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#52 Feb 02 2008 at 4:25 AM Rating: Good
Some of those things looked awesome (Mario, Brass Nipples, Samus, Pikachu)

Unfortunately some of them looked like pieces of crap too. Wtf was Luigi's? Let's just not talk about Jigglypuff's.
#53 Feb 02 2008 at 5:41 AM Rating: Good
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Himmelskralle, Eater of Souls wrote:
Friar Whoads wrote:
Allegory wrote:
I do believe I have wood now.
Lucas and Ness have a very very similar final smash, and what's worse it looks very easy to dodge.


Yeah. Fun Fact: Ness's super duper spell wasn't PK Starstorm (even though he did learn it). It should be PSI Rockin' Omega. Poo was the one who had Starstorm mastered to Omega IIRC.


And, just because I feel like saying it, I think Lucario's final smash is Flash Cannon.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2008 8:41am by Whoads
#54 Feb 02 2008 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
Friar Whoads wrote:
Himmelskralle, Eater of Souls wrote:
Friar Whoads wrote:
Allegory wrote:
I do believe I have wood now.
Lucas and Ness have a very very similar final smash, and what's worse it looks very easy to dodge.


Yeah. Fun Fact: Ness's super duper spell wasn't PK Starstorm (even though he did learn it). It should be PSI Rockin' Omega. Poo was the one who had Starstorm mastered to Omega IIRC.


And, just because I feel like saying it, I think Lucario's final smash is Final Flash.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2008 8:41am by Whoads


Lucario: Now you're finished! FINAL... FLAAAAAAAASH!
#55 Feb 03 2008 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
Assist Trophies:

Andross
Barbara Bat
Ray 01
Cyborg Ninja
Devil
Excitebike
Samurai Goroh
Heririn
Hammer Brother
Jeff Andonuts
Knuckle Joe
Lakitu
Kat and Ana
Jill
Lyn
Little Mac
Metroid
Nintendog
Mr. Resetti
Isaac
Saki Amamiya
Shadow the Hedgehog
Stafy
Tanks (from Advance Wars)
Tingle
Waluigi
Dr. Wright


Should be a complete list. Isaac is the main character from Golden Sun! (I wish he was playable ; ;) As you can see there is no Geno despite his inclusion as a normal trophy, so wtf? He was the most demanded character in Japan that didn't get made into a playable character, if you didn't know.
#56 Feb 03 2008 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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sonicmonkeys wrote:
Assist Trophies:

Andross
Barbara Bat
Ray 01
Cyborg Ninja
Devil
Excitebike
Samurai Goroh
Heririn
Hammer Brother
Jeff Andonuts
Knuckle Joe
Lakitu
Kat and Ana
Jill
Lyn
Little Mac
Metroid
Nintendog
Mr. Resetti
Isaac
Saki Amamiya
Shadow the Hedgehog
Stafy
Tanks (from Advance Wars)
Tingle
Waluigi
Dr. Wright


Should be a complete list. Isaac is the main character from Golden Sun! (I wish he was playable ; ;) As you can see there is no Geno despite his inclusion as a normal trophy, so wtf? He was the most demanded character in Japan that didn't get made into a playable character, if you didn't know.


Thanks for the list! Assist trophies are a cool concept imo.
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#57 Feb 03 2008 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
FALCON PUNCH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHbDJ3lLLHs
#58 Feb 03 2008 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
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From another forum of mine:

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Just a heads up, there are people looking into the Japanese version of Brawl and checking to see what new techniques are to be found. Here's the rundown thus far.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=140981

Noir's Advance Technique/Reseach and Discussion.
Well, as some of you may know, I have my own copy of SSBBrawl in my hands.

I have been trying to find as many advances techniques, and so far I think I have been quite successful given having the game for only 2 days.

If anyone wishes to contribute, then I'd be more than happy to accept.

Here are the things I have found out so far...

Gameplay Mechanics

List of notable things
- No one can DJC
- Analog Shielding is out(Must press L/R all the way down)
- JC grabs are out
- Dash dance is very very small*
- L-canceling out*
- CCing out*
- Peach cannot float cancel
- Tripping seems entirely random (when initiating a dash)
- You cannot cancel your dash with crouch

The biggest one so far is probably

Fox Trotting and Pivoting. (not entirely new but...)

VIDEOS:
(Marth) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x8wygkxDyI
(Wolf testing) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-tBzYAaGu0

Separate thread:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=140723

This is the brawl alternative for dash dancing. You can also smash attack out of a dash.

Fox trotting is using the initial dash movement continuously to move. It is possible in Brawl.

To do so, you must wait till the end of the dashing animation, then dash again.

In Brawl, you can only do this in one direction. To change directions, you must dash dance.

Every character can dash dance, but only with the initial frames of a starting dash. Because fox trotting uses the starting dash continuously, at the beginning of each "trot", you can initiate a dash dance. You can use this dash dance to change the direction of your fox trot fluidly.

You can also cancel the initial frames of a dash(in the range of what you can dash dance) with an Up Smash, Forward Smash(both ways, shown), Forward B(both ways), Down smash, and down tilt. I'm not sure how to get a down tilt though, as it has come out randomly. Quite possibly other normals are cancelable, but the dash dance makes that impossible to hard.

You can also run one way and immediately dash attack the other way with this.

Possibly the dash dance alternative to brawl?

(a better / clearer explaination would be nice lol, I suck)

Confirmation of no L-Canceling

L-canceling does not exist in Brawl. Simply put, Lag from landing with an aerial attack is determined on what aerial you land with.

EX: Landing with Mario's Fair has decent amount of lag, but landing with a Bair gets almost no lag at all.

Landing from an aerial during it's early frames will sometimes get no lag, depending on the move(usually slow start up ones).

EX: Landing right as you being Peach's Fair will get you no lag, as opposed to landing in the middle of it. Same thing with Kirby's drill.

Confirmation of no Crouch Canceling

VIDEO:
(Marth and Sheik) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyHqbpfJ7lY

One hand I simply do marth's jab A, and in the other hand I try to CC and attack back with Dtilt.

Simply put, crouching does not cancel hit stun.

The last part of the video shows that marth's second jab stuffs the attempted Dtilt after trying to CC the first hit.

Knockback is the same if I hold down or if I don't.

Reverse Jump / Jump back towards (Naming in progress)

VIDEO:
(Utilizing Mario's Bair)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC3W_AxqxSE

Not entirely advanced, but...

Because of the new game mechanics in Brawl, you can run forward, turn around, and jump, making your character keep your forward jumping momentum while facing the other way.

Simply Run forward, then turn around and jump at the same time. Then hold the direction you were running toward.

This feels like a very important technique, as many characters have very good Back aerials, but bad or decent Neutral airs or forward airs.

This was possible in melee, but your momentum was slowed down. Not entirely "advance", but very useful.

GIF examples of jump back toward (video from me, GIFs made by Crispy4001)

Seen in the following GIFs is Toon Link running toward Ganondorf and then approaching him with multiple back airs while still moving toward the enemy.

[img]http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8709/safariscreensnapz00701ek2.gif[/img]

[img]http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8374/safariscreensnapz00901hc1.gif[/img]

Explanation Gliding / Glide Canceling

To glide, you hold the jump button after your character's second or more jump(assuming the character can glide of course).

You can control the direction of you glide with up or down, but only toward the direction of your glide. If you go up, you will gradually lose speed, but gain altitude. Vice versa for going downward(common sense, right?)

If you direct your glide straight upwards, your glide will cancel. The most downward angle of a glide is around

Any time during the glide, you can press jump to cancel it or A to attack out of it. The gliding A attack is unique and not any of the character's regular aerials.

If your character has a remaining jump after canceling gliding midair, you will be able to do another action after canceling your glide in both ways. This includes using the remaining jump(s). You cannot glide again until you touch the ground EXCEPT for Metaknight, as his up B allows him to glide again.

If your character does not have any remaining jumps after canceling a glide midair, you will enter a falling state.

If you land on the ground while gliding, you will be in a knocked down state.

To avoid this, press jump or A to cancel your glide right before you touch the ground. There will be no landing lag at all.

I feel as if I'm missing something. I'll edit it later if something comes up.

Character specifics

Ice Climbers Desync


VIDEO:
(Ice Climbers desync) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsmjtD9E2gg

Desyncing with ICs in Brawl. Simply dash dance back and forth once, then do an action. Nana should be recovering from a dash as you do an attack. Then you should be desynced.

Falco's SHL

VIDEO:
(FALCO[obviously]) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZqxOGlNErg

Falco's SHL in Brawl. You must delay it or both lasers will go overhead(second one hits ganondorf in the forehead).

Oh, also an important note, you cannot influence your aerial direction nor fastfall while shooting lasers.

Luigi's damaging taunt.

VIDEO:
(Luigi) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlHpH3QYvUY

Luigi's taunt is back. The video shows that the move has set knockback.

...

Here's a link to some cool Brawl videos including some videos of SSE and stage creator.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=141480

Also, this link leads to a torrent to all of the BGM of Brawl...All 314 of them.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=141013



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#59 Feb 06 2008 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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Inc. sh*tload of tournaments videos from Melee pro gamers, brought to you by Gimpyfish (AKA One of the best Bowser players in Melee)

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=141871

PBody Brawl tournament - DC (Marth/Sonic) vs. Brown (Fox)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB_mnh8c53M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKzV_hlPsT0

PBody Brawl tournament - Connor (Marth) vs. Psycho Midget (Snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_23SkLNsBIo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwSJt0hG4ZM

PBody Brawl tournament - J666 (Link) vs. Altoid (Lucario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuF8IFTRURA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GfExJHOgPo

PBody Brawl tournament - Gimpyfish (Bowser) vs. Nes (Peach)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUDhd3xAzuM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VKMaEqMqrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpCdCmlWqWs

PBody Brawl tournament - Lucky (Sonic/Marth) vs. Morb (Luigi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrqLkPzSKuU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_qiGCzjohY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZLh2VtVomY

PBody Brawl tournament - DEHF (Falco/Pit) vs. MrPBody (Trainer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqn-rukQvKI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u3Wu-_Px-M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvdIDhoGTtc

PBody Brawl tournament - Resident Waffle (ZSS/ vs. Brown (Fox)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JvXOnskZnE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DECm6upvzqA

PBody Brawl tournament - MrPBody (Trainer) vs. Nes (Peach)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECyzeaIOMMg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4rTycdA5U8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npmY6duxZmA

PBody Brawl tournament - Altoid (Lucario) vs. Psycho Midget (Snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc27fRtXJwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr0mNzm8bWs

PBody Brawl tournament - J666 (Link) vs. Connor (Sheik/Marth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg07kPLs4Eg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeQnJxm5n2k

PBody Brawl tournament - DC (Marth) vs. Altoid (Lucario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK-64k6afQg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ymEDwzfVQQ

PBody Brawl tournament - Lucky (Sonic) vs. Doppleganger (Sheik)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzkEVUFh6MY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnK0qTbXr6s

PBody Brawl tournament - DEHF (Pit) vs. Gimpyfish (Bowser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtzKhxebt6g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr8AyNTplcA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoTg1gwFXAA

Pbody Brawl tournament - DC (Marth) vs. J666 (Link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzgJRBEVNhI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_by2iiakOSQ

PBody Brawl tournament - Nes (Peach) vs. Lucky (Sonic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO8__ej_bAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05oROcchaTY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhnxcbJmkw

Pbody Brawl tournament - Gimpyfish vs. Morb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=140rVgPKNeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYS0rPIy95A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwBAr-C7yFk

Pbody Brawl tournament - Nes (Wario/Peach) vs. Morb (Luigi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNO4aY7vbyM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zFLinsMgiA

Pbody Brawl tournament - DEHF (Pit/Diddy) vs. Doppleganger (Sheik/Zelda)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33LTcdaA35c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Baox5gZn-eE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD3MikWWxI4

Pbody Brawl tournament - Brown (IC/Fox) vs. Psycho Midget (Snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BbSI-GuQ_c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYR3P--TgQ

Pbody Brawl tournament - DC (Marth) vs. Doppleganger (Zelda)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMdEZABB22k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnd4ubNFVyw

Pbody Brawl tournament R1 - Brown (Kirby/ROB) vs. Morb (Luigi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3snEdClsEI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I42qEHTf3xk

Pbody Brawl tournament semis - DEHF vs. Psycho Midget
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN-ZyfN16Dc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miy3C4xjQHg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ye82bABEoU

Pbody Brawl tournament - DC (Marth) vs. Morb (Luigi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDioMjhrixI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9MuhopSR88
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd0BokZct2s
I also have a bunch of friendlies to upload later, enjoy!

Gimpyfish (Ganon) vs Lucky (Captain Falcon) Money Match best of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shfk871riNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLNn6YUe2r8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAfRbi0stZY

UPDATE

J666 (Link) vs ? (Marth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZgp_tM53ic

J666 (Link) vs ? (Pit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIpKvGkQbUE

J666 (Link) vs Nes (Wario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bvSB4IN-Ng

Nes (PT) vs J666 (Link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlFVsOavd-Y

More tourny videos from the same thread.:

Psycho Midget (Snake) vs ? (Sonic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01UDKYfOz0E

Psycho Midget (Snake) vs ? (Ness)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyOKjywWZ7o

Psycho Midget (Snake) vs Nes (Fox)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_sbDgohpQE

Gimpyfish (Bowser) vs J666 (Diddy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8N6nERwllw

Gimpyfish (Bowser) vs Psycho Midget? (D3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebZVn95dFR8

Gimpyfish (Bowser) vs Connor (Lucario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENkC38gBr8

Gimpyfish (Bowser) vs Psycho Midget (Snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTlgsTtBpCI

Gimpyfish (Bowser) vs Psycho Midget (Snake) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd8hYxSgFfE



Edited, Feb 6th 2008 8:59am by Vataro
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#60 Feb 07 2008 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I was really hoping for playable Tom Nook :c
#61 Feb 07 2008 at 6:43 PM Rating: Good
Kachi wrote:
I was really hoping for playable Tom Nook :c


The hell is he from?
#62 Feb 07 2008 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Galkaman the Great wrote:
Kachi wrote:
I was really hoping for playable Tom Nook :c


The hell is he from?


animal crossing apparently
#63 Feb 08 2008 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, he's a raccoon (well, probably a tanuki) shopkeeper. He coulda had a great moveset too :/
#64 Feb 10 2008 at 5:54 PM Rating: Decent
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A surprising feature for Lucario is that his attacks become more powerful - in damage and knockback - the more he is damaged, up to 200%.

Shown in a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTzQ91fKDTE

He maxes out at 2x knockback and damage at around 200%.

Edited, Feb 10th 2008 7:55pm by Allegory
#65 Feb 10 2008 at 7:59 PM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:
A surprising feature for Lucario is that his attacks become more powerful - in damage and knockback - the more he is damaged, up to 200%.

Shown in a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTzQ91fKDTE

He maxes out at 2x knockback and damage at around 200%.

Edited, Feb 10th 2008 7:55pm by Allegory


That's interesting. I've been thinking of using Lucario as one of my mains, might have to see how this plays out.
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#66 Feb 10 2008 at 8:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Additionally, all (with a few exceptions) moves now do reduced knockback when used repeatedly in addition to reduced damage. This means killing moves will have to be used slightly more sparingly.
#67 Feb 11 2008 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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Additionally, all (with a few exceptions) moves now do reduced knockback when used repeatedly in addition to reduced damage. This means killing moves will have to be used slightly more sparingly.

Looks like I'm going to be playing more Ice Climbers instead of Sheik.


Damn it.
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#68 Feb 11 2008 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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The less Sheiks the better. Two of my friends main Shiek so it really gets old fast playing against her.
#69 Feb 11 2008 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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Heh, my friends use (in order of skill) Yoshi, Mario/Dr. Mario, Pikachu, and Ice Climbers. I'm partial to Fox and Samus myself, but Sonic will be my first pick when Brawl comes out Smiley: grin.
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#70 Feb 11 2008 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Always been hardcore Kirby myself, though I plan to use Olimar as an alt. Keeping an open mind on others, like Metaknight.
#71 Feb 11 2008 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
gonna see how Ike works out...probably gonna end up with Marth. Just seems like the best choice.
#72 Feb 11 2008 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
I think I'll be going for Sonic, Falcon and Lucario. Maybe the odd Samus thrown in.
#73 Feb 25 2008 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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Now under 2 weeks until launch. As excited as ever Smiley: grin.
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#74 Mar 02 2008 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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woot, 1 week. Smash Bros dojo keeps coming out with cool stuff to keep me excited.

A cool stage (possible spoilers)
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#75 Mar 02 2008 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll be participating in this for fun, and hopefully win a free copy of the game.
#76 Mar 02 2008 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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I'll be participating in it for fun as well, although I have no conceptions that I'll win, seeing as I have no ability to perform wavedashing or the more advanced techniques.
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