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#77 Oct 02 2009 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Present in smash brothers as well.

That's not really cheating though. A human can do things like that. In many occasions though, a computer will just sidestep (what i'd guess are artificial) physics limitations on the player.
Sidestepping is not equivalent of this, since it literally shuts down some characters (most notably Terra) because almost all of their Bravery moves are ranged.

Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
We could also talk about puzzle quest.
We could, but I've never played the game so it would be rather one sideded

Alobont wrote:
I still have a hard time understanding some of the accessories. What are they boosting?
That's covered in the in-game help files. They boost Basic accessories. Right now, I can get 10.9x on my 15% Magical damage+ item.

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The only unfair thing the computer has is the SMNs, Generally the SMNs are what is killing you since they get ones that will triple their bravery or do something similar.
It's not just the summon. Often, they have access to First Strike (Critical Hit % increase on first combo), Counterattack (Crit rate up when countering) and Riposte (Crit rate increase when blocking opponent), all of which can turn a 200-300 damage attack into a crippling 400-600 damage, or taking combos like Sephiroth's basic Bravery attacks and turning them into one-hit Break scenarios long before you would ever have access to them.

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As for ranged users, its best to get some melee attacks in their and stack on some physical damage boosting, while trying to combo. The ranged users have the most destructive combos in the game, Just need to set them up.
Actually, some of the most devastating fighters are the close range jugglers. Warrior of Light has a brutal link move after a brave attack that has more than once one-shotted me on the opening level of Inward Chaos. All fighters have something, it's just that the melee fighters have a vast advantage in that a rush can go straight through a ranged attack, and that most ranged attacks leave the user stunned for a couple seconds, unable to dodge or defend against the melee counterattack.

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#78 Oct 02 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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TirithRR wrote:
I wonder if Tales of VS will be able to compete with Dissidia? (If it ever comes to America?)

AFAIK, Tales of VS is WAAAAAAAAAY better than Dissidia (having a brother who's a japanese major and thus downloads/buys japanese releases of the games).

He plays PSP/DS games like mad, and he was thoroughly bored of Dissidia within like a week of getting it last Christmas. Tales of VS is keeping him occupied to this day, to the best of my knowledge.

That said, I haven't played either game; Dissidia because I have the japanese version (and have had it since Christmas) and I can't read/speak japanese well enough to get into it, and Tales of VS because it's not out here.

There are other games that I'd rather get, too.
#79 Oct 02 2009 at 8:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, I have the game, and I'm royally addicted. Guess who I use.

lv100 Smiley: grin

I'll see if I upload some stuff for fun and post here tomorrow. =)
#80 Oct 02 2009 at 8:40 PM Rating: Good
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We could also talk about puzzle quest.


I've gamed quite a few times with the person who created the AI. He's a very cool guy.
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#81 Oct 02 2009 at 8:50 PM Rating: Good
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Guess who I use.
Obviously the Onion Knight.

I've been playing on and off, using an Undub copy. Its okay in short bursts, but I'm still highly disappointed that you can't play from the Villains point of view.
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#82 Oct 02 2009 at 9:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Sidestepping is not equivalent of this, since it literally shuts down some characters (most notably Terra) because almost all of their Bravery moves are ranged.


I'm not talking about sidestepping the ability as is in smash brothers. I'm talking about sidestepping as a principle that a computer employs. Sidestepping the player limitations is when a computer breaks physics instead of reflexes. For example, and it's been a while since I've checked, but I believe that computers can D.I. in parallel directions to their trajectory in melee, or maybe it was D.I. downwards while being hit upwards on a platform, which would be like crouch canceling, but totally broken, whatever. Human players absolutely cannot do those things.

An equivalent to what you are describing might be power shielding. Almost every move of Links is ranged, and if you can't use projectiles, you are at a severe disadvantage. The AI can reflect any projectile in the game with a well timed shield - oh ****. It's not cheating though, because a human can do the same thing with enough practice and good reflexes. They have to be really good, but it's not something that you can't theoretically do.

If the mechanic is in the game and it's just being abused instead of actually broken, then it's not computer cheating as much as bad game design.
#83 Oct 03 2009 at 4:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Sir Exodus wrote:
Guess who I use.
Obviously the Onion Knight.

I've been playing on and off, using an Undub copy. Its okay in short bursts, but I'm still highly disappointed that you can't play from the Villains point of view.



lolonionknight

Same. I was anxious to see all the villains join up with Chaos only to find out that the closest you get to it is with Chaos reports. Either way, fun game nonetheless.
#84 Oct 03 2009 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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I was doing ok until I had to fight Jecht from FFX (Tidus' father).
He completely owns me. I don't know what I'm doing wrong (other than losing).
Finally got around to getting into this game. Tutorial was a joke (though it should be that easy) and so were the first few levels worth of fights, but then I came up to this fight against Jecht who was guarding some treasure and was about 7 levels over me.

Probably retried 20 times before I was able to win. It was really tough but at the same time a good experience. Glad to know the game can really sharpen the difficulty curve...

I just need to get better at dodging attacks.

(And I won by being more aggressive with my HP attacks rather than trying to go in for bravery attacks, go figure.)
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#85 Oct 09 2009 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually bsphil that's pretty much the best way to beat a higher level opponent. Breaking them is ridiculously hard. Another trick you can do if you can get your hands on the manually activated Magic Pot summon is just let them kick your *** into Break Status, copy their Bravery, then smash 'em in the face.

You can also speed level if you buy up the CPU level setting increase for the Quick fight option and take on Exdeath a lot of times. It's dull but it's a better way of leveling for villains for damned sure.

Already have 3 level 100's (Terra, Shantotto and Cloud). Working on Cecil now, finally learned enough combat moves to equip Dark Flame, makes fights a ton easier having a ranged finisher that doesn't involve being airborne.
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#86 Oct 12 2009 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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We could also talk about puzzle quest.
I'd much rather be playing Puzzle Quest.

Bought Dissidia yesterday, breezed through about half the story mode so far. I actually physically removed the game from my PSP and threw it across the room because of how many times I retried a Sephiroth that was two levels above me. How do you can go from beating enemies twice your level (even Jecht, and he is always a challenge), to being repeatedly spanked by Sephiroth who is only two levels above you? It's retarded.

I do like all the unlockables, and the depth that the gameplay would have, if I was going to keep it. But I'll just take this game in to work tomorrow and see if I can hawk it to a co-worker for 30 bucks, or give it to Gamestop for whatever they'll give me for it. I still owe them 25 bucks on Brutal tomorrow, so I'll put it towards that, at least I have that to look forward to.

I can tolerate a lot of crap gameplay, I can tolerate the sh*t story in this one when balanced out with the action and the unlockables, and I can tolerate a lot of horrible things from videogames in general, but I will never tolerate an inconsistent difficulty curve. I can only imagine just how ridiculously cheap the AI will become later on. I just don't care enough about the franchise to put up with this game.

Edited, Oct 12th 2009 2:25pm by NixNot
#87 Oct 12 2009 at 5:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I still owe them 25 bucks on Brutal tomorrow, so I'll put it towards that, at least I have that to look forward to.


I don't want to hear you say, ever again, that you owe gamestop something. That goes for anyone...

******* evil goddamned company.

But really, don't trade it into them; try to either pawn it privately or just sell it online. Not only would you lose money by trading it back, but the company would make 100-200% profit off of just your trade, and that bothers me morally.
#88 Oct 12 2009 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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NixNot wrote:
I can only imagine just how ridiculously cheap the AI will become later on.


I made it to the Inward Chaos special story mode. Trying it on three separate level 100s and everything there destroys me.

Getting one-shot by an opponent I had just put in Break is so awesome... especially when it's because they somehow moved out of the way of the actual HP damage part of the combo. Not dodged. Not EX-Form blocked. I just kinda missed?

So it's either level more to 100, which is stupid-easy grinding, or get completely slaughtered. No thanks. Stupid game.. Ehrgeiz was better.
#89 Oct 12 2009 at 5:57 PM Rating: Good
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I still owe them 25 bucks on Brutal tomorrow, so I'll put it towards that, at least I have that to look forward to.


I don't want to hear you say, ever again, that you owe gamestop something. That goes for anyone...

@#%^ing evil goddamned company.
I dislike the game enough to where I need to get it out of my house as fast as possible. So, I'll bring it to work tomorrow, offer my friend (who kinda wants to play it) 30$ for it, and if he passes, I'll take whatever gamestop will give me. If that were to turn out to be 0$, I might change my mind, but anything more than that and I'll take it just to get rid of the game.
#90 Oct 13 2009 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
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Getting one-shot by an opponent I had just put in Break is so awesome... especially when it's because they somehow moved out of the way of the actual HP damage part of the combo. Not dodged. Not EX-Form blocked. I just kinda missed?
I see Square Enix has contracted SNK Boss Syndrome.

@#%^ you Geese Howard. @#%^ you hard.

Edited, Oct 13th 2009 8:01am by lolgaxe
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#91 Oct 13 2009 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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If that were to turn out to be 0$, I might change my mind, but anything more than that and I'll take it just to get rid of the game.


Probably 12-18. Normal rule is 1/3 of new price.
#92 Oct 13 2009 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
For the record, with whatever bizarro bonuses I got for having a Game Informer subscription, they paid me just under 22$ for it. Good enough for me.
#93 Oct 29 2009 at 12:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I finally uploaded some videos.

For the record, Jecht can go **** himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_TIMQZIehg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwfTvn-BJ1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W5BJ_DKf0o
#94 Oct 29 2009 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Ehcks wrote:
NixNot wrote:
I can only imagine just how ridiculously cheap the AI will become later on.


I made it to the Inward Chaos special story mode. Trying it on three separate level 100s and everything there destroys me.

Getting one-shot by an opponent I had just put in Break is so awesome... especially when it's because they somehow moved out of the way of the actual HP damage part of the combo. Not dodged. Not EX-Form blocked. I just kinda missed?

So it's either level more to 100, which is stupid-easy grinding, or get completely slaughtered. No thanks. Stupid game.. Ehrgeiz was better.
I got to the second part on my level 100 Onion Knight (oddly enough I beat the onion knight from the first part in under a minute on my first try). Terra was a joke, Bartz wasn't hard, but I can't for the life of me get past Cloud, much less Squall, who I'm going to get stuck in a chain with after I finally beat Cloud.

EDIT: Nevermind, just beat Cloud, then Squall, then cleared all of the next level, lol. Now, level 109 Sephiroth? F*ck that guy.

Also worth mentioning that I really, really hate the Planet's Core map.

Edited, Oct 29th 2009 1:04pm by bsphil
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#95 Oct 29 2009 at 1:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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I pretty much hate any character who has a BRV attack that links into a HP attack. Particularly when mixed with an almost flawless AI.

The sad part? The last guy of Inward Chaos is...Chaos.

That's going to be a ***** and a half by the time I get there.

Not going to bother till I have better gear, though.
#96 Oct 29 2009 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Sir Exodus wrote:
I pretty much hate any character who has a BRV attack that links into a HP attack. Particularly when mixed with an almost flawless AI.
Well, that's why I love Onion Knight, lol.
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#97 Nov 03 2009 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Sir Exodus wrote:
The sad part? The last guy of Inward Chaos is...Chaos.
I'm up to him now. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-this is challenging. If I can land Guiding Strike on him, I seem to be able to get into a loop of starting up the same attack over and over again, doing 1000-1200 damage each iteration. The trouble is in just getting it started. Haven't even gotten to the final round though. Closest I've been was about 2k from finishing the second round...

EDIT: HA! Winrar. Too bad they don't let you save Chaos fights.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2009 12:00pm by bsphil
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#98 Dec 14 2009 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
Necrothrust!

I finally bought this game. After doing the tutorials, I went straight for Terra's storyline because <3. I breezed through it, and I was a little disappointed because it was 5 stars and most of the others weren't. Then I did Tidus's and it was ok. So then I decided to do them in order. I'm having a terrible time with Warrior of Light's right now. Like Nix said, this inconsistency is annoying...

ETA: I keep dying because this ***** gets me into a chase and the camera gets stuck and I can't see what's happening and I just get tossed around like a rage doll. ><

Edited, Dec 14th 2009 9:37pm by Codyy


AND: This is ******* bull ****. Chaos is ******* impossible.

Edited, Dec 16th 2009 6:09pm by Codyy
#99 Dec 16 2009 at 7:12 PM Rating: Decent
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If you think Chaos is bad now, wait until you you do Inward Chaos.
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#100 Dec 21 2009 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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Eh, cake as long as you use Terra and spam Tornado. I don't call it cheating, I call it a tactical approach to an otherwise impossible victory.

On that note, dear lord do I despise getting 100% Story Mode in Shade Impulse 1, 2 and 3.
#101 Dec 21 2009 at 4:28 PM Rating: Decent
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BlackyLakshmi wrote:
Eh, cake as long as you use Terra and spam Tornado. I don't call it cheating, I call it a tactical approach to an otherwise impossible victory.
It was tough but I did manage to do it after about 20 retries, lol.

Edited, Dec 21st 2009 4:34pm by bsphil
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