I was reading some random posts and some said I shouldn`t open with aimed shot. Why? i`m lev 33 and I normaly: aspect of hawk, hunter mark, start aimed shot, send pet, pet charges (yes I have a boar XD), pet growls, Aimed hits. And no matter what I do I can`t pull aggro of my pet (not like I`m trying to though). So what`s the problem with opening with aimed. And suppose aimed IS bad for opening, what other uses does it have (because no-noob will let you cast aimed and if there frozen I prefer increasing distance by 40 yards instead of just 20, turn and aimed.
Edited, Mar 14th 2007 11:22am by frostfiremage
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I think opening with aim shot is fine. I do it all the time. If your not gettin ne agro then theres no reason why not to.
Most likely, that statement was made in regards to level 60 (now 70) characters.
At level 33, your gear is probably 80% or more greens. You're also at the low end of the level (x0-x5 being low, x6-x9 being high, if you know what I mean). This makes it easier for your pet to hold aggro as his growl is relatively more powerful. When you get closer to the end of a level set (for you, 38, 39) you'll notice you pull aggro more often, aimed shot or not. This changes and resets when you hit 40 because you learn a new growl again.
As long as you are not currently pulling aggro, there is no reason not to open with an aimed shot.
Hell, even at 60 I would solo really hard mobs using the tactic to open with Aimed, cuncussive, multi, arcane, and then feign death right away when my pet was on it, just to open with a huge burst of damage.
That technique is made even more viable with the addition of Misdirection at 70, and you don't even need to feign death!
In the long run, the advice given in forum posts is usually just that: advice. Not set in stone rules. If it works for you, stick to it. But generally, the advice is given based on factual experience.
Edited, Mar 14th 2007 10:59am by striveldt
At level 33, your gear is probably 80% or more greens. You're also at the low end of the level (x0-x5 being low, x6-x9 being high, if you know what I mean). This makes it easier for your pet to hold aggro as his growl is relatively more powerful. When you get closer to the end of a level set (for you, 38, 39) you'll notice you pull aggro more often, aimed shot or not. This changes and resets when you hit 40 because you learn a new growl again.
As long as you are not currently pulling aggro, there is no reason not to open with an aimed shot.
Hell, even at 60 I would solo really hard mobs using the tactic to open with Aimed, cuncussive, multi, arcane, and then feign death right away when my pet was on it, just to open with a huge burst of damage.
That technique is made even more viable with the addition of Misdirection at 70, and you don't even need to feign death!
In the long run, the advice given in forum posts is usually just that: advice. Not set in stone rules. If it works for you, stick to it. But generally, the advice is given based on factual experience.
Edited, Mar 14th 2007 10:59am by striveldt
Thx for the help, although now I want to know why higher lev people say you shouldn`t open with aimed. is it meaby because you will do so much damage that a charge and a growl won`t pull aggro anymore? that has to be some sick damage!
At 70 with mainly quest reward gear (well hell, go look at the armory and see what I have if you want) my aimed shots hit for about 1600 on average, though I have critted for 2900. That is certainly enough to prevent my cat/boar from holding aggro.
It isn't that you can't open with it. It's that life will usually be better for you if you don't.
It isn't that you can't open with it. It's that life will usually be better for you if you don't.
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All QFT, I by no means have good gear and have seen 3200 crit; mob will come at me. Once you get misdirection though you can put it on pet and open up with it if you like.
Misdirection on tank in group FTW as well.
Misdirection on tank in group FTW as well.
Yeah, I generally open with Aimed simply because I know I can kite extremely well and my pet is only level 60. FD works as well, but kiting is more fun for me. 
Thx again. What do you guys use aimed for then?
Aimed shot has a few uses these days. Since the change where it interrupts your shot cycle, it is no longer used in the rotation (if you don't know what I mean by that, don't worry about it).
When you spot that clothy out in the world, starting with an aimed shot is a great way to knock off a chunk of health fast...if he doesn't see you first.
Once you get Misdirection at 70 (transfers the aggro from your next three successful shots to a target in your raid that you designate) I like to open boss fights or other tough mob fights with an aimed shot (then arcane and multi if possible) to stake up aggro on the tank right away.
Other than that, because of it's longer cast time, it isn't nearly as useful as it used to be.
Right now, with my bow, it's really a gamble. Since my bow has damage from something like 119-190 (about that range, but I dunno real numbers) I might hit for 3000, i might hit for 1500. A weapon with a more narrow higher range will yield better results.
Also, for killing snakes/bettles/squirrels and the like, aimed shot is just fun. Or to see if you can one shot that level 40 mage.
When you spot that clothy out in the world, starting with an aimed shot is a great way to knock off a chunk of health fast...if he doesn't see you first.
Once you get Misdirection at 70 (transfers the aggro from your next three successful shots to a target in your raid that you designate) I like to open boss fights or other tough mob fights with an aimed shot (then arcane and multi if possible) to stake up aggro on the tank right away.
Other than that, because of it's longer cast time, it isn't nearly as useful as it used to be.
Right now, with my bow, it's really a gamble. Since my bow has damage from something like 119-190 (about that range, but I dunno real numbers) I might hit for 3000, i might hit for 1500. A weapon with a more narrow higher range will yield better results.
Also, for killing snakes/bettles/squirrels and the like, aimed shot is just fun. Or to see if you can one shot that level 40 mage.
I believe it was me who said it. It doesn't matter much at low levels, but when you start amassing a crit rate that packs a punch, you'll also notice more and more Aimed Shot crits.
I run a threat meter when I play, so I can keep an eye on pet aggro. I'm a Beast Mastery Hunter meaning I focus on pet damage, thus my pet is better at holding aggro and generating threat. Yet, there's only about 200 threat between us when I'm questing and holding back on my shots. 200 threat = 200 damage. If I fire an extra Arcane Shot, or if a Steady Shot crits, I'll pull aggro from my pet.
Fortunately, as a Beast Mastery Hunter, I have abilities to lose aggro, or give my pet more threat, mainly through Intimidate. But if I, as a Beast Mastery Hunter, is 200 damage away from pulling aggro, what would an Aimed Shot crit do? If my opening shot, instead of being an 800 Arcane Shot crit was a 2,300 Aimed Shot crit, what would my threat look like? It would spike and I would grab aggro.
Feign Death, Disengage etc., but I would lose DPS on it. I prefer doing steady damage, keeping the threat balance with my pet and saving Aimed Shot (once I get it) for PvP situations. A 2,600 Aimed Shot crit is much more needed in PvP situations than any PvE situation I can think of, save Misdirecting crits in end-game instances.
Not to mention Aimed Shot costs a bucketload of mana.
Edited, Mar 14th 2007 3:16pm by Mazra
I run a threat meter when I play, so I can keep an eye on pet aggro. I'm a Beast Mastery Hunter meaning I focus on pet damage, thus my pet is better at holding aggro and generating threat. Yet, there's only about 200 threat between us when I'm questing and holding back on my shots. 200 threat = 200 damage. If I fire an extra Arcane Shot, or if a Steady Shot crits, I'll pull aggro from my pet.
Fortunately, as a Beast Mastery Hunter, I have abilities to lose aggro, or give my pet more threat, mainly through Intimidate. But if I, as a Beast Mastery Hunter, is 200 damage away from pulling aggro, what would an Aimed Shot crit do? If my opening shot, instead of being an 800 Arcane Shot crit was a 2,300 Aimed Shot crit, what would my threat look like? It would spike and I would grab aggro.
Feign Death, Disengage etc., but I would lose DPS on it. I prefer doing steady damage, keeping the threat balance with my pet and saving Aimed Shot (once I get it) for PvP situations. A 2,600 Aimed Shot crit is much more needed in PvP situations than any PvE situation I can think of, save Misdirecting crits in end-game instances.
Not to mention Aimed Shot costs a bucketload of mana.
Edited, Mar 14th 2007 3:16pm by Mazra
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
When grinding/leveling My pet (now level 36 YAY!!) I start with sending my pet in, then cast Hunter's Mark, then Serpent Sting, then Aimed Shot, as I like to burn the mob down fast so that on the rare occasions my pet keeps aggro (I know, a level 29 pig held aggro on a level 65 Clefthoof Bull... WTF??), he doesn't die, meaning he still gets his bar (yeah he gets a full bubble per kill) of XP. Usualling following Aimed (now that the mob is coming to me) I instantly cast Conc. Shot, followed by Arcane, then Multi, and the mob is usually dead by then.
However when using My Bird or My Scorp, I take it a little slower, as they have the Health/Armor to back it up (with them both sitting at 68), so I just do the normal Arcane/Steady/Auto/Steady rotation till mob inevitably dies.
However when using My Bird or My Scorp, I take it a little slower, as they have the Health/Armor to back it up (with them both sitting at 68), so I just do the normal Arcane/Steady/Auto/Steady rotation till mob inevitably dies.
i normally sick pet hunters mark put the AotH and then arcane concus and if i dont have aggro throw in an aimed and for the most part the thing is dead i rarly have to do more then that..then again im only lvl 28 lol
frostfiremage wrote:
Thx for the help, although now I want to know why higher lev people say you shouldn`t open with aimed. is it meaby because you will do so much damage that a charge and a growl won`t pull aggro anymore? that has to be some sick damage!
hunters if done right deffinately qualify as "sick damage" so ya. it gets alot harder for the pet to hold agro. mine did till I hit about 2200 ranged ap and now the poor guy doesn't have a chance.
I used to avoid it to save me the trouble of kiting as it is not efficient for grinding.
Now that my gear is very good I often don't use my pet at all, open with aimed, multi, arcane and steady and the mob is usually dead by then or 1-2 melee hits away from death :P
Now that my gear is very good I often don't use my pet at all, open with aimed, multi, arcane and steady and the mob is usually dead by then or 1-2 melee hits away from death :P
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Well I would just like to say that I use aimed quite a bit during longer boss fights and as an opener. My pet hasn't reached 70 yet so I pull aggro from time to time but typically it isn't a problem. I'm going to assume that once my pet reaches 70 and gets the new growl I'll have even less of a problem with aggro there is one time when I don't open with aimed and thats on boss fights..I may use it a bit into the fight but the tank doesn't appreciate having to run after the mob if the shot gets too high and makes the mob angry at you lol. But on a side note....I wish I could crit to 3k and above...my gear isn't THAT bad but I have only seen around 2.5k =(...Oh yea..anyone able to tell me how to make it so it only has my name to click on for the armory? I'm totally new to that sorta thing =\
Edited, Mar 30th 2007 5:20am by Emries
Edited, Mar 30th 2007 5:20am by Emries
K, growl will get better with the next rank. With your current AP your pet should have no problems with holding aggro.
As for aimed shot. If you want to make your tank happy, then open boss fights with aimed shot but use misdirection beforehand. If you want to make him more happy, try to add a nice multishot and distracting shot as the next two attacks.
Afterwards stop using aimed shot. It does inferior damage and costs a ton of mana (since it has a very long cast time and resets autoshot timer). Try spamming steady shot instead and if the fight is short enough (so that you'll have no mana problems) you can weave some arcane shots or multi shots in between.
Hunters since 2.0 still do a ton of damage, however gone are the times where we constantly could see very large numbers. Nowadays the numbers are quite smaller, but occur much more often *g* (at least until your doing raid content with > 2.6k RAP where the numbers get bigger again, man there you can build aggro very fast).
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Edited, Mar 30th 2007 2:09pm by Mulgrin
Edited, Mar 30th 2007 2:10pm by Mulgrin
As for aimed shot. If you want to make your tank happy, then open boss fights with aimed shot but use misdirection beforehand. If you want to make him more happy, try to add a nice multishot and distracting shot as the next two attacks.
Afterwards stop using aimed shot. It does inferior damage and costs a ton of mana (since it has a very long cast time and resets autoshot timer). Try spamming steady shot instead and if the fight is short enough (so that you'll have no mana problems) you can weave some arcane shots or multi shots in between.
Hunters since 2.0 still do a ton of damage, however gone are the times where we constantly could see very large numbers. Nowadays the numbers are quite smaller, but occur much more often *g* (at least until your doing raid content with > 2.6k RAP where the numbers get bigger again, man there you can build aggro very fast).
EDIT: forgot to answer your question concerning links.
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Edited, Mar 30th 2007 2:09pm by Mulgrin
Edited, Mar 30th 2007 2:10pm by Mulgrin
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Yea I just got misdirection since I just hit 70 yesterday so I haven't really used it much except in playing around. Thanks for the link information...trying it out now...just hope I don't mess it up too much =P
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