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#27 Mar 30 2007 at 1:41 AM Rating: Decent
Now I know why I cannot melee stuff! My high warlord spellblade cannot hit that much :P besides jokes, even if locks had leather armor they would never survive a close combat vs a warrior, rogue or melee shaman. Each class has been made to be played according to certain strategies. Warlock/mages/shadow priests are NOT supposed to melee anything. If you'd try that technique vs my shaman (even when you hit 60) you'd be dead in really no time and the same would happen if you get too close to any rogue/warrior/hunter. That because they are supposed to get close to their target, you are not. If you keep doing that you will NEVER survive any fight... not even 1v1 (but you already admitted that). Start learning to keep your target at distance, CC him and so on... and you will see that things will go way better.
#28 Mar 30 2007 at 1:58 AM Rating: Decent
You are right for everything but hunters, you need to get up in the hunter's face (and cast ya spells) or else if you fight a hunter at range their range damage bonus will make short work of you.
#29 Mar 30 2007 at 2:02 AM Rating: Decent
Mmmm Mages in Plate taking steriods would be kinda cool to see
(A Mage with Plate Armor and has alot of stamina/hp)
#30 Mar 30 2007 at 2:37 AM Rating: Decent
True, why I put hunters there is beyond me...
#31 Mar 31 2007 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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I just hit 50 with my second lock, and after spending a fair amount of time bg'ing (I like to have all the pvp gear for my level) all I can say is learn how to play a lock. There is not a single class that can best me in 1on1 combat, and when outnumbered I can usually last long enough for the cavalry to arive. Unless of course I get jumped by 4-5 guys, in which case I light up a cig and wait to rez. If you're afflic spec, the moment you get charged/stunned/whatever start spamming HoT. If not, then jump-spin DC or use succy to seduce and try to put some distance between you and the offender.

If you want to give your armor a good little boost, then get the pvp gear. Going from 40 armor green feet to 100 defiler's boots is a definite improvement. I also put the highest level armor kit on whatever I'm wearing. Right now I'm at the point that I will often off-tank mobs during instances, and in pvp sometimes I'll dispense with fear altogether and just drain tank whoever is hitting me to death. I just think it's hilarious to watch them run/jump circles around me thinking they're making it harder for me to hit them with spells while my drain life keeps me auto-targeted.
#32 Mar 31 2007 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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double post

Edited, Mar 31st 2007 8:28pm by AdmiralZheng
#33 Mar 31 2007 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
I have to agree, on a 1on1 situation I really have only found Paladins to be a problem thanks to their bubble + purge. Unstable Affliction would sure come in handy at lvl50 but unfortunately I'm lvl49 and a destro lock.

One thing I do find annoying is when I get hit by say a hunter's pet, I get interupted when trying to cast a instant spell.. Now I thought if something is instant, you couldn't get interrupted heh.

Also thank god for deathcoil, last night on AB I wasn't able to get a fear off on a rogue but eventually was able to get a deathcoil off. Which allowed me to get a fear off and then I was able to make short work of the rogue. If it wasn't for the deathcoil that allowed me to cast spells, I'd have been taking a dirt nap.

I just wonder if affliction spec, if you spam siphon life on about 5 players along with COA + Corruption (since they are instant) how long you would survive while draining life on one of them and say 2 ally is beating down on ya?

Edited, Mar 31st 2007 8:40pm by pengoz
#34 Mar 31 2007 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
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stefax wrote:
A lot of warlocks I see use the imp in BG... quite stupid decision imho.


That's funny...because I won't use anything BUT my imp in bg, and I'm always one of the top 5, usually first or second place. I'm afflic spec, so I use it for dark pact, and the extra stam is a huge bonus since all of my gear is focused on +damage. It gives me that extra lasting power, especially again annoying *** paladins that like to dispel everything I cast on them. Eventually they run out of mana though, and the quick regen rate of my imp gives me enough to get that final round of dots off on them.
#35 Mar 31 2007 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
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pengoz wrote:
I just wonder if affliction spec, if you spam siphon life on about 5 players along with COA + Corruption (since they are instant) how long you would survive while draining life on one of them?


Pretty long...until they realize what you're up to and turn you into public enemy #1. Usually happens right about when you start spamming shadowtrance SB's =P
#36 Mar 31 2007 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah the IMP can be quite good, either for the stam boost plus a mana battery or else if demon spec can be a 1sec fireball throwing monster that boosts ya dps.

Admiral, since you are affliction spec why not cast UA on them?
#37 Mar 31 2007 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh I will...but I just hit 50 with this toon, so I gotta wait till 59 to bg again. But then I plan on really having some fun.
#38 Mar 31 2007 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
Hey Admiral whats ya locks name? I wouldn't mind checking out your stats to see if I'm fearing alright as far as equipment :)

Heres mine:
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&n=Pengo
#39 Mar 31 2007 at 10:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Heh...cool site. This is me right now:
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Shattered+Hand&n=Devihm
I went with the dreamweave instead of the voodoo mask because I aoe a lot with a pally in my guild so I wanted the extra fire damage. But as you can see, I like my +damage. It's worked out well so far, so yeh :P
#40 Apr 01 2007 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent

What I think is ridiculous is that even with my last rank of demon armor, and top-notch non-heroic instance gear my Imp has more than 500 armor more than I do :_D


What I really think we need is for blizzard to "fix" outland equipment so that we warlocks can once again benefit from a larger life pool than most other classes, that was one of our strengths which has been blown to dust since TBC. It is ridiculous that we are supposed to be "hardy" casters and any mage's Hp and survivavility is equal or greater to ours (twice or thrice what ours is if Ice).
#41 Apr 02 2007 at 12:54 AM Rating: Decent
AdmiralZheng wrote:
stefax wrote:
A lot of warlocks I see use the imp in BG... quite stupid decision imho.


That's funny...because I won't use anything BUT my imp in bg, and I'm always one of the top 5, usually first or second place. I'm afflic spec, so I use it for dark pact, and the extra stam is a huge bonus since all of my gear is focused on +damage. It gives me that extra lasting power, especially again annoying *** paladins that like to dispel everything I cast on them. Eventually they run out of mana though, and the quick regen rate of my imp gives me enough to get that final round of dots off on them.


Well I said that based on my experience with my shaman... if locks have succi out I am dead, if they have imp out... well the stamina buff is not very useful... just tremor, stormstrike... usually WF procs (even twice) taking away about 2.5k hp each swing (I am talking about lvl 60's... shaman with full rank 14 gear + BWL rings/trinkets and therazane link). It's a matter of seconds before the lock is dead. The KB list is not a very good indication of how good a player is. A lock going around spamming SB is enough to top the KB list. Of course getting the KB after a full fight is a different matter.
#42 Apr 02 2007 at 8:56 PM Rating: Decent
We should be allowed to wear plate just so we can once again be overpowered. :P


Seriously, if we had any more armor, people will start complaining that we are too strong, even if it was leather. Locks HAVE to be squishies for balancing.


I didn't read the previous posts, only the first one, so i might be repeating whats already been said.
#43 Apr 03 2007 at 10:19 PM Rating: Decent
Capitolg wrote:
Play the warlock like you want, it is your 15$ a mo, but when you call others "Dense" you come out looking like you are implying that your way is the only way.


I never said people shouldn't play however they want to play.

All I said was that...

a) ...people's reactions to my little bit of wishful thinking regarding leather armor were completely f'ing overblown (not to mention rude), which they were, and...

b) ...that I found the idea of doing nothing but hiding behind other players and casting spells over and over again to be boring and a waste of time.

I believe you want to address your remarks to the "you have no business getting involved in melee at all" people.




Edited, Apr 4th 2007 1:37am by sanguinivorous
#44 Apr 04 2007 at 6:03 AM Rating: Decent
warlocks dont need better armor they have a voidwalker which has the armor and lots of health yes in pvp they focus on you not the pet if warlock could wear leather they would be massivly overpowered due to the fact that they do massive damage and can take a lot of damage plus if one clothy all the sudden gets to wear leather that would mean that mages would want the same thing we are both squishy we just have to live with it both locks and mages do lots of dps but we just cant take much damage thats just how we are and i dont think blizz will ever change it.
#45 Apr 04 2007 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent

Even if I DO get the chance to fear, chances are a Ice Mage still has way better survivavility than me.

Blizzard, give us warlocks our Stamina advantage back !
#46 Apr 04 2007 at 1:30 PM Rating: Decent
I dont think they need more armor, imp demon/fel armor and soul link are all the armor they really need.
#47 Apr 04 2007 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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What I really think we need is for blizzard to "fix" outland equipment so that we warlocks can once again benefit from a larger life pool than most other classes, that was one of our strengths which has been blown to dust since TBC. It is ridiculous that we are supposed to be "hardy" casters and any mage's Hp and survivavility is equal or greater to ours (twice or thrice what ours is if Ice).

You have a pet, opposed to a mage. And ice mages have a pet for 45 seconds once every 3 minutes.
Your pet doesn't give you survivability ?

You have a pet no matter the build but mages have to be 41 in frost to have one.
Please don't compare these clases, you are obviously biased.
#48 Apr 05 2007 at 1:33 AM Rating: Decent
HellpainsixDsix wrote:
Am I not playing my lock correctly?

You answered your own question.
Warlocks DON'T need any better armor, in fact, we could play naked it won't matter.
First, we're supposed to be powned by few classes, as every class in the game. At PvP we have flaws, of course, and we need learn how to compensate them. If you're dying too much that's because you lack of warlock skillplay. We have ALOT health (I'm over 9k unbuffed), deal ALOT damage, have SEVERAL sweet spells and talents and we can kill most of the classes. You'll be owned by rogues, hunters and feral druids, but I bet you can kill warriors, mages and priests with your eyes closed. Also, I can't, seriously, think any warlock going melee to kill mobs or players. Maybe you should re-roll a melee char?
We don't need better armor. If we get in close quarter battle, we will prob. die. I play a destro warlock, I burn mobs and players before they can even get close to me, my only problem is against players who can stealth (rogues/feral druids) or attack from very far (hunters). And even against those, I can seduce them (with a succubus) or sacrifice the voidwalker for sweet 3800 shield, allowing me to deal with any player. Plus the HealthStone. Who need anything else??
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