SE says Chrono Trigger isn't selling well enough for sequelFollow

Ok, so what Square Enix games released since FFXI were not considered good. Or is 12 your entire basis for the hatred? Enough to warrant premature hatred of every Square Enix game to come out new? I don't think so


(Leaving out the re-releases for the GBA and DS)
Last Remnant - Good enough. Fun new battle system.
FFTA - Good
FFTA2 - Good
Valkyrie Profile - Good (but strange getting used to killing your teammates to become stronger)
Infinite Undiscovey - Dunno, never played it.

It's like Square Enix does ONE game different to try to get out of the whole "Same old same old" routine and people BOMB them with hatred saying all their new releases SUCK. People demand something new, and when Square Enix offers, they release the Hatred because it's not the same as the old stuff.

I just brought up the piracy issue, because in the past, Square Enix has specifically mentioned Chrono Trigger DS in their anti-piracy statements.

http://nintendo.joystiq.com/2008/11/20/square-enix-speaks-out-on-chrono-trigger-piracy/

Before Squaresoft became Square Enix you could depend on about anything released to be epic. Final Fantasy X-2 was ok but kinda meh and of course Final Fantasy 12 was terrible. Also the Crystal Chronicles game released on the Nintendo DS was just not up to par either.

Its more then just 1 game that has turned people away from them. Before all of that if they released a RPG game you could count on it being great because of the name. I won't be rushing out to preorder anything now until I read some reviews or play a demo etc.

You can't reduce it to a general principle. The specific game chrono trigger was heavily pirated on a specific platform, to the point where they think a sequel on the same platform is not economically viable. It's not like they can constantly afford to do next gen sequels or new IP- SE seems to be doing literally single games per platform, just because of the cost of it, and the increased risk they will tank.

and SE isn't alone. We won't see a sequel to retro game challenge pretty much because of the same way, people pirated it mostly and the sales for a niche game simply aren't enough to localize the sequel. The specific cases are what is important, it's not a general principle to be applied to all instances.

You won't see a sequel to GTA on the DS either. They'll just continue to move in the direction of downloadable content expansions on xboxlive-it can't be pirated easily at all, and there is no physical product to be resold.

The irony is that the more popular the game, the more likely it will be at a loss because of piracy. Not enough people care about the dark spire or luminous arc 2 to pirate it, but they pirate the hell out of the big releases.

I agree that SE needs to get off the handheld market.

Those are the most pirated. PSP and DS. Unfortunately most of the new games for their biggest titles are coming out on either or.

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Rings of Fate (DS)
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Echoes of Time (DS)
Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days (DS)
Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep (PSP)
Valkyrie Profile (PSP) (two different games as well, I believe)

While not pirate proof, the next gen consoles are less pirated. I'd rather see a good full quality Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts game come out for the 360 or PS3. The graphics on the handhelds, while good for handhelds, are not great.

Edited, Jun 13th 2009 7:10pm by TirithRR

Because everyone (according to you among others) pirated it instead. Do you know what "popular" means?



Because they pirated it instead. Why should they buy something that they can pirate? Take away the piracy, increase sales. How are you having such a hard time comprehending this assertion? You aren't even questioning it as a fact or not; you're just blatantly ignoring the prescription.

Hmm I really like this game, and I can get it for free. Wait, I can't get it for free anymore? Well damn I guess I need to buy it now. If you want something, then you'll probably try to get it. If the easiest way of getting it is buying it, then you'll probably buy it. This cannot be made any simpler.

Your argument leaves no room for square to make anything at all, ever. They obviously can't make handhelds anymore, because everyone pirates them. They obviously shouldn't make next gen stuff anymore because no one cares about them and it's a loss anyway. Really unless you want them to live entirely off of 14 and 11 you have not one single constructive idea for how they should conduct themselves.



It was a cell phone game. What the hell did you expect?



Alright then.

Name an alternative game that you think is a better choice for next gen development. If the next words out of your mouth aren't "final fantasy 15" then I want some of that crack you're on.

There have been studies shown and in alot of cases people who pirate software really had no plans to buy it. Think about it your walking down the street and you see a brand new sealed copy of a video game laying on the street your going to take it right? Now that you own it, maybe even play it, does this mean you were going to buy that game? Game companies will throw these wild numbers out at how much they lost because of bootlegging. They try to claim if a person has 100 pirated games that they lost $5000 (valuing them at $50 each) That person who has 100 pirated games prob hasn't even played half of them and if he had not been able to get them for free he prob wouldn't have any of them. I think there was even a case somebody was trying to claim $50 each for people who had roms on their system.

I used to download alot of roms and Ps1 games (not anymore mind you)but once again none of the stuff I downloaded is something that I would have actually went out and bought. In fact if I had never played the rom of Chrono Trigger I would have never bought Chrono Cross or Chrono Trigger for the PS1, so in this case Square actually profited from me playing a rom. When I first played Chrono Trigger you couldn't find it new anywhere and it was some obscene amount to buy a used copy from ebay.

When a game came out I wanted I went out and bought it. I don't like to mess with pirated stuff anymore because most of the time you either gotta boot it up in a abnormal pain in the *** manner, or it is constantly locking up and/or corrupting your save games (DS/GBA bootlegs do that as I found out once). With roms you can buy hardware I suppose but still that hardware is cheaply made and very prone to once again delete save games and lock up (been down that road too) If I am going to play a game I would just as soon get a legit copy that I know works and play it on the proper system with the controller it was designed for.

I bought a GBA game off Ebay not knowing it was a bootleg once. I got my money back and turned the seller in before it was all said and done. The game would constantly freeze and about every 3 or 4 times playing the save games would be gone.

I don't think pirating hurts game companies near as much as they try to make people believe. I mean plenty of game companies are profiting quite well off the hand held market and you don't hear them whining that they can't make games because of pirating? Not creating a game over bootlegging is a **** poor excuse as far as I am concerned.

Yeah, I can pretty much vouch for what he's saying. Every game I pirated, I had no plans of spending money. I can say the same for at least 5 friends who do the same. I ended up buying some games like Oblivion IV so I could get the game without some of the glitches and whatnot.

I have just gotten around to playing Chrono Trigger thanks to the DS version. I'm loving it, and would never have played it if they hadn't released it for the DS. So yea, they should make a sequel.

You can just get demos on live/psn, there could be more but its a very effective way of getting demos out.

And i can almost guarantee that a pc game with a demo will get pirated just as much as one without.

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 1:21pm by MasterOfWar

What I meant was, assume that your game is going to be pirated, and make it so good, as well as provide pirate proof dlc (such as premium modules in NWN (which to my knowledge require constant internet validation)) to entice pirates that have already stolen your game to buy it.

I know you're supposed to tease with a short little demo and make people buy the entire game, but that's not going to work if they've already stolen it. You might be able to instead tease people with the entire game and get people to buy your dlc. Haha ******** you got the entire game, it was good wasn't it? Oh yyyeaaaaah you want some more? You want some more of that? Well TOO BAD *****, buy it.

It wasn't changed until quite a while after they were released originally, unless there is some modern way to get around the internet validation that I don't know of.

When I tried to start wyvern crown of cormyr (fantastic paladin module, for the record) without a legitimate CD activation key it would always just stall on it. I guess it's the same way they stop you from doing online multiplayer without a legitimate key; I don't really know the technical details but I couldn't intuit nor research a way to circumvent it.

Pirates of the Sword Coast was my favorite though (ironically, I never pirated that one at all.) It was wonderfully humorous, had some nice equipment and a decent story. The only problem is that you turn into an undead creature halfway through so you need to export your character before that happens unless you want to be harmed by healing potions forever and ever.

Might be nice for a pale master though

Aaaannnyways, obviously pirates (game pirates and not sword coast pirates...) are going to take whatever they can get and probably won't buy the stuff anyway. Occasionally though, just occasionally, you might be able to recoup the inevitable "loss" by swaying a few people that really liked your game to buy the add-ons.

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I did think of something else that I've pirated, so I'm not quite as clean as I thought. I have downloaded a few VBA roms, the most notable of which were mother 3, riviera, and pokemon emerald. You can't buy that stuff new though, so I don't see how it's hurting anyone but gamestop. As a former GS employee, I relish that thought.



Does PS magazine still give out demos? I remember when I was like 9 or something and got my psx I played the Intelligent Qube demo for hours and hours. I think that disc had a parappa demo on it also, but that might not be the right one.

That's because my first sentence was directed towards you about console demos, my second sentence wasn't directed at you but rather at anyone.

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 7:47pm by MasterOfWar

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 7:48pm by MasterOfWar