posted an opinion which i have reconsidered and got abused for it. If you don't think I was read the four or five posts beneath the OP and try and see how you might feel. I don't post opinions much and will refrain from doing so in future. Again I apologise for any offence.

respectfully,
Kumio
#15 Jan 28 2008 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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getting flamed for crap you say is what the internets all about.



#16 Jan 28 2008 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Dude it's all good...I came in swinging too......went down in a ball of fire as well.

although the visuals when I spun in were almost worth trying it again.
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#17 Jan 28 2008 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
Just a couple of points on the KOTOR thing. It looks likely that it wont be ready for meta till 2011 and Bioware have been bought by Electronic Arts. Hope you're patient. Personally I'd just stick with SWG.
#18 Jan 28 2008 at 5:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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yes unfortunatly all rants like yours are met with very similar responses. Please don't take it to personally, you are but one of many that come in rant then leave, so unfortunatly people don't have much time for it to make constuctive critisums.

But on the other hand, how a person deals with such responces can show the true poster.

Such as Az, Az came in here swinging his bat, admittidly from the oppisite side to you, And was royally slapped down. But since after a couple of tries has become a welcome meaningful contributer to this community that I'm glad to call a friend.

You with your reply have also show your not what your OP made you out to be, which personally i think is a good thing.

We all at times to time lose hope and rant, you just have to deal with the tired of hearing it responces :P

And oh yes my rants and raves were met with such venom, but lucky at the time there was many more of us and at some point over the last 2 years we have found a happy medium that has found us for the most part respecting each others opinion. hell i still do it occasionally lol

Please bear in mind this is not the offical forums where posts like your op are regularly met and flamed way worse than we have here. We have chosen for the most part to abandon the main boards and create a comunity of our own here.

A community where most of us are here to assist and advise players to the best of our abilities and move away from the hostility of the main station boards, which for the most part i find unbearable. So yes we do react with furious anger and great vengance when someone brings that attitude here. Mainly because we have to to defend our little community, and if you stay you soon will do the same thing lol.

But on the other side you will never hear a read the FAQ you noob here and some one will help anyone no mater how noob the question as long as its not flame bait.

So i hope you can become another member helpful member of this community.

As for the topic of your OP. Well.....................

I agree with SOE. For the heroics we should have to team up. Since the NGE we have got used to solo play, this in my opinion has led to a degregation in the game society in general. Far to many people are only interested in themselves as what did they need anyone else for, and the community has badly suffered for it.

But where elites are concerened i have a diffrent problem, one of my main toons is an ENT who has really suffered under the incresed difficulty, at times (many cause i'm always combatant........my fault i know) i'm trapped in the SP cause a lvl 90 ent with top line armour will still get killed by a lvl 50 elite. which is embarrassing to say the least, but there we go, i suppose its my choice.

End of the day if you don't wanna group with people, and on some levels i do understand that given the average nge player, they you have to accept you cant do everything, but with a good group of friends (not many say 7) nothing is beyond you and thats how it should be.

Given that opinion i have to take it in the teeth when i get killed, how else can they make the balance, between everything being soloable and the requirement to group up and be a true mmo?

I appologise for the spelling im drunk lol.
P.S welcome to alla, home of the helpful, and damn right nasty if you mouth off :P
#19 Jan 28 2008 at 5:43 PM Rating: Decent
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holy crap, i actually read that whole thing.

i must be more ****** than i thought
#20 Jan 28 2008 at 5:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I do like solitude when I play....some aggressive music in the back....a six of red white and blue soldiers by my side and just....game.....But now....I have company....OOoooooo.....pepulz.....theres pepulz here. This I like.....People to try my gear.....poeple to drag me out of my dungeon I have built....my guilded cage of a house....I am a shipwright....I must build. Then I do the HK run.....*Shiver*.......I have a 90lvl SW rigged for a fight as best as I can...with a 60lvl Droideka(Thugdroid).....and we go stomping.....yeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!Thissss....I like! Now I know what I was missing...I like the new stuff becaues it brought pepulz back to da game......I like the stuff for shipwrights....but the company gaming is better....it tough to get solitude now....lol
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#21 Jan 28 2008 at 7:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Azrielis wrote:
I do like solitude when I play....some aggressive music in the back....a six of red white and blue soldiers by my side and just....game.....But now....I have company....OOoooooo.....pepulz.....theres pepulz here. This I like.....People to try my gear.....poeple to drag me out of my dungeon I have built....my guilded cage of a house....I am a shipwright....I must build. Then I do the HK run.....*Shiver*.......I have a 90lvl SW rigged for a fight as best as I can...with a 60lvl Droideka(Thugdroid).....and we go stomping.....yeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!Thissss....I like! Now I know what I was missing...I like the new stuff becaues it brought pepulz back to da game......I like the stuff for shipwrights....but the company gaming is better....it tough to get solitude now....lol


Ehhh?

I thought i was the drunk one??

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holy crap, i actually read that whole thing.

i must be more @#%^ed than i thought


Did it make sence thou???

And what is it with all the drunk people ITS MONDAY FFS are you all acholoics???
#22 Jan 28 2008 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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i think it made sense, and im not drunk, just ******
#23 Jan 29 2008 at 4:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Have you looked at my tag....In Chaos Is Where I Dwell.....if it doesn't make sense....thats when I have a complete understanding of the situation.................

If that makes sense?
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#24 Jan 29 2008 at 4:23 AM Rating: Decent
I understand what you'e saying about the selfishness before the heroics where introduced, and no way am I demanding that me and a battle droid should be able to secure Espa, for instance,as the scenario requires a group: and a group who know what they're doing and able to take direction at that. My experiences have not witnessed the end of selfish behaviour however. The guild 2 of my chars are in(where now. found a new home)used to be great. it was a good place for new players to come and learn how to play. now it has become sickeningly elitist, with about ten or so people at the top of the hierarchy battling between themselves for who will get to go on heroics, both pre's and finals. Obviously the answer is to get the hell out of there and I have and am now back to being happy playing. I will not run away, though I may keep my comments to advice etc. rather than my own posts for now. Lol, wounds still healing. And the noob flaming thing....yeah, don't like it on forums much and violently despise it in game. cos the noob haters wereall spat out the womb playing SWG, werent they? Anyway, I will do my upmost to make sure my verbal diahorrea doesn't spread to my finger tips and on to this forum again.
#25 Jan 29 2008 at 7:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ah i understand now it was not so much the game, but your guild that had got to you! The old i'll help you but i want your loot thing??

Perfectly understandable, glad you found the good sence to get the hell out of dodge and set up home somewhere else.

Althou you realise it would of been a diffrent OP if you had come in Shouting about the pricks in your guild lol I hate l33ts with a passion, i'd of been right with ya dude lol.

I must admit i to have wondered at the, i would like to say irony, but im sure irony the wrong word, of the heroics, Heroic. yes that does convay a picture of you against the world does it not, not you and your 7 mates against the world, thats more of an Epic don't you think?

But i suppose Epics have already been taken up, and all we got left with was kinda ironic Heroics lol

Kum we are all intitled to a rant everyonece in a while, so feel free, or do wat we do what for some noob to come in shouting and rant back at them, its strangly satisifing lol.
#26 Jan 29 2008 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Heroic is likely refering more as the one your fighting is heroic, not you, and thats why it takes more people to take them down.

at least, thats how i would take the term heroic encounters.

EDIT: oh ya, just do what i do when things get hostile, leave it in teh thread it started in.

that way, we get fights and arguments that have no effect on anything else, so unless we get another deltachief or jetsonic, then its all good

Edited, Jan 29th 2008 12:32pm by MasterOfWar
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