+60 stamina gear - huge hp's? Worth it?Follow

I read the other day someone posting in here that he'd gone to 100% +60 stamina gear -- and he claimed he had 12k hitpoints at lvl 63!

First, 12k is ... not right (or if it is, pls show me how - is there some gear I don't know about?).

I did a calc on the green +60 gear I saw on the AH: +60 head, +46 belt, +61 pants, +49 boots, etc. And figured I could increase my hp pool by over 3,000 hit points.

I have tier 0 gear and two GM's, head and shoulders. And I have 4753 hit points (about to turn 61). Going all sta I'd have about 8,000 hit points.

But I'd lose my mana pool, my + to damage, my random chance to proc short fear, and a few other things.

Has anyone tried this out? I'm wondering if all that extra hp would be worth it (I could buy the greens for under 40g on the AH). And can a lvl 63 lock really have 12k hit points? Am I just missing how? Thx!

Edited, Feb 8th 2007 4:24pm by IponemaGirl

Don't forget Demonic Embrace (+15% sta), Fel Stamina (+3% max. health) and Improved Imp (+30% Blood Pact). There're foods for +20 sta, Sta Scrolls and things like that.
But, if it is worth... I don't think so. Low mana (even you can tap) and no +spell damage don't make me happy. I've around 6k health and it's very rare a mob who can hit me, for they're dead before they come to me (thanks to +spell damage and +crit rate). The best defense is an strong offense. At least, for me.

PS: one more thing. your minion gets your sta bonus. Prob. your VW will have also 12k health, and if he gets that much, WOW, he's a godamn tank.

Edited, Feb 8th 2007 10:52pm by phabyo

Although you're not going to soul link your imp!

I get 11k health at lvl 70, with sta buff and imp buff, still with arund +650 spell and 19% crit, and thats with 2 items with little or no stamina on them, expecting this to be higher as I get better gear later... I'd never equip an item with only stamina on it (only time i ever did what while levelling early on to balance out stats on the gear I was using), it's not worth missing the chance to add more damage along with sta,int and crit to that slot.

What good is another 1-2k or so health if your damage output is nerfed badly.

Edited, Feb 9th 2007 8:38am by mangiacapra

Currently at level 70 Im rolling around with roughly 8.2k HP, and +760 spell dmg with my pet out and soul linked (soul link spec, no felguard though). If I put on my stamina gear I can get that to about 11k HP unbuffed, but the +dmg drops to about +350-ish.

The specific spec that I am is a hybrid that most people simply dismiss since I didn't max out any tree (24/37, gives me soul link and some absurd dot dmg, I can post the specific build if anyone wants it). Despite that fact, I have tested this with both 41/9/11 and 9/41/11 builds so don't totally assume this to be an asinine opinion.

When switching to the stamina gear with soul link, my survivability goes up considerably, but my damage drops by far too much to make up for the difference. With soul link it is ultimately not worth it to use stamina only gear in my experience. With affliction spec you have enough dots to generally make up for the loss in +dmg, but at the same time you lose that damage on all your dots, again causing a dilemma.

My advice on this, based on what I have found works best for me in PvP, is to generally stack gear in the following order (based on importance): +spell dmg, +stamina, +crit, +intellect. If you're going to sacrifice a good portion of your spell dmg to get a small amount of stamina, its probably not going to benefit you much (if at all).

If you're destruction I have very little to offer you, I had a 60 mage before rolling this guy, and a 60 rogue before that. I rolled a lock with the intention of being based upon DoT style damage, rather than burst damage.

Massive +sta bonuses are really only for e-peen for locks; going for the biggest stamina gains you can will essentially leave you doing puny amounts of damage and being unable to chip away at your opponent's health fast enough. A Felguard lock has a better chance of going high-HP than any other, because the FG can do a lot of the DPS while you run around, but his own attack power will decrease a great deal as you sacrifice spelldmg.

Now for a class which can heal itself like a Druid or Paladin, massive HP makes sense; they can continually replenish that vast health pool and slowly chip you down; a Warlock has no such nuke-healing ability, and Drain Life will suck badly at low spelldmg.

Essentially, locks (imo) should simply go for 'Warlock gear', same as always; spelldmg, spellhit, spellcrit, sta. We benefit more from the stamina increase than some classes, but are hit harder by it because we use Damage over Time; keep in balance between survivability and damage and you should be fine :)

~sin

That sounds too little to me.. I'm wearing basicaly greens/blues from quest rewards and I'm 8k health, 6.5k mana. I'm also level 69 (only 200k exp tnl) and destr. warlock, so at level 70 I think I can wear better equips.
Also, that guy said he was wearing only equips "of the Stamina", which gives him higher sta bonus. Plus talents, imp's blood pact, buffs, scrolls, potions, etc, he may get over 10k health. Sure, he won't get +spell/+crit, but that wasn't the point.

Edited, Feb 13th 2007 10:22pm by phabyo

Um, ok. Nevermind the full gladiator...what would you suggest I replace the T3 with? I will be happy to swap items in the profile.

Thanks for this PriestOfSouls, if I could rate you up then I would. I made a post in that hunter thread regarding not knowing how people can get their hp so high. I would love to see a profile of someone with 11 or 12k hp. I am starting to think that when people claim those numbers, it is with the imp buff, maybe food, potion, and preist's buff rather than just the base amount plus gear.

I'm too new at this lock business to be able to create a profile with "insert gear name here" to be able to show a 5 digit hp.

Read this over, and over, and over, and over, until it sinks in.

lvl 63 with 13k health and top of charts in bgs?
if you believe that, I had a shadowfury crit for 13k last night.
Oh, and my siphon life, heals for 13k a tick.
And dont even get me started on my mount! 13000% speed increase! ITS AWESOME!

Still waiting for those screenshots..

/tap

You're not planning on raiding at all then I take it.



I'd seriously love to know how you managed to achieve this with your +166 Spell Damage and a buffed Mana pool of 4.8k.