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#52 Jul 02 2010 at 7:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Steamworks is a gay bath house in England, while Securom is one of the crappiest pieces of game DRM software ever invented. IIRC a few versions of the software even managed to brick some people's PCs.

Edited, Jun 30th 2010 10:55am by Shaowstrike

Securom>Steamworks, steamworks always sucks, theres plenty of securoms in use that are perfectly fine, such as that in BC2.
#53 Jul 02 2010 at 8:54 PM Rating: Decent
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my advice to people regarding Borderlands is if you dont have friends you plan to play with, don't even bother with it. Furthermore, i think its better on a console where you can do local co-op.


Why's that? I played through the game solo and found it quite good, except for the sorry excuse of a story that is.
#54 Jul 03 2010 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
I'm playing Torchlight. I know months behind... but for 5$ thats allot of clicky fun to be had. I've resisted much of the rest of the sale so far but I think I might pick up some of the others that have been tempting me this weekend after I click my through the rest of Torchlight.

I almost picked up Borderlands but I just have trouble getting into ugly post apocalyptic games for some reason.
#55 Jul 03 2010 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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I'm playing Torchlight. I know months behind... but for 5$ thats allot of clicky fun to be had. I've resisted much of the rest of the sale so far but I think I might pick up some of the others that have been tempting me this weekend after I click my through the rest of Torchlight.

I almost picked up Borderlands but I just have trouble getting into ugly post apocalyptic games for some reason.


Hell yea man, torchlight is a treat.
#56 Jul 03 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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#57 Jul 03 2010 at 3:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Professor shintasama wrote:
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Borderlands works on the same system as Diablo. Everything is completely soloable, and if people join your game then the difficulty goes up to compensate. Unlike Diablo, everyone has to be in the same area, so you won't have people idling in town making your game harder or anything like that. It's a pretty good game, though the plot is absolutely horrible.
Horribly Awesome!

Seriously, best DLCs of any game I've ever owned. As long as you don't take Borderlands too seriously it is amazing, tons of pop culture references/bizarre humor and extremely satisfying gameplay. It's certainly worth more than 10$.

I hit level 50 before the DLCs were released. When you hit max level, it scales all of the enemies and loot up so they're still a challenge to you. Unfortunately, in the DLC, the scaling is way too high, to the point where my hunter would lose all his shields - 1200 or so - in a single hit from an enemy, and be on the ground in one or two more. It was completely impossible for me to enjoy most of the DLC like that, although The Zombie Island of Dr. Ned was still quite good.
I was also a lv50 hunter when the zombie island DLC came out and had no issues at all difficulty wise. If anything I think the game is a little easy.

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The plot, however, is still horrible in all of them, and horrible in a way that does not mean good. They have their funny moments, to be sure, but there's no story to speak of, which is a shame because the idea had potential.
Once again, horribly awesome. Emphasis on the awesome. If you were expecting the complete works of Shakespeare force feed down your throat in massive walls of text (*coughDA:Ocough*) then you've totally missed the point of the entire game.

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As for console vs PC, I've done co-op on both, and they're equally acceptable. The splitscreen gets annoying for trying to read menus or item stats - you have to keep scrolling right to read the stats, then left to see your inventory again. On the other hand, if you prefer playing on a console, that's hardly enough to be a real deterrent.
My other big issue with console version is it's just a pain in the *** to snipe or even run and gun w/ head shots. The level of precision from a 360 controller just isn't nearly as good and mouse+keyboard for FPS (over the shoulder shooters and platformers on the other hand...).
#58 Jul 03 2010 at 3:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I was also a lv50 hunter when the zombie island DLC came out and had no issues at all difficulty wise. If anything I think the game is a little easy.

Zombie Island was a super-easy DLC, mostly because they moved so slow and could be readily headshotted. But even aside from that it was really easy. Maybe my game somehow glitched on the rest, but the enemies were completely devastating. On PC, for what it's worth.

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The plot, however, is still horrible in all of them, and horrible in a way that does not mean good. They have their funny moments, to be sure, but there's no story to speak of, which is a shame because the idea had potential.
Once again, horribly awesome. Emphasis on the awesome. If you were expecting the complete works of Shakespeare force feed down your throat in massive walls of text (*coughDA:Ocough*) then you've totally missed the point of the entire game.

I was expecting a game with some sort of plot. I agree that it was funny at times, but there's nothing at all there to justify labeling the plot as "awesome". The plot sucked ***. Even if you did every single mission in the game and read all of the text, the plot sucked ***. The jokes, however, were great. But the plot has been the single lowest point in every last review Borderlands has received. That doesn't make it any less fun, but if you're the sort of guy who enjoys his games for both their gameplay and their story, you're going to be disappointed here, because the story simply isn't there. You can fit the whole thing in one paragraph.

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My other big issue with console version is it's just a pain in the *** to snipe or even run and gun w/ head shots. The level of precision from a 360 controller just isn't nearly as good and mouse+keyboard for FPS (over the shoulder shooters and platformers on the other hand...).

I dunno, I didn't have much issue with it. It took a bit of practice, but I was readily getting headshots on a hunter on both PC and 360. I did have to change the controller sensitivity, but that was all. Playing as a Berserker was actually more fun on 360, because the controller tends to emphasize the way I played, which was to sprint through enemy fire, blast one in the face with my shotgun, and move on.
#59 Jul 04 2010 at 1:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I have to recommend Puzzle Kingdoms, its a pretty sweet deal considering its normally $20 and its on sale for $1, easily worth more than that.
#60 Jul 04 2010 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
Majivo wrote:
Professor shintasama wrote:
I was also a lv50 hunter when the zombie island DLC came out and had no issues at all difficulty wise. If anything I think the game is a little easy.

Zombie Island was a super-easy DLC, mostly because they moved so slow and could be readily headshotted. But even aside from that it was really easy. Maybe my game somehow glitched on the rest, but the enemies were completely devastating. On PC, for what it's worth.
Ah, thought you meant you thought Zombie Island was hard. Moxxi wasn't difficult if you had a good constant action setup, although you could get screwed over occasionally by crazy rules. Knoxx on the other hand was either ridiculously easy if you had a decent +corrosive, or just slightly more difficult that the normal game if you didn't. The only thing I can think of that would 1-2 shot you would be the "Meat Popsicle" in that fridge in the secret room. Other than that enemies are of an appropriate difficulty level IMO (small jump in difficulty if you were used to being over-leveled I guess).

plot- The thing I love is there is no convoluted backstory full of characters that act evil or good regardless of whether they have any reasonable justification for doing so. The motivations for characters in Borderlands are very simple and direct, reminiscent Mad Max- fight for control of group/region, fight for resources, fight for power, fight for revenge. In a backwater desert wasteland, I feel that this played very well to the realism of people in this scenario. A complex DA:O/ME "epic" story would be completely, obnoxiously out of place.
#61 Jul 04 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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I have to recommend Puzzle Kingdoms, its a pretty sweet deal considering its normally $20 and its on sale for $1, easily worth more than that.


Bought. for 1 buck, why not right? lol
#62 Jul 04 2010 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah, thought you meant you thought Zombie Island was hard. Moxxi wasn't difficult if you had a good constant action setup, although you could get screwed over occasionally by crazy rules. Knoxx on the other hand was either ridiculously easy if you had a decent +corrosive, or just slightly more difficult that the normal game if you didn't. The only thing I can think of that would 1-2 shot you would be the "Meat Popsicle" in that fridge in the secret room. Other than that enemies are of an appropriate difficulty level IMO (small jump in difficulty if you were used to being over-leveled I guess).

Moxxi was fun for about four rounds (or waves, or sets, whatever the groups of 5 are called). But inevitably the numbers would climb up there and my shields just became completely incapable of taking any hits. I'm starting to wonder if my game wasn't messed up somehow, from what you're saying. I fancy myself as a fairly good player, but I just could not complete Moxxi or Knoxx - which is a shame, because while leveling, I loved fighting Crimson Lance, and I enjoyed the idea of arena-style combat in Moxxi. Hell, I even had maxed sniper rifle skill, too, and one of the best shields in the game. Maybe I should run it on a fresh install with my old save file.
#63 Jul 04 2010 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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The following will involve Borderland plot spoilers. You've been warned.


The characters at best are amusing caricatures and at worst rather stupid and annoying. The story itself is crap. It consists of an anonymous woman telling you that you can find the vault (supposedly full of ancient alien treasures) and occasionally giving you directions on how to do just that. After a while you find the vault and it turns out that the it's actually a trans dimensional prison for some tentacle monster that will destroy the universe or some such if it gets out. It gets out and is immediately killed by player. The end. The game's only redeeming value in terms of story is that there are a number of amusing jokes and nerd culture references. To say the story is awesome because of that is an insult to games that actually have a good story.
#64 Jul 04 2010 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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agreed. that game, to me, was all about getting nifty weapons, and killing dudes with em. thats it. I got to the point where i would just completely tune out the lady every time she spoke.

Heres a good summary of the story: "follow the quest waypoint" the end.
#65 Jul 04 2010 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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agreed. that game, to me, was all about getting nifty weapons, and killing dudes with em. thats it. I got to the point where i would just completely tune out the lady every time she spoke.

Heres a good summary of the story: "follow the quest waypoint" the end.
Totally worth 10 bucks.
#66 Jul 04 2010 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
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It was a completely worthwhile purchase, but if you're talking to someone about it and they say "well, what's the plot?", then the only dignified answer you can give is "I don't know".
#67 Jul 05 2010 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Professor shintasama wrote:
Ah, thought you meant you thought Zombie Island was hard. Moxxi wasn't difficult if you had a good constant action setup, although you could get screwed over occasionally by crazy rules. Knoxx on the other hand was either ridiculously easy if you had a decent +corrosive, or just slightly more difficult that the normal game if you didn't. The only thing I can think of that would 1-2 shot you would be the "Meat Popsicle" in that fridge in the secret room. Other than that enemies are of an appropriate difficulty level IMO (small jump in difficulty if you were used to being over-leveled I guess).

Moxxi was fun for about four rounds (or waves, or sets, whatever the groups of 5 are called). But inevitably the numbers would climb up there and my shields just became completely incapable of taking any hits. I'm starting to wonder if my game wasn't messed up somehow, from what you're saying. I fancy myself as a fairly good player, but I just could not complete Moxxi or Knoxx - which is a shame, because while leveling, I loved fighting Crimson Lance, and I enjoyed the idea of arena-style combat in Moxxi. Hell, I even had maxed sniper rifle skill, too, and one of the best shields in the game. Maybe I should run it on a fresh install with my old save file.
My chars are 59, 58, 39 32 atm, but I could get one of the lower ones up in a day or two (assuming I wasn't doing FFXI) if you wanted to co-op.



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The following will involve Borderland plot spoilers. You've been warned.

The characters at best are amusing caricatures and at worst rather stupid and annoying. The story itself is crap. It consists of an anonymous woman telling you that you can find the vault (supposedly full of ancient alien treasures) and occasionally giving you directions on how to do just that. After a while you find the vault and it turns out that the it's actually a trans dimensional prison for some tentacle monster that will destroy the universe or some such if it gets out. It gets out and is immediately killed by player. The end. The game's only redeeming value in terms of story is that there are a number of amusing jokes and nerd culture references. To say the story is awesome because of that is an insult to games that actually have a good story.

If you completely ignore Tannis, the various competing corporations, and all of the other secondary characters and side plots, sure:

The following will involve Mass Effect plot spoilers. You've been warned.

Space rentacop commander (mrs/mr) shepard is a completely unlikable character with the personality of a brick and is incapable of emotions other than "I'm a saint, teehee", "I'm completely evil" and "I'm an impotent looser". The story itself is a long winded piece of crap. It consists of a anonymous pieces of space garbage telling you that there are a bunch of evil space monsters out to get you and giving you vague directions on how to stop them. After a while of wandering around you find the planet Illos and it turns out that the it's actually a gateway for some tentacle monsters that will destroy the universe or some such if they get out. They get out and are immediately killed by player. The end. The game's only redeeming values are you get achievements for sticking with acting like one cardboard caricature or another in your giant single ending "choose your own adventure book" and you are given the opportunity to "get it on" with one of you shipmates (shameless marketing ploy go!). To say the story is awesome compared to borderlands because it's long and pretentious is ridiculous, but people seem to think so anyways (quantity != quality). In reality, 99.9% of video game "plots" are the same damn thing (X is going to destroy Y, go stop it) or complete rip offs of other mediums. At least Borderlands doesn't bog you down with walls of text to describe the same situation and focuses on satire of traditional games, pop culture references (last boss mentioned above is from "The Watchmen" for god's sake), and actual satisfying game play (which is horribly clunky and unenjoyable in mass effect).
#68 Jul 05 2010 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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If you completely ignore Tannis, the various competing corporations, and all of the other secondary characters and side plots, sure:


No, that's including them. They fall into the caricature category. Look dude, the game is fun to play and has a decent sense of humor, but the story is barely existent and is what is there is crap. Stop trying to see more than what's there and just enjoy the game play.
#69 Jul 05 2010 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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On the subject of borderlands, i feel really bad for that claptrap that was raped, dont know why anyone would want to rape a claptrap.
#70 Jul 05 2010 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
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On the subject of borderlands, i feel really bad for that claptrap that was raped, dont know why anyone would want to rape a claptrap.
They are lonely, desperate men.

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the story is barely existent and is what is there is crap.
My point is it's the same generic story everyone uses, including all of these game the supposedly have "amazing" plots. The only difference is gearbox made it completely immersive rather than shoving (nine) novels worth of exposition down my throat, and I appreciated that. You're there to play the game, not sit through hours of dialogue/text/CS, by choosing this style of presentation the player stays in the moment while still getting the same plot.
#71 Jul 05 2010 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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Professor shintasama wrote:
shoving (nine) novels worth of exposition down my throat


You never played DA did you. There was no shoving.
#72 Jul 05 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Professor shintasama wrote:
shoving (nine) novels worth of exposition down my throat


You never played DA did you. There was no shoving.
bullsh*t, I've beaten DA and ME, it's just one wall of text after another with crappy gameplay in between. I even beat ME twice just to see if I was missing out on anything by taking different paths, only to find out it ended up being the exact same crap. It's refreshing to have games like Borderlands that actually let you play rather than just sitting there while the game rambles on.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 4:40pm by shintasama
#73 Jul 05 2010 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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Professor shintasama wrote:
KTurner wrote:
Professor shintasama wrote:
shoving (nine) novels worth of exposition down my throat


You never played DA did you. There was no shoving.
bullsh*t, I've beaten DA and ME, it's just one wall of text after another with crappy gameplay in between. I even beat ME twice just to see if I was missing out on anything by taking different paths, only to find out it ended up being the exact same crap. It's refreshing to have games like Borderlands that actually let you play rather than just sitting there while the game rambles on.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 4:40pm by shintasama


Your definitely the minority, pal. Dont get me wrong, i really enjoy Borderlands, but you are implying Borderlands gameplay of "shoot dude in head", is significantly better than both DA and ME? I cant even take that statement seriously.

It's common knowledge that borderlands has no real story, and thats OK. The game, as is, is a fun time. It's also common knowledge that DA and ME have incredible gameplay and story.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 2:13pm by KTurner
#74 Jul 05 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Professor shintasama wrote:
KTurner wrote:
Professor shintasama wrote:
shoving (nine) novels worth of exposition down my throat


You never played DA did you. There was no shoving.
bullsh*t, I've beaten DA and ME, it's just one wall of text after another with crappy gameplay in between. I even beat ME twice just to see if I was missing out on anything by taking different paths, only to find out it ended up being the exact same crap. It's refreshing to have games like Borderlands that actually let you play rather than just sitting there while the game rambles on.
You must have one sad life if you play through 30-50 hours games you think have crappy stories and gameplay, not to mention playing one of them twice.
#75 Jul 05 2010 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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you are implying Borderlands gameplay of "shoot dude in head", is significantly better than both DA and ME?
Yes, by a huge margin.

ME's controls are clunky and obnoxious. I usually play sniper characters, but ME was soo bad that I had to result to assualt rifle/shotgun R&G.

DA on the other hand was just boring, battles usually boiled down to "can this enemy stunlock me" if the answer was "no" then I just mindlessly spammed X/Y while auto-running to the closest enemy to slaughter everything, if the answer was "yes" than there was a good chance I would just get killed without being able to do a god damn thing (yay hallway of ridiculous stunlock frustration combined with sh*tty sh*tty sh*tty camera angles!).


There were no interesting weapons in either one, I don't remember any interesting fights either, just loads of text and boringness. Overall I think ME was the better of the two, but neither was even close to how much fun it is to play borderlands.

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You must have one sad life if you play through 30-50 hours games you think have crappy stories and gameplay, not to mention playing one of them twice.
DA I did in two chunks while snowed in, pet sitting for my friends while they went out of town. ME I think I was while I was unemployed and had nothing else to do between filling out ********* of applications and waiting to hear back from people. Both of which were rentals on the recommendations of other people, and it didn't make sense to not beat them while I was paying to have them.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 6:34pm by shintasama
#76 Jul 05 2010 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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you are implying Borderlands gameplay of "shoot dude in head", is significantly better than both DA and ME?
Yes, by a huge margin.


Well that pretty much ends this discussion imo.
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