Warlocks need tougher armorFollow

I said this just the other day.

Warlocks should at least be able to move up to leather armor at 40. Other spellcasters like druids and shamen can use leather, so why not warlocks? Warlocks can use swords, after all, so doesn't that make them something of a warrior class mage?

Warlock armor ratings suck. It makes soloing very difficult. When venturing into new areas or facing multiple MOBs, an unfortunate number of my encounters end up looking like the bunny fight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

"Run away! Run away!"



Edited, Mar 28th 2007 6:50pm by sanguinivorous

It would be nice to have better armour, but until then you have to go MD and go soul link plus the other damage reduction talents.

A warlock's armour is his demon. Its highly unlikely that we will get better than cloth, as with Soul-link etc we will be to hard to kill. Would be nice, but I can already hear the outcry :)

Tho I agree it sucks when a rogue is able to eye gouge/backstab your ***, its pretty much game over same too if a warrior/pally can charge and stun you. That said, you just need to get a fear off and the situation is reversed.

To deal with rogues, I find a felhunter is best thanks to its "paranoia" (increased invisibilty detction) buff. So long as ther isn't too many rogues (ie more than 1 LOL) I can get a fear off and then make short work of the rogue. The felhunter's spell-lock tends to help with paladins as well or was it warriors (not sure) as I've found with it out I'm not getting stunned as much when charged. Tho a few of the warrior/pally's abilities are countered by the felhunter so I am able to give as good as I get.

After playing PVP a bit in the BGs, you really need to fight on the outskirts of a battle. The only class I would recommend going up against at close quarters is a hunter, since they'll make short work of you at range, fear the pet or charm the hunter and kill the pet. Other casters are easy with a felhunter out, so care not for them (Curse of Tongues :) ).

If you want to be able to take on more than one, go a Demo build (Stamina boost + Soul link) or if you want to take down quickly go destro (I recommend having lots of +dmg gear tho as by itself its not enough).

Someone mentioned this in another thread and is something to think about:
"Fel Domination + Master Summoner is probably my most appreciated talent when the **** hits the fan. Voidwalker to Succubus in 0.5 seconds (Not to mention the option of a bubble)." So in either situation (pally/rogue/hunter+pet) you may get stunned, but if u can sac the voidy u'll then be able to prevent being re-stunned and then get the succy out to charm the ally player and line up a couple dots + fear, then make short work of them. As far as the hunter+pet, this will give you a chance to fear the pet AND charm the hunter, get up close to the hunter, dot, dot, dot, re-fear pet and finish off the hunter. The bubble makes this easier to accomplish thanks to the cat not being able to interupt your casting.

Edited, Mar 28th 2007 9:06pm by pengoz

There is also an audible alert, and i'll take an extra 1 sec over 0 sec.. as it gives me that much more time to get the fear off and make you take a dirt nap. Otherwise i'll be taking a dirt nap ;)

BTW i'm a 49 orc lock, so I'm commenting from that perspective.

I did my own testing in BG and found without the felhound out I was getting picked off by rogues alot more than when I didn't have him out. Also the felhound helps that much better against paladins and mages too... So its a versatile pet to have out during PVP and not having to summon pets constantly, is shard efficient. As I'm destro build I need shards for soulfile/shadowburn. I don't always gets a chance for a drain soul or to cast a shadowburn with it killing the target within 5sec.

Edited, Mar 28th 2007 11:59pm by pengoz

"My staff hit for 160-213 and another 75-150 fire stone, but that is not enough."
is this a joke post?

if you hit someone at all with your staff you deserve to lose..

Holy ************* **** dude your staff hits for ~200 on other players? Mine hits for Dodge, Parry, Block, Miss, 1-10damage. And I don't use Firestone.

This thread is a joke, right?

- "I do not last in melee" read: I do not know how to use my spells.
- "My staff hits for X" you shouldn't even know what your staff hits for, as you will never ever use it. Your skill should be close to 1, except for the few misclicks you make on your way to 70.
- "Other spellcasters like druids and shaman..." ever heard of mages and SPriests? And do not compare us to druids and shaman, totally different worlds.
- "Facing multiple mobs... Run away Run away!" if there is anything we are good at, it's facing multiple mobs, pet on one, fear on two, kill three, two, one. Get to know your skills.
- "I would rather see warlocks be able to use shields" I would rather dual wield laser guns, almost as likely :)

Sorry for being so harsh, but be honest: let's end this thread right here...

Hmm, as much as I would like to say that we should get an armor upgrade, I realized that we really don't need an armor upgrade. We are casters, we have fear, drain life, a pet that can take aggro (or that can serve as an annoyance to opposing players in PvP), some really nasty damage over time spells, fear, drain life, some particularly deadly direct damage spells, and fear and drain life.

Granted, my perspectives might change when I hit level 70, but the only classes that really give me a hard time are classes that can insta-heal and/or dispel my DoTs. I don't need extra armor because I stay the heck out of melee range, and my insta-cast Howl of Terror does a good job of keeping everyone away. The only time that I purposely take a beating is when I'm drain tanking. With my armor buff I have around 22% damage reduction (not including a relatively decent evasion rate), mobs around my level hit me for around 70 damage per second, and I'm draining life at 90+ damage per second plus my siphon life which ticks periodically for 45'ish damage. I usually leave my PvE battles with more health than I started with, and with PvP its very much the same.

What I would suggest is; AVOID MELEE COMBAT AT ALL COSTS. In battlegrounds, stick with your teammates, DoT up all of the opposing players and then play a game of keep away by juggling them with fear. If you do get into a situation where you have no choice but to get into melee combat; DON'T MELEE, USE DRAIN LIFE INSTEAD. If the player that your fighting is DoT'ed up and your using Drain Life, even with him beating on you, you will most likely survive the fight. Drain life is insanely powerful, especially against players with slow attack speeds -- if your Drain Life doesn't get interrupted, you will probably win the fight with more health than you started out with.

Well... you are not supposed to melee anything with a staff in a BG as a warlock. I do not have a lot of experience playing a warlock in a BG (I have a lot of experience in BG in general though, having reached rank 14 with a shaman) but what you need is a pet and the ability of CC'ing your opponent. A lot of warlocks I see use the imp in BG... quite stupid decision imho. I usually keep succubus or felhunter out (felhunter is useful when fighting priests as he can purge their PwS and purge your SwP). Then you can seduce, cast something that hurts, fear, dot, nuke and fear again if necessary... remember you have also death coil which can be quite useful in pvp (even if the 2 mins cooldown is annoying). Also, having a lot of stamina and a lot of spell damage helps. I hope you put some useful enchant on your staff and not "beastslaying because it glows" :)

Oh! My advice come from a full destro warlock, probably our demo/affliction friends have to play different but just DO NOT MELEE!

And no, I don't think we need tougher armor... we are strong enough as we are. We don't want to be unkillable or the game becomes boring (at least from my point of view).

Edited, Mar 29th 2007 5:34am by stefax

Agreed.

Let's enjoy what we have instead of calling nerfs on other classes and buffs on ours.

Oh btw, if you want to see how a warlock can kill players in pvp, search warcraftmovies.com... there are two good locks on my server (one alliance and one horde) that made nice pvp movies. Look for Ashen (alliance) or Solkaner (horde). They will NEVER hit anything with their staff/sword/whatever they have.

You people need to get lives if you're all so threatened by somebody with a difference of opinion. Don't worry. We're just shooting the breeze. Nobody will change your precious little game based on what's said here.

(pats their dense little heads)

Those of you who think warlocks should NEVER use their weapons are beyond retarded. Seriously, if just standing behind other players and repeatedly casting spells equals good game play to you, then by all means save yourself the money you're spending on Warcraft every month and just have one of your friends (if you have any that aren't exclusively on line) jingle their car keys in front of your face whenever they see you. You should find that just as entertaining.

Just a few comments.

Our closest analog is the mage. Not a warrior, not a shaman, not a druid.

We already can augment our armor with a spell.

With Demon Armor, a minion, and stamina-rich gear we are already much hardier than magi.

WoW already has caster/warrior hybrids. Warlocks are something different. If you want to cast spells and whack things with a staff, that would be a shaman.

Most of all, warlocks are not currently underpowered.

All of you warlocks that hit anything, fail at playing the class and need to reroll.