So why is it consistently third and losing market share every year? I suppose the price plus the lack of game availability is part of it. I like the games I have, including the oblivion game that Doug bought me a while ago. :)
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Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
It's because they lost their exclusive game rights (GTA, FF, etc.) so people buy the popular games on the cheap consoles.
Edit: And Xbox360 caters to the FPS whores (Gears of War, Halo, Call of Duty, etc.)
Edited, Mar 4th 2009 12:05am by Shaowstrike
Edit: And Xbox360 caters to the FPS whores (Gears of War, Halo, Call of Duty, etc.)
Edited, Mar 4th 2009 12:05am by Shaowstrike
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the 360 caters to the rpg market also, cornering the rpgs and shooters is basically two thirds of the market
the ps3 has oblivion and a few 360 ports like eternal sonanta and enchanted arms; it's just completely outclassed otherwise; no lost odyssey, mass effect, last remnant, etc
the ps3 has oblivion and a few 360 ports like eternal sonanta and enchanted arms; it's just completely outclassed otherwise; no lost odyssey, mass effect, last remnant, etc
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It's because they lost their exclusive game rights (GTA, FF, etc.) so people buy the popular games on the cheap consoles.
This. The PS3 is superior to the XBOX360, so of course it has to cost more.
Since sony no longer has most of their exclusive game rights people are buying the games for the cheaper systems like xbox360. Honestly, MGS4+MG0 alone is enough to make the PS3s cost worth it. If I don't have a PS3 by the time ffxiii also comes out that's when I'll be getting one.
ps2 used to have the rpg market, and xbox used to have the fps market, but for some reason a lot of decent looking rpgs are coming out for microsoft and not for sony. (Starocean anyone?
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There aren't enough decent games coupled with the absurdly high price of the original consoles pretty much killed the PS3's chances before it even got out of the gate. That and the 360 has much better online content. Also, while the PS3 may have more power under the hood, if you compare games side by side, you really can't tell the difference between them. Hell, if you don't have an HDTV, you can't tell the difference at all.
That aside, I'll probably pick up a 360 when God of War III comes out. I'd also like to play MG4, but aside from those two games the PS3 doesn't really have anything that interests me.
Edited, Mar 4th 2009 9:35am by TurinAlexander
That aside, I'll probably pick up a 360 when God of War III comes out. I'd also like to play MG4, but aside from those two games the PS3 doesn't really have anything that interests me.
Edited, Mar 4th 2009 9:35am by TurinAlexander
The answer is that Sony got full of themselves. After great success with the PS2 they decided they could dictate to customers what they wanted and to suppliers how things were to be done. When people failed to meet Sony's expectations they were cut off.
A few examples
The PS3's advertising was horrendous. The infamous baby commercial was a symptom of Sony trying to push the image they wanted of their product rather than reacting to the wants of the market. They alienated a lot of potential customers.
The dev kits were incredibly expensive and difficult to work with, so developers went else to other consoles with their ideas, limiting the selection of games.
Sony tried to fight Immersion corp on teh rumble feature and had to do without for some time.
A few examples
The PS3's advertising was horrendous. The infamous baby commercial was a symptom of Sony trying to push the image they wanted of their product rather than reacting to the wants of the market. They alienated a lot of potential customers.
The dev kits were incredibly expensive and difficult to work with, so developers went else to other consoles with their ideas, limiting the selection of games.
Sony tried to fight Immersion corp on teh rumble feature and had to do without for some time.
TurinAlexander the Vile wrote:
There aren't enough decent games coupled with the absurdly high price of the original consoles pretty much killed the PS3's chances before it even got out of the gate. That and the 360 has much better online content. Also, while the PS3 may have more power under the hood, if you compare games side by side, you really can't tell the difference between them. Hell, if you don't have an HDTV, you can't tell the difference at all.
That aside, I'll probably pick up a 360 when God of War III comes out. I'd also like to play MG4, but aside from those two games the PS3 doesn't really have anything that interests me.
Edited, Mar 4th 2009 9:35am by TurinAlexander
That aside, I'll probably pick up a 360 when God of War III comes out. I'd also like to play MG4, but aside from those two games the PS3 doesn't really have anything that interests me.
Edited, Mar 4th 2009 9:35am by TurinAlexander
I have a HD Tv. Holy ****, it is sweet!
Playstation Home is probably the lamest thing I've ever seen. It makes second life look compelling by comparison.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
If you dont have it already, pick up Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
I mainly got my PS3 because i wanted a blu-ray player and a few of the exclusive titles. As of now the only exclusives i care for are the Ratchet and Clank game and MLB The Show. Really looking forward to Gran Turismo and God of War 3.
I mainly got my PS3 because i wanted a blu-ray player and a few of the exclusive titles. As of now the only exclusives i care for are the Ratchet and Clank game and MLB The Show. Really looking forward to Gran Turismo and God of War 3.
A Volvo is such a better car than a Honda.
Yet I still drive a Honda.
With luxury goods, 90% of the time the almost-as-good-but-significantly-cheaper commodity wins. Cars, computers, gaming consoles, etc.
That's the only reason Dell is still in business, actually. They make an inferior product, but they're cheaper, and when you're budget limited, you gotta go with the cheapest option.
Yet I still drive a Honda.
With luxury goods, 90% of the time the almost-as-good-but-significantly-cheaper commodity wins. Cars, computers, gaming consoles, etc.
That's the only reason Dell is still in business, actually. They make an inferior product, but they're cheaper, and when you're budget limited, you gotta go with the cheapest option.
The playstation 3 is harder to program for, or at least so I have heard as where the Xbox 360 is supposed to be alot easier.
I used to have a PS3 and I sold it but I still have my 360. There are no exclusive MUST HAVE games on PS3 IMO and I never could get blue ray movies to play correctly. Newer movies would work fine but older movies ported to Blu ray would constantly lock up on me. I tried dealing with tech support and they couldn't find the problem either.
I also like the controls better on 360 but that is just personal preference. I know alot of people who would rather have a PS3 controller. I will admit the PS3 is probably built alot better then the 360. There have been multi console games that have actually ran better on the 360 though. I think the last madden game was supposedly one of them.
All in all though from my experience with the 360 and PS3 I didn't see any games that graphically were any better on PS3. Considering how much more powerful it is that is really ashame.
I used to have a PS3 and I sold it but I still have my 360. There are no exclusive MUST HAVE games on PS3 IMO and I never could get blue ray movies to play correctly. Newer movies would work fine but older movies ported to Blu ray would constantly lock up on me. I tried dealing with tech support and they couldn't find the problem either.
I also like the controls better on 360 but that is just personal preference. I know alot of people who would rather have a PS3 controller. I will admit the PS3 is probably built alot better then the 360. There have been multi console games that have actually ran better on the 360 though. I think the last madden game was supposedly one of them.
All in all though from my experience with the 360 and PS3 I didn't see any games that graphically were any better on PS3. Considering how much more powerful it is that is really ashame.
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Not to mention, spotty or nonexistent backwards compatibility. Difficulty of finding consoles for sale, not so much a current problem, but certainly was at launch. Launching a year or so after the 360 also doomed it to failure. While the PS2 was superior to the original XBox, Microsoft learned a lot about what makes a successful console. They nailed it with the 360. I'll probably pick up a PS3 eventually, if for no other reason than the Blu-Ray player.
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Its all about the games really. price is really a mute point when it comes to gaming as most gamers either own 2 or 3 consoles over a span of a consoles life cycle.
Pros of the XBOX:
* Xbox live, yes you have to pay for it, but it is always up, has excellent service and if it goes down we are given something in return. For those who dont know, the one time it has ever been flakey was during christmas 2 years ago. Ive had xbox live since it was released and thats the only time there have been extreme problems with it. Everyone was given a free xbox live arcade game for the interruptions.
* backwards capability of some xbox games.
* Price. I said above for a gamer its not really a big deal, but for parents who know nothing. This becomes a big choosing point.
* Games. There are just more of them. PS3s big fall is there really isnt anything ZOMG awesome for it besides MGS4, SF4, and the Gran Turismo 5 demo. beyond that its just a select few of average games and lot of crap. Xbox has a consistent line up of average to ZOMG good games.
Cons of the Xbox:
* RROD: Nuff said there.
* Xbox live: Its 60 bucks a year I think.
* The controllers d pad is made of phail.
* No Blu Ray dvd player
* No handheld hookup beyond the zune.
Pros of The PS3
* Playing most games online is free.
* The controller is more advanced.
* Blu Ray capability.
* PSP connectivity.
* Web Browser.
* Better graphics and a longer life cycle then the 360
* No major Hardware issues.
* Depending on your model, backwards capability.
Cons of the PS3
* For parents or non-gamers the price is a bit a much.
* Online play can be spotty at times is more based of a game by game type thing the an overall service.
* Weak third party games.
* Few First party games.
* Depending on you model, no backwards capability.
Theres more to all of it but those are really the big points.
Edited, Mar 4th 2009 2:37pm by Alobont
Pros of the XBOX:
* Xbox live, yes you have to pay for it, but it is always up, has excellent service and if it goes down we are given something in return. For those who dont know, the one time it has ever been flakey was during christmas 2 years ago. Ive had xbox live since it was released and thats the only time there have been extreme problems with it. Everyone was given a free xbox live arcade game for the interruptions.
* backwards capability of some xbox games.
* Price. I said above for a gamer its not really a big deal, but for parents who know nothing. This becomes a big choosing point.
* Games. There are just more of them. PS3s big fall is there really isnt anything ZOMG awesome for it besides MGS4, SF4, and the Gran Turismo 5 demo. beyond that its just a select few of average games and lot of crap. Xbox has a consistent line up of average to ZOMG good games.
Cons of the Xbox:
* RROD: Nuff said there.
* Xbox live: Its 60 bucks a year I think.
* The controllers d pad is made of phail.
* No Blu Ray dvd player
* No handheld hookup beyond the zune.
Pros of The PS3
* Playing most games online is free.
* The controller is more advanced.
* Blu Ray capability.
* PSP connectivity.
* Web Browser.
* Better graphics and a longer life cycle then the 360
* No major Hardware issues.
* Depending on your model, backwards capability.
Cons of the PS3
* For parents or non-gamers the price is a bit a much.
* Online play can be spotty at times is more based of a game by game type thing the an overall service.
* Weak third party games.
* Few First party games.
* Depending on you model, no backwards capability.
Theres more to all of it but those are really the big points.
Edited, Mar 4th 2009 2:37pm by Alobont
Shaowstrike wrote:
It's because they lost their exclusive game rights (GTA, FF, etc.)
GTA wasnt exclusive, hasnt been for a long time.
I've thought about getting another console (I'm really not at all impressed with the Wii) and the main things that keep me from thinking PS3 are the poor backwards compatibility (cheaped out from hardware to software based and seemingly worse every new version) and I already own a Blu-Ray player and have no need for two Blu-Ray players so it feels like spending an extra couple hundred bucks for no good reason.
Whenever I get around to it, it'll probably be a 360.
Whenever I get around to it, it'll probably be a 360.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
I've thought about getting another console (I'm really not at all impressed with the Wii) and the main things that keep me from thinking PS3 are the poor backwards compatibility (cheaped out from hardware to software based and seemingly worse every new version) and I already own a Blu-Ray player and have no need for two Blu-Ray players so it feels like spending an extra couple hundred bucks for no good reason.
Whenever I get around to it, it'll probably be a 360.
Whenever I get around to it, it'll probably be a 360.
if you dont mind waiting you could always watch the prices, see what goes down, and make a choice from there.
always good to have a look at current exclusive/upcoming exclusive games aswell.
MasterOfWar wrote:
Shaowstrike wrote:
It's because they lost their exclusive game rights (GTA, FF, etc.)
GTA wasnt exclusive, hasnt been for a long time.
What I meant by that is that Sony got the rights to exclusively sell the game for at least a year (see below). After that time frame Microsoft was allowed to sell their versions of the game which turned into a double pack since the original release of GTA 3 was 2 years previous. However with GTA 4 all console versions went on sale at the same time, giving consumers options on which console they wanted instead of being forced to play it on the Playstation or just wait for the Xbox release.
GTA 3 Release Dates:
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GTA: Vice City Release Dates:
PS2
Xbox
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It's not really that good of a platform. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the need for installs on the hard drive for most games, or how certain multi-system games suffer when ported to the ps3, if they make it at all. There aren't that many exclusives, and sony seems more fixated on Home than games.
Blu-ray is nice, but it's less of a factor than people think, mostly because people hate upgrading mediums.
I'm not sure how sony can turn it around. I'm not a fanboy, I enjoy all systems, and it's weird to see them struggle like this. Maybe as they start to release their MMOS like free realms, it might be able to carve out an identity.
Blu-ray is nice, but it's less of a factor than people think, mostly because people hate upgrading mediums.
I'm not sure how sony can turn it around. I'm not a fanboy, I enjoy all systems, and it's weird to see them struggle like this. Maybe as they start to release their MMOS like free realms, it might be able to carve out an identity.
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I've thought about getting another console (I'm really not at all impressed with the Wii)
Not even I am anymore
Though I'm kind of looking forward to Arc Rise Fantasia
Baron von Annabella wrote:
the price
Combine that with the economy, and Sony isn't doing as hot as one would like. I love the PS3. If I ever get rid of my roommates, I'll be buying one of my own.
Jophiel wrote:
(I'm really not at all impressed with the Wii)
I hear a lot of people saying that now that the novelty is wearing off.
See I used to say that those people bought a wii for the wrong reason, and I still stand by that. The novelty wasn't ever an issue for me; they had some really cool games for the first year and a half of the system's life.
What's irksome is that nintendo has all but abandoned their classic franchises in favor of catering to casual crowds. It wasn't like that even two years ago. The wii had some ******* awesome gamer potential. The problem right now is software.
I mean ofter arc rise fantasia comes out (and the only thing I know about it is its a by the book jrpg, meaning it's basically for me and my ilk) they've got nothing. THe last game I bought for it was tales of symphonia 2 and the only other game that I want is zack and wiki.
What's irksome is that nintendo has all but abandoned their classic franchises in favor of catering to casual crowds. It wasn't like that even two years ago. The wii had some ******* awesome gamer potential. The problem right now is software.
I mean ofter arc rise fantasia comes out (and the only thing I know about it is its a by the book jrpg, meaning it's basically for me and my ilk) they've got nothing. THe last game I bought for it was tales of symphonia 2 and the only other game that I want is zack and wiki.
By in large, the Wii is for my kid and he enjoys it plenty so it's not a big deal. But whenever we want to do anything "grown up" with it, its limitations shine through with a quickness.
Belkira wrote:
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
I hear a lot of people saying that now that the novelty is wearing off.
If they're referring to the wiimote then that is the sort of novelty that wears off 15 minutes after picking it up.
The Wii's main problem is Nintendo's targeting strategy has been incredibly successful at grabbing the casual gamers. My $50 as a long time gamer are just as good as grandma's $50 as a novelty gamer. Why should Nintendo put forth the effort games for me like Legend of Zelda or Banjo Kazooie when it can far more cheaply produce wii sports, cooking mama, and wario ware games for grandma?
I'd be more annoyed that Nintendo decided to stop developing games for my demographic, but even now I still believe I've made the best console choice. Neither the 360 nor the PS3 offers me anything worth giving up Zelda and Smash for.
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Combine that with the economy, and Sony isn't doing as hot as one would like. I love the PS3. If I ever get rid of my roommates, I'll be buying one of my own.
Me too. If i move to Philly, I'm buying a PS3. Any suggestions of games you like?
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Allegory wrote:
Neither the 360 nor the PS3 offers me anything worth giving up Zelda and Smash for.
Yes they do.
TurinAlexander the Vile wrote:
Yes they do.
No they don't, and I think you find it quite impossible to prove otherwise, but you are welcomed to try.
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