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#627 Aug 13 2013 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I haven't gotten my early access code from gamestop yet. This displeases me.

Of course, my boss decided we were having a retreat the day before launch. That also displeases me.


Is it supposed to be a separate code, or just the standard key? Cause I got my game code from GMG as soon as I bought the game (digital copy). I'm imagining I can just put that into my account when Early Access starts...
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#628 Aug 13 2013 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, that should work. Early Access registration starts the 17th. Did you go to the site and put your email address in? They're supposed to send you an email when you can enter the code, but you should be able to enter it on this site on the 17th: http://preorder.na.finalfantasyxiv.com/us
#629 Aug 13 2013 at 7:19 AM Rating: Good
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Also, their site now has this language regarding having a PS3 and PC version:
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It is possible to play with the same account on both Windows and PlayStation 3 platforms. Customers who own a copy of FFXIV for Windows and wish to use their account on the PlayStation 3 version will need to purchase a copy of the PlayStation 3 version. It will then be possible to use your characters on either platform by tying your existing service account to the PlayStation 3 version upon launching it for the first time. Similarly, customers who own a copy of FFXIV for PlayStation 3 and wish to use their account on the Windows version will need to purchase a copy of the Windows version. However, please note that your account will only be able to log into one platform at a time.
I know that we had a discussion about maybe being able to just buy the PS3 version and download the client on PC (a la FFXI), but from the language here, it seems pretty clear that you have to buy each separately. If idiggory purchased it for PS3, you could test it out after launch, since the beta client will be usable for open beta through launch. I ended up just getting the PC version. I'll grab a PS4 copy whenever that comes out.
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Ya, I don't think that one is new. We talked about that wording. The only thing I noted is that it doesn't say you have to register the additional codes on your SE Account. Which made me think that they were just saying basically legitimately obtain the software and log in with your account, you wouldn't get the software for free just because you bought the other platform.

So if you owned the PS3 version, and had a Sony account linked, etc. Played the game for months on your PS3. Then went to a friends house who happened to own the PC version, and powered up their computer and tried to log into Final Fantasy XIV... would it work?

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I think other FAQs say if you do register both the PS3 and PC codes you can play simultaneously. Which that explanation says you cannot do (but also does not mention registering additional codes).

(I still think I'm right)

Edited, Aug 13th 2013 9:50am by TirithRR
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#631 Aug 13 2013 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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I preordered the PS3 version from Gamestop and the customer service rep said they'd email me an early access code in the next few days, but nada.

I guess I'll have to call back on my lunch break or something.
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#632 Aug 13 2013 at 10:06 AM Rating: Decent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I preordered the PS3 version from Gamestop


There's the problem. Cancel and order from Amazon if you can.

With the **** Gamestop is pulling with Zenoblade chronicles, I doubt I'll ever purchase anything from them again.
#633 Aug 13 2013 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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What are they doing with Xenoblade chronicles? Other than spamming me about how I can trade it in for 48 dollars in store credit.
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#634 Aug 13 2013 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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TirithRR wrote:
What are they doing with Xenoblade chronicles? Other than spamming me about how I can trade it in for 48 dollars in store credit.


They're charging $90 for "used" copies of the game when they're the only retailer that's able to sell it.

Edited, Aug 13th 2013 12:26pm by Shaowstrike
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#635 Aug 13 2013 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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I mostly just pre-ordered it there because I was already there for another game, and hey, cloth banner. But if I can't get my code, I will.

If I was grabbing the PC version first, I would have gone digital distribution, of course.
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#636 Aug 13 2013 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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I sometimes preorder from Gamestop because the dudes at the one near me are all pretty cool, and if the price is the same as elsewhere, I like to help them keep their jobs by preordering through them.
#637 Aug 13 2013 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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I'm also going to go ahead and point out that, whatever its faults, Gamestop is probably less evil (or at least less destructive) a company than Amazon, adjusted for their sizes.
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GameStop: $90 Xenoblade Is 'Based On Current Market Value' wrote:
Why is GameStop charging $90 for Xenoblade? Because that's in line with the marketplace, they say.

Yesterday, we reported that GameStop had restocked copies of the critically-acclaimed Wii RPG and was selling them pre-owned for $90 a pop. We reached out to GameStop for comment, and they got back to us this afternoon with the following statement:

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GameStop regularly receives feedback from our PowerUp members regarding old titles they would us like to bring back, such as vintage games like Xenoblade Chronicles. We were recently able to source a limited number of copies of this title to carry in our stores and online.

In fact, we have sourced several more vintage titles that we will be hitting stores in the coming months, including Metroid Prime Trilogy.

As always, our pricing for these games is competitive and is based on current market value driven by supply and demand. PowerUp Pro members always receive a 10% discount and earn PUR podints on pre-owned purchases.


They're right: $90 is around the market value for Xenoblade, which can be found on eBay for much higher. But GameStop is the only retailer that can sell Xenoblade—their publishing deal with Nintendo ensured that. So the supply is driven by them. Make of that what you will.


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#639 Aug 13 2013 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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I'm more intrigued by them calling Xenoblade Chronicles vintage.
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#640 Aug 13 2013 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hmm I recall seeing Xenoblade Chronicles at Sam's Club a while back.
#641 Aug 13 2013 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly, I don't find the people freaking out particularly justified.

It's supply and demand. Limited supply, and a large enough demand that people will pay $80 for the game, means it'll sell.

The fact that Gamestop is currently the only retailer able to sell it has no bearing. They're the only ones able to sell it because Nintendo, the publisher, decided they were the only ones who'd be able to sell it. What do we expect Gamestop to do? Not capitalize on that fact? They're a retailer - they largely establish pricing that's approved by the publisher.

This is just people getting shocked and pissed off that a for-profit company is acting on a profit motive.

If you don't like it, and want it to stop, you need to ensure the market doesn't endorse their actions. That means no buying the $80 copies, so Gamestop doesn't see any profits from this maneuver, and all things considered making enough of a dent in Nintendo products in protest that they won't limit their distribution like this again.

Since neither of those things will happen, then yes - this IS market price.

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Lol, rate down. That's fine. It's still true. A retailer is always going to price things at the highest point they'll sell. If people will pay $80 for a game, they'll sell it for $80. If a company can manage to be the only retailer, hells yeah they're going to do that.

Now, if this was a case of Nintendo giving them new copies, with them removing the shrink wrap so they could sell them as used and thus avoid the publisher-set pricing, then it's a completely different scenario. But I haven't seen any evidence of that.

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#642 Aug 13 2013 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Now, if this was a case of Nintendo giving them new copies, with them removing the shrink wrap so they could sell them as used and thus avoid the publisher-set pricing, then it's a completely different scenario. But I haven't seen any evidence of that.

Edited, Aug 13th 2013 2:13pm by idiggory


Quote from the first link I posted:

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One GameStop source tells us the retailer printed a few thousand copies of the game with no shrink wrap in order to restock their inventory, then labeled them as pre-owned. Reached for comment, a GameStop rep told us they're looking into it. We'll update when they get back to us.


This is unproven atm, but there is a very good chance this is correct since the original run of the game had been completely sold out. Also someone is probably going to get fired.
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#643 Aug 13 2013 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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I should probably not have used the second "them."

The question here is whether or not GAMESTOP is removing the shrink wrap to void their ability to sell it as new, so they can jack up the price. Which I can only imagine would be a violation of their own contract with the publisher. That, I would take issue with.

But if Nintendo is selling them un-shrink-wrapped copies, specifically so they can sell them at used prices, then it's not on Gamestop anymore. Anyone who has a problem with the price should be angry with Nintendo, not Gamestop. And I doubt Nintendo cares, since they're probably made more money off whatever check Gamestop cut them than they would have doing an actual re-release.

TL;DR: If Nintendo sold the copies to Gamestop as used copies, I understand being angry with Nintendo. If Nintendo sold the copies to Gamestop as new copies, I understand being angry with Gamestop.

But "Gamestop is evil for selling $80 used games" isn't something I'm just going to picket for. If they manipulated the market or broke their retail agreements with Nintendo, sure. Otherwise, blame seems to be on Nintendo for this one, to the extent blame exists. And that's more to do with the fact that a publisher, as a different beast than a retailer, has to fulfill different expectations with the consumer.
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#644 Aug 13 2013 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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Apparently. the accusation is that Gamestop is reprinting the game and selling it as used.
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Reading more, it seems they were doing s promotion where they were taking two games from a list to get a new game for $10. Some of those threads have Gamestop calling people and offering $40+ for their Xenoblade copies. Given the fact that Gamestop always has a ton of used games, there's a fairly large population of people who don't realize you can get much more selling games independently, even just simply listing them on eBay. So it wouldn't be some huge surprise if they did get many copies through this promotion. Apparently Metroid Prime Trilogy was on that list as well, and they are selling that for $85 used, with no "evidence" if it being a reprint. I've bought a bunch of DS and 3DS games used, and probably half of them had unused Club Nintendo codes in their cases. I'm not saying there's no way Gamestop is scamming people here, because they do plenty of sleazy things; I'm just saying that it is possible that their Xenoblade games aren't reprints.
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Spoonless wrote:
Apparently. the accusation is that Gamestop is reprinting the game and selling it as used.
Just shooting from the hip, but sounds like an unnecessarily risky gamble for them to take. Unless they somehow got permission to do that I can't imagine it would end well.
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Apparently. the accusation is that Gamestop is reprinting the game and selling it as used.
Just shooting from the hip, but sounds like an unnecessarily risky gamble for them to take. Unless they somehow got permission to do that I can't imagine it would end well.
Well, yeah, I doubt that Gamestop is printing illegal copies, but that's how some of the accusations read. I'd assume that a reprint would have to come through Nintendo, or they would have to authorize another company to do the reprint. It'd be interesting to see if reprints would still fall under an exclusivity agreement with Gamestop.
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I still don't know what server to choose. Smiley: lol


I'm in the same boat. I might end up just picking one at random if no Zam server ends up happening.
#650 Aug 13 2013 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I have no plan as of right now.
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