Chrono Trigger sequel 98% complete - C&Ded before releaseFollow

http://www.destructoid.com/square-enix-shuts-down-chrono-fan-game-crimson-echoes-131702.phtml

Did anyone know about this? Damn, it's a shame the project was stopped, it looked fantastic!

Maybe next time they'll think twice before stealing other peoples work to use in there game.

Which is there right to do, seeing how they own it and all.

They had full reason and right to shut down both projects.

Leave it to Square to ruin something that doesn't really matter to them one way or another. They should continue it in secret and mass release it on torrent sites in spite.

I think the whole thing may just be knee jerk reactions to the rampant piracy of the Nintendo DS. I've seen the numbers and more handhelds for the DS sell then Game Cartridges do (meaning there is a HUGE number of people who pirate the games using 3rd party Flashcarts).

Chrono Trigger DS was the first game to feature the new anti-piracy coding from Nintendo's SDK. And so far, the games that seem to have it are exclusively Square Enix. Dragon Quest V, Final Fantasy CC: Rings of Fate, Final Fantasy CC: Echoes of Time. These all had anti-piracy features built into the game.

Nintendo just recently announced that they are going to be teaming up with a security program called Metafortric to put a new anti-piracy security system into all their DS game cartridges.

I wouldn't be surprised if the release of Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days featured this new security.

Edited, May 17th 2009 8:11am by TirithRR

I didn't say it wasn't bypassable. Just that it exists. There were bypasses and fixes for it less than 10 hours after the release of the game in Japan. And months later when it came out in the US, pretty much the exact same bypasses worked for that game.

The Chrono Trigger DS anti-piracy was a small check during teleport scenes that caused a never ending loop during the scene (And a couple other places, like the Piano in the Cathedral).

Most notably during the first teleport after Lucca sends you back in time to get the Princess, it will sit in the teleport screen forever unless you have a real game (or have bypassed the piracy checks)

Edit:
The fact that you didn't even realize there were anti-piracy features present in these games goes to show you how worthless this feature was in Nintendo's latest SDK.

It failed miserably, and I don't think Metafortric will be any more of a success.

Edited, May 18th 2009 7:38pm by TirithRR

I know it makes me a damn dirty pirate to say it, but I REALLY hope it gets "leaked" somehow. The trailer rocks. If it ties together Trigger and Cross, I would be SO happy... even if it is an "unofficial story." I never really understood Cross. I need to replay it. Unanswered questions I seem to recall were how the Masamune turned evil, what happened to Crono and Co, and who exactly was Kid (I think that got explained, though... but how did she come to be at the islands?).

I also didn't like that to get Glen in Cross you needed to be a jerk to Kid at first. That was lame.

It saddens me how fast modders cave to a single C&D letter these days. They are nothing more than a threat, and do not at all mean a company can or even will take you to court let alone win. I've ignored quite a few. Mostly from a company called interact over posting custom made gameshark codes on the net, a few from modding console games, PC game makers generally embrace the modding community.

Total new games were made using baldurs gate's engine while the game was still new, before the company making it fell apart, and nobody griped. I wish console and pc game makers would learn from each other; less buggy pc games, more friendly console developers & publishers.

If the hadn't left so much of a trail (protip: release anonymously, do not have a site dedicated to a mod until after a publisher/developer publicly ok's mods for its product) and basically slit their own legal throat with this the company would have a hard time making a case:


Pride and lawyers that want to make money. Tops 2 reasons any C&D letters are ever sent.

edit:
Jeez..SE's legal tards seem to have gone into overdrive, even nailing youtube video's now (not just crimson echoes related ones)..And I just re-read the C&D letter they sent the compendium and realized their legal tards don't understand compression and copy protection are not the same thing (see remark about "temporal flux").

Next thing you know they'll go after ffedit and FFHackster saying it breaks NES "copy protection" for final fantasy 1 -.-

Edited, May 27th 2009 6:06am by thatdamnelf

M. Kramer Manufacturing Company, Inc. v. Andrews, 783 F.2d 421 (4th Cir. 1986)

Somehow I think the person writing the readme file saw the word "rom" in that suit and thought it was a ruling against modding snes roms..

That case doesn't even apply. In that case a company was using code from another in their own device and actively selling and marketing it. To compare the crimson echoes team would need to remake chrono trigger changing the names and stamping its name over "Squarsoft" manufacture cartridges and sell them. Then it'd be the same as that case.

Modding a rom is more like creating a fan fiction story. Your only distributing a binary file (which in itself contains no copyrighted works) that an end user could use to modify what is already a copy of a copyrighted work (that is in no way being itself distributed by the person making the the non copyrighted binary).

There are soooo many ways to loophole out of any attempt a company makes at saying I used their art etc..

I'll stop dropping in edits now, promise. Curses upon the houses of all litigation happy copyright lawyers!

Edited, May 28th 2009 3:56am by thatdamnelf

Any luck contacting them about that?


I had an exercise in headbanging a few days ago..ZeaLitY doesn't understand that companies don't "drop the C&D".. Its a formal demand, not a lawsuit. Arg. Didn't help that some people leaked an early alpha while the team is still full of fear.

I almost laugh at the expectation of getting an SE rep to make a formal statement beyond legalese. Most companies wouldn't respond outside of c&d letters and legal actions for non compliance and SE is notoriously quiet.


*or more likely, more c&d letters - these are rarely followed through on unless your costing them money or making a profit yourself..In which case your already in a heap of trouble.