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the game itself looks awesome!! but the trailer seems messy and random.
soooo dramatic at the end lol
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Way too much over the top generic drama.
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Felt like it spoiled something...
What do you guys feel about the voice acting so far?
What do you guys feel about the voice acting so far?
Voice acting seemed par the course for 10, which isn't too spectacular but it's understandable since 1) the lips aren't choreographed to the speech (at least the English speech) and 2) convincing acting is hard enough to get in a human, let alone a digital construct, and 3) the over-the-top melodrama about hidden pasts and the meaning of life stuff always sounds cheesy in any trailer.
Overall, this looks like 10 with slightly better graphics, to which I say, meh. How many more spinning lights and flashes can you add to punches and slashes now? How many more organics curves can you add to airships and robots? How many more timed button presses can you add to the same limit breaks/overdrives/etc? How many more orphan tales can you tell?
It's understandable to build a new game on things that worked before. I too was impressed by the flash and world-saving melodrama of 7,8,10,12...so in theory, I should want this game, but I don't. For me, I no longer need the same basic game updated the umpteenth time; I can just replay the old ones.
Of course someone will say "that's just a trailer, you can't judge the game based on just that". Well, I can judge the fact that SE thinks the best part of the game to show off is battle explosions and wrist-slashing cutscenes. If they had some really brand new ideas or gameplay elements, they'd show it off. Instead, it's 12v2.0/10v3.0/8v4.0/etc. I love all those games, I'm just not going to buy a PS3 and the game just for new flash.
edit: Also, does the black guy remind anyone else of Michael from TV's "Lost"?
Edited, Oct 7th 2009 5:40pm by cookiesmonster
Overall, this looks like 10 with slightly better graphics, to which I say, meh. How many more spinning lights and flashes can you add to punches and slashes now? How many more organics curves can you add to airships and robots? How many more timed button presses can you add to the same limit breaks/overdrives/etc? How many more orphan tales can you tell?
It's understandable to build a new game on things that worked before. I too was impressed by the flash and world-saving melodrama of 7,8,10,12...so in theory, I should want this game, but I don't. For me, I no longer need the same basic game updated the umpteenth time; I can just replay the old ones.
Of course someone will say "that's just a trailer, you can't judge the game based on just that". Well, I can judge the fact that SE thinks the best part of the game to show off is battle explosions and wrist-slashing cutscenes. If they had some really brand new ideas or gameplay elements, they'd show it off. Instead, it's 12v2.0/10v3.0/8v4.0/etc. I love all those games, I'm just not going to buy a PS3 and the game just for new flash.
edit: Also, does the black guy remind anyone else of Michael from TV's "Lost"?
Edited, Oct 7th 2009 5:40pm by cookiesmonster
I suppose it's too much to hope for that SE would allow me to play the game in Japanese. From what I've heard in the trailer, the dubbing in XII is better than this will be.
Also, why is it that when I see trailers in a movie theater, I'm able to get a good sense of what the movie is about, but I'm never able to do that when I watch a trailer from SE? I mean, at least give us the premise, not just a bunch of random scenes and people arguing over things that we have no clue about.
All I've gathered from the trailer is that it involves a small resistance group opposing a larger, more powerful group, and that some guy is going to marry the protagonist's sister.
I enjoy XII and play it to death. Hopefully I can do the same with XIII and not just get through it and toss it aside like I did X (and IX, and X-2).
Also, why is it that when I see trailers in a movie theater, I'm able to get a good sense of what the movie is about, but I'm never able to do that when I watch a trailer from SE? I mean, at least give us the premise, not just a bunch of random scenes and people arguing over things that we have no clue about.
All I've gathered from the trailer is that it involves a small resistance group opposing a larger, more powerful group, and that some guy is going to marry the protagonist's sister.
I enjoy XII and play it to death. Hopefully I can do the same with XIII and not just get through it and toss it aside like I did X (and IX, and X-2).
It looks good. I want to know more information on the battle system, and a trailer with more info on the plot wouldn't hurt either >.>
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My avastaru went a little crazy when I clicked on the link. It said something aboutaru a trogen. Could justaru be me but I thought I would mention something.
edit: Clicked through all the links to itaru on the website and the same thing. Guess my Avastaru hates square-enix :P
Edited, Oct 7th 2009 7:08pm by DeathblowESF
edit: Clicked through all the links to itaru on the website and the same thing. Guess my Avastaru hates square-enix :P
Edited, Oct 7th 2009 7:08pm by DeathblowESF
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Of course someone will say "that's just a trailer, you can't judge the game based on just that". Well, I can judge the fact that SE thinks the best part of the game to show off is battle explosions and wrist-slashing cutscenes. If they had some really brand new ideas or gameplay elements, they'd show it off. Instead, it's 12v2.0/10v3.0/8v4.0/etc. I love all those games, I'm just not going to buy a PS3 and the game just for new flash.
Because what will hopefully be 40+ hours of gameplay can get crammed into a trailer a few minutes long? Really, I wouldn't even think it's begun to scratch the surface on the story and showing off eye candy in trailers has kinda been a staple for games and movies alike. SE knows the FF fans will pick it up. The point of that trailer is likely to snag those who aren't. Could it be FF7 all over again? Who knows.
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This didn't feel like a trailer. Definately far from a 'teaser'
It was really long and I didn't even get through half of it.
It was interesting, but since I don't have a PS3 and all, I feel like I'd just be spoiling more and more for myself.
I did like the look of the battles and if all the cut scenes are rendered that way, I think it's a nice step up, but then again I haven't seen FFXII.
Thanks for the link though. Helped pass time.
It was really long and I didn't even get through half of it.
It was interesting, but since I don't have a PS3 and all, I feel like I'd just be spoiling more and more for myself.
I did like the look of the battles and if all the cut scenes are rendered that way, I think it's a nice step up, but then again I haven't seen FFXII.
Thanks for the link though. Helped pass time.
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Of course someone will say "that's just a trailer, you can't judge the game based on just that". Well, I can judge the fact that SE thinks the best part of the game to show off is battle explosions and wrist-slashing cutscenes. If they had some really brand new ideas or gameplay elements, they'd show it off. Instead, it's 12v2.0/10v3.0/8v4.0/etc. I love all those games, I'm just not going to buy a PS3 and the game just for new flash.
Because what will hopefully be 40+ hours of gameplay can get crammed into a trailer a few minutes long? Really, I wouldn't even think it's begun to scratch the surface on the story and showing off eye candy in trailers has kinda been a staple for games and movies alike. SE knows the FF fans will pick it up. The point of that trailer is likely to snag those who aren't. Could it be FF7 all over again? Who knows.
Storywise, like others said, it doesn't give any clear indication of what it's about. Instead we get vague snippets of dialogue that do not even tease us as to the story except in the most broadest of terms, e.g. "personal conflicts with worldwide conflicts as a backdrop".
And no, I do not expect 40+ hours blah blah blah. I expect bites of gameplay that showcases where the game will shine, for example any detail on the leveling/learning system. Instead we got battle scenes bloated with spinning and exploding lights and damage numbers (and really it just looked like the first 10 minutes of FFX).
And as for "SE knows the FF fans will pick it up", I'm not so sure. 12 seems like the only solid success they've had in a while, where as the 7 sequels and X-2 had mixed reviews and the best GBA sales are the remakes not the Crystal Chronicles. But the most prominent game in the FF fandom for the past few years has been and still is 11. And though I like it, 11 has alienated many FF fans, so they shouldn't take their fanbase for granted until they rebuild their image of quality.
finally gotta see some of the gestalt action for odin and ifrit. I heard they were horse and race car respectively but it was nice to see it action. Ifrit didn't really look like ifrit, though, I guess it'd be hard to with the need to function in another form. I dont mind the voiceacting really, it did seem to be really soapy but it may end up really catching me.
lets see, new female char with dark hair in the end, tons of new info on the meanings of the names like fal'cie for people who haven't been intently paying attention, a huge world ( did you see where you could go into the pipes or the monstrous creatures just cruising the open field ).
I'd really like to just have another game to get lost in. XII may have had its problems but really I felt the world was so fleshed out for me to explore. tons of rare mobs and then hunts on top of that. extra zones and dungeons. mmmm the stuff an rpg'er craves.
lets see, new female char with dark hair in the end, tons of new info on the meanings of the names like fal'cie for people who haven't been intently paying attention, a huge world ( did you see where you could go into the pipes or the monstrous creatures just cruising the open field ).
I'd really like to just have another game to get lost in. XII may have had its problems but really I felt the world was so fleshed out for me to explore. tons of rare mobs and then hunts on top of that. extra zones and dungeons. mmmm the stuff an rpg'er craves.
As a consumer, you have every right to complain, but just realize, pleasing you is upsetting someone else.
People complained that FFX-2 didn't have enough traditional FF "boo-hoo" love drama. People then complained about FFXII being too straight forward with very little "WTF did that come from" drama. Now people are complaining about FFXIII's story being overly dramatic.
cookiesmonster wrote:
Seriha wrote:
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Of course someone will say "that's just a trailer, you can't judge the game based on just that". Well, I can judge the fact that SE thinks the best part of the game to show off is battle explosions and wrist-slashing cutscenes. If they had some really brand new ideas or gameplay elements, they'd show it off. Instead, it's 12v2.0/10v3.0/8v4.0/etc. I love all those games, I'm just not going to buy a PS3 and the game just for new flash.
Because what will hopefully be 40+ hours of gameplay can get crammed into a trailer a few minutes long? Really, I wouldn't even think it's begun to scratch the surface on the story and showing off eye candy in trailers has kinda been a staple for games and movies alike. SE knows the FF fans will pick it up. The point of that trailer is likely to snag those who aren't. Could it be FF7 all over again? Who knows.
Storywise, like others said, it doesn't give any clear indication of what it's about. Instead we get vague snippets of dialogue that do not even tease us as to the story except in the most broadest of terms, e.g. "personal conflicts with worldwide conflicts as a backdrop".
Would you rather it all start with, "In a world where..." kind of thing? You're basically looking to swap out one marketing cliche with another, and regardless of your thoughts on spin-offs, the fans will be there. What I saw almost struck me as an appeal to the female gamer who might not be hardcore about it. Yes, they do exist.
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And no, I do not expect 40+ hours blah blah blah. I expect bites of gameplay that showcases where the game will shine, for example any detail on the leveling/learning system. Instead we got battle scenes bloated with spinning and exploding lights and damage numbers (and really it just looked like the first 10 minutes of FFX).
Systematic breakdowns are boring to the common viewer. A demo version has also been released in Japan, of which I'll simply say hands-on experience will describe far more than a couple seconds of, "See the revolutionary new BLAH system!" Though, the lack of demo here doesn't help (Think it came with the BR Advent Children release there). I'm sure youtube and more dedicated reviews can scratch that itch of yours, though.
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And as for "SE knows the FF fans will pick it up", I'm not so sure. 12 seems like the only solid success they've had in a while, where as the 7 sequels and X-2 had mixed reviews and the best GBA sales are the remakes not the Crystal Chronicles. But the most prominent game in the FF fandom for the past few years has been and still is 11. And though I like it, 11 has alienated many FF fans, so they shouldn't take their fanbase for granted until they rebuild their image of quality.
X-2 was the best incarnation of the ATB system and honestly wasn't a bad game if the prissy dudes bemoaning it could get past the fact it wasn't a Barbie simulator. Beyond that, the failure of other spin-offs is more a result of SE experimenting and not going with a full-blown experience we're usually used to with the numbered installments. I also wouldn't call XI the most prominent game in the franchise, now or ever. That's the illusion of replayability mixing the timesink of MMOs. And those that swear off SE products because of their XI experiences are, frankly, lying in my eyes. Not that we have any way of proving they'll stick to their word, either.
Violence good. Sexy bad. Yay America.
Seriha wrote:
Would you rather it all start with, "In a world where..." kind of thing?
I'm not sure if its Square's new found formula for generic or if that their generic results are half assed annoys me more.
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Seriha wrote:
the fans will be there.
Not if they have no other reason to buy a PS3 except or this game. I'd imagine a $350 price tag just to play FF13 will turn off a sizable chunk of the fanbase. Yes there are people who already have one or would play other games besides 13 on it, but the PS3 already has terrible sales thanks to a lack of spectacular games that would warrant the price tag.
Nice drama as long as i can play a FF game and feel like I changed the world It'll be great.FF12 let me down because it was all for the status quo all I did was get powerful put a royal family back in power and leave the undying alone to play god with a later generation.When i get all but 2 NMs and fight a boss for 5 hours i want a better ending than flying off in the sunset to work as a smuggler.
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Seriha wrote:
X-2 was the best incarnation of the ATB system and honestly wasn't a bad game
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cookiemonster wrote:
Not if they have no other reason to buy a PS3 except or this game. I'd imagine a $350 price tag just to play FF13 will turn off a sizable chunk of the fanbase. Yes there are people who already have one or would play other games besides 13 on it, but the PS3 already has terrible sales thanks to a lack of spectacular games that would warrant the price tag.
People do buy whole systems to play one game. I'm sure FFX convinced many to buy PS2. Of course the PS3 cost more, but the price continues to drop and will drop as the Christmas season approaches.
Besides, the original Playstation debuted at $299.00 and I think the PS2 did also.
The only thing "wrong" with the PS3 is the price tag. People are just more willing to buy the same exact games on 360 because the system is cheaper. History has shown that the cheaper systems always prevail regardless on how more technically advanced the other systems are.
Wii being cheap as crap and full of games that match the moniker, too.
Alternatively, XIII is seeing a 360 release, so it's not like those already participating in the current generation of gaming (Wii aside) won't have an option for picking up the game. Though if I'm not mistaken, the Xbox version will be running at half the FPS of the PS3 version, so videophiles may be inclined to make that purchase if they haven't already (because, you know, BR won the format war...).
Alternatively, XIII is seeing a 360 release, so it's not like those already participating in the current generation of gaming (Wii aside) won't have an option for picking up the game. Though if I'm not mistaken, the Xbox version will be running at half the FPS of the PS3 version, so videophiles may be inclined to make that purchase if they haven't already (because, you know, BR won the format war...).
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