+60 stamina gear - huge hp's? Worth it?Follow

Yeah I installed WoWreader but cant figure out anything beyond that. And yes my mana pool does hurt a bit, but i get almost 1k mana each life tap, its worth a global cooldown, since DoTs and My minion are still working away. My +spell damage is more with the Felgaurd out (209 ATM) and he has 6k health as well, making him a great tank to funnel and if he does fall, i can drain tank (the other 20 talent points are going into affliction cause im still attached to it).


to Scholar:
that screenie was in ZG and i was TANKING ( 300 nature resists on FG-then I drain tank if he falls) and I did darn good seeing as how we got all but the panther boss on our first try. so yes I am raiding.
and for PvP I am godessly. I got hit by a hoodoo pile and took out 2 ppl-almost 3 others (healing my DoTs...), and the MC debuff fell off before I got killed =P

And they (19 high lvls) knew someone was going to turn on them, I wasnt catching them all offgaurd.

my build as of now is this:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?1500220400000000000002052010133250103531301000000000000000000000
I plan on getting nightfall, and increased range as well as amplify curse. I have a habit of relying on them alot.

Edited, Feb 26th 2007 12:39pm by AAmathas

Id say for pvp or solo definitely. When you have 12k hp+ you will last much longer. If your all damage gear you will die much easier even in pvp cause of interuptions and stuns etc. However if your in a guild raid you should always wear your damage gear because your not a tank your a dps and you should do whatever you can to do your job better. Im level 70 and i have 2 sets of armor my stmaina armor gives me about 11k hp and my dps gear has about 7000 hp.

what the @#%^ does the fact that he has no BoP items have to do with the fact that he does actually have 11k HP and your cynicism was proved to be untrue? I don't agree with how he says that he out-DPS's top mages, but how you put it was extremely @#%^ing retarded.

now go @#%^ yourself with a hammer, because you arent helping anyones argument.

Edited, Mar 6th 2007 7:26am by mrclaus

correction. you can GENERATE THREAT better than a warrior. no class can TANK better than a warrior as with 'pretty good' gear from the 5man instances and maybe the odd heroic they'll have over 30% chance to block, almost 20% parry, 20% dodge along with taking less damage than us. granted if your healers are willing to spam their most mana expensive spell to keep you alive while you think it's cool to searing pain tank a mob then be my guest. i'll just choose to party with a proper party setup, clear instaces like 6 times faster than you and not wipe.

so gratz, you have your pet tanking, you're healing it so not dealing any damage yourself then the warrior is dealing some damage, only being able to maximise the dps come 20%. now if the warrior tanked, then you AND your pet can dps. and generally come 20% warriors can switch to dealing executes to finish off mobs even if they're prot spec.

trust me, you're taking longer doing it your way. just because our pets can tank doesn't mean they're good at it or it's efficient doing it.

AAmathas - /salute! You've found a strategy and set of equipment that works for your situation and it's very different from the typical warlock role. Well done. And obviously it works for your raid group, or they wouldn't have succeeded.

Don't worry about all the jealous people that couldn't believe, first that you'd accomplished what you said you did, and second that it was actually a worthy accomplishment. Thanks for posting and explaining what you've done.

i don't doubt that it can work. but the felguard (and even the voidy) still take more damage than a warrior does. they have less damage avoidance abilities and a lock using his pet in a MT role means you've just used a good ranged dps class for something it's not designed for.

now just to let you know i have tanked 5mans with my felguard and voidy for bosses but it's more of a 'lets **** around' thing to do, you really can't seriously plan on doing it in the long run.

Felguard tanking heroics... lol. That's all I can say. I know extremely good feral druids who (especially after patch) get a prot warrior to tank heroics because they can't get their damage avoidence/mitigation up high enough... I'd *really* like to see a felguard chew down 10k+ crits and live.

And while you may feel all great with your high stamina while leveling and PvP'ing, it *will*, I pretty much guarantee, be useless in raids. A lock with 5k less health but four times the +dmg is a lot more useful than one with 15k health and the same +dmg I had in crappy level 60 blues. Kinda like a shadow priest with a 50% crit rate on Mind Blast and SWD may be great in PvP, when 95% of your damage can't crit in raids, what's the point?

Finally, someone who has actually seen end game content. your felpup cant tank 10k, its not gonna happen. And what happens when you run, oh, lets say, any instance and get more than 1 mob per pull? your felpup cant Taunt, has no form of crowd control, so....while you are healing him, and your healers are healing him, what happens to the other 3-4 mobs you just pulled? they chew your healers up, and then your healers chew you out.

In raids, +dmg gear far outweighs +stamina. Period. Lets give an old school example, remember Battleguard Sartura? she hits for 1000-1200 on tanks, and 2500-3000 on clothies. Your health funnel heals for 188 a tick, so lets assume your not letting your felpup tank. You have 13k hp, +200 dmg. Your fellow guildee has 8k hp with +800 dmg. Who gets the invite?
1. Sartura enrages after 10 minutes. Do you know what the dps difference between a +200 and +800 lock will be over a 10 minute fight?
2. Your priests dont have infinite mana, they cant keep healing the real tank while you chisel away at a boss, they need him down, and the sooner the better.

This is why I dont think your style is very well suited for raids. you dont need 13k hp when you rarely take a hit, you need maximum, yet controlled, dps to end the fight as quick as possible. The longer a fight goes on, the higher the chance that something will go wrong, or someone will go /oom.


Side note to lsfreak: Quoted from the patch notes: "The base healing percent from "Vampiric Embrace" has been reduced to 15% from 20%. In addition, this ability can no longer get critical heals."
I wish they hadn't patched shadow priests heals to where they cant crit anymore, I was gettin 400 a tic with 750 crits, off vampiric embrace!

Thanks for the spriest support, but let's not hijack the thread ;D Though, as Jenovaomage said, it's the more threat that concerns me - in 5-mans I usually sit right at 125% of the tank's threat (need 130% to pull aggro), and that's with semi-crappy gear (only +600dmg) and still spending a decent amount of time wanding.

Huh? Then all the warriors you know are not using your class to it's fullest potential.

I'd be insulted if my tank insisted on me using imp all the time. Tbh an insistance like that would make me think their gear or our healer were not up to the job.

Yup, locks are not made for tanking. But neither are we just walking stamina buffs and soulstones......

Edited, Mar 9th 2007 4:15am by Tulili

first of all, I love the new Armory.

2nd, thank you AAmathas for now I know how to get that much HP. I don't think I want to, as what you described isn't my play style but its another idea that is different so go for it man and keep having fun.