I just can't seem to get around Cloak of Shadows. Nothing I have can keep them away. Curse of Ex. doesn't work they just CoS > Sprint and I'm dead. Not only that they stunlock as well, so I can't attack/cast. I try fearing, but they kick or gouge me. I don't ALWAYS have my Succubus out and sometimes they can resist giving them another 1.5seconds to kill me and if they resist again it's another 1.5seconds. I don't know how to get around it. I was in a 50minute battleground and keep going up against rogues and I keep trying different things, but they didn't seem to work. Any advice on this? I'm not saying nerf it, but this ability is alot harder than most I have to get around. I can't avoid rogues because I can't see them.
Edited, Mar 30th 2007 1:24am by doodlewarlock
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death coil the rogue immeditly and put as much distance as u can. CoE him and corruption then keep running. If he pops cloak/sprint by time he gets to u it should be wearing off in which case u can either instant Howl if u have it, seduce, or CoE redott and run. after poping cloak hes only got 3.5 sec to work with basicly immune. 3.5 sec to try and run to u and kill u.
keep trying to seduce while hes in shadows, ive gotten a few off before in arenas and it saved my life.
keep trying to seduce while hes in shadows, ive gotten a few off before in arenas and it saved my life.
Blizzard is ******* retarded. Curses are removed as well as Magic by Cloak of Shadows. It's really gay.
=O really? Never thought of that one. Thanks I'll try it out.
if u are an engeneer u can try and use the net gun on them.. ( dunno if it works on lvl 70 since im not an engineer.. not any more... )....
if u are a tailor.. the net u get past 300 ( dunno that skil lvl exactly..(trying to get to it ^^ ) ) u can use that on them to root them for 10 sec... ...
now .. i dunno but i think that a good bomb with stun efect should stop a CoS rogue in his tracks for 3 sec .. enough fro the CoS to dissapear.. ( im thinkng this its not magic effect nor skill(beside engeneering skil :P )... its ... smething else.. bou as stated i'm not shure.. i want a second oppinion on this one
.. another thing that i can come up.. .. try an invisibility potion.. in theory craft.. u cant hit what u cant see.. so use that when he uses CoS...
any others?... and pls critiques me where i am wrong
if u are a tailor.. the net u get past 300 ( dunno that skil lvl exactly..(trying to get to it ^^ ) ) u can use that on them to root them for 10 sec... ...
now .. i dunno but i think that a good bomb with stun efect should stop a CoS rogue in his tracks for 3 sec .. enough fro the CoS to dissapear.. ( im thinkng this its not magic effect nor skill(beside engeneering skil :P )... its ... smething else.. bou as stated i'm not shure.. i want a second oppinion on this one
.. another thing that i can come up.. .. try an invisibility potion.. in theory craft.. u cant hit what u cant see.. so use that when he uses CoS...
any others?... and pls critiques me where i am wrong
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try an invisibility potion
Pretty sure you need to be out of Combat for them to work, as well as a pricy solution. Tailor nets are a little costly solution too. If we are not concerned by cost(I know I am) then swiftness pots will make sure sprint dose not "Work as Planed". The Nifty stopwatch will do the same thing, but only once in a while due to the cooldown.
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after poping cloak hes only got 3.5 sec to work with basicly immune. 3.5 sec to try and run to u and kill u.
Bingo, the trick to CoS is not some reagent, or special peice of gear, even a ingame spell, it is knowlage. The solution posted is "Do Able" but requires you to have the same build as that poster and I. it takes CoEx and Instant HoT to solve the issue, yet other specs have diffrent ways, for example a demo lock would use the felguards intercept, or just Run like the diccons.
CoS is on a cooldown, much like folks breate eazy right after DC, they know it wont come for a few more moments, well be the same with CoS, after they pop it they have the advantage, but they cant use it again for a while.
I have never had me fel pup eat CoS, but I realy like the idea, unfortuanly you have to have a unbuffed rogue for you to "Know" CoS will be eaten.
Use a FAP to get out of the stun, and a LIP to wait it out.
the tailoring net only lasts 3 seconds and its on a 1 min CD. I save one just for CloS
Funny, this reminds me of when Beastial Wrath first came out. I remember being in AV and a big, red Broken Tooth comes at me - fear, fear - "immune???"
For days I didn't know what to do. I was SM/ruin, so I'd charge the hunter - dotting and doing all the insta-casts on him I could - either SP or wand. I'd often get the hunter (my sta gear > his agi gear and low hps) -- but this was AV - and moving up to get at hunter meant I usually died soon after - I was exposed to his buddies.
THEN I figured out what to do: run. Big red honkin cat coming at me? Run!
CoW it and run. I'd get hurt a little, but I'd either pull the cat out of range of hunter, causing it to auto-dismiss - or force him to pull it off me and put it on another - or force hunter to chase me into my sides' lines, where meleers would kill him in seconds.
Invariably hunter would be forced to put his pet on someone else, then I'd turn and come back and get him as "unstoppable" was wearing off.
Anyway, when a class has an overpowering ability - the solution is to not just look for it, ANTICIPATE when they will cast it - and avoid the rogue while he's got the upper hand. Do what the above people say (and we might have to work out more). It's a drag that it might take consumables to beat them, but such is war. Rouges can click out of nets - and gnome rogues can double click out of nets. Keep that in mind. Things cast on YOU they can't click out of.
For days I didn't know what to do. I was SM/ruin, so I'd charge the hunter - dotting and doing all the insta-casts on him I could - either SP or wand. I'd often get the hunter (my sta gear > his agi gear and low hps) -- but this was AV - and moving up to get at hunter meant I usually died soon after - I was exposed to his buddies.
THEN I figured out what to do: run. Big red honkin cat coming at me? Run!
CoW it and run. I'd get hurt a little, but I'd either pull the cat out of range of hunter, causing it to auto-dismiss - or force him to pull it off me and put it on another - or force hunter to chase me into my sides' lines, where meleers would kill him in seconds.
Invariably hunter would be forced to put his pet on someone else, then I'd turn and come back and get him as "unstoppable" was wearing off.
Anyway, when a class has an overpowering ability - the solution is to not just look for it, ANTICIPATE when they will cast it - and avoid the rogue while he's got the upper hand. Do what the above people say (and we might have to work out more). It's a drag that it might take consumables to beat them, but such is war. Rouges can click out of nets - and gnome rogues can double click out of nets. Keep that in mind. Things cast on YOU they can't click out of.
I usually use Netherweave Nets against CloS rogues, I carry several of them around just for that, it usually wastes up almost all of their CloS, but then... they can Vanish, Sprint or Shadowstep out of it.
Thats one thing that pisses me off, if the rogue wants you dead, you will end up dead. So many CD he can use it is impossible for you to counter them all, bah....
I thought maybe if I posted my build you guys might be able to help me out abit more. So here it is:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?1502222512201110000002050030133250100501300000000000000000000000
I pretty much always have my Felhunter out, but in certain situations I'll pop Fel Domination to get that .5 second cast.
I do my best to use Curse of Exhaustion to kite then while Corruption and Siphon life slowly kill them off. I re-apply as need and when I know I have enough space I through in ShadowBolts, Immolates, or Searing Pains.
I never used my Professions at all. So I guess I should start leveling them up. At the moment I have Tailoring (crafting robes and what not) and Mining (for bringing in some cash).
I didn't take Alch or Engineering because it seemed like a pain to need to have to get all the Plans or Recipes and such. I know I took Tailoring, but there was a reason for that one since I'm a cloth wearer.
Thanks for all your advice: ). Very much appreciated.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?1502222512201110000002050030133250100501300000000000000000000000
I pretty much always have my Felhunter out, but in certain situations I'll pop Fel Domination to get that .5 second cast.
I do my best to use Curse of Exhaustion to kite then while Corruption and Siphon life slowly kill them off. I re-apply as need and when I know I have enough space I through in ShadowBolts, Immolates, or Searing Pains.
I never used my Professions at all. So I guess I should start leveling them up. At the moment I have Tailoring (crafting robes and what not) and Mining (for bringing in some cash).
I didn't take Alch or Engineering because it seemed like a pain to need to have to get all the Plans or Recipes and such. I know I took Tailoring, but there was a reason for that one since I'm a cloth wearer.
Thanks for all your advice: ). Very much appreciated.
Netherweave Net - (need 300 tailoring) Will root the target for 3 seconds
Limited Invulnerability Potion: (cheap to make) Makes you invincible to physical attacks for 6 seconds. I highly suggest these, it makes CloS pretty moot.
Limited Invulnerability Potion: (cheap to make) Makes you invincible to physical attacks for 6 seconds. I highly suggest these, it makes CloS pretty moot.
Best thing i've found is to force them to use it. Use a Death Coil followed by Fear, or just the Fear if you have the time. DOT them with everything you have and start kiting. At this point he has to use his Cloak when fear breaks, or he's gonna die. Run away. Straight away. As soon as it fades, stop /lol, and proceed to killing the rogue, although, since you've already got range on him, I suggest you keep it that way. They can still stun lock, which I think is more OP than CloS.
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That was how I dealt w/ BW pets in old AV. Ran - then as cooldown was ending came back. But that worked because there was often a "line" - hunter didn't dare come forward to chase me (or he'd die) - so he'd sic pet on another target - then I could come back and light him up.
W/ rogues, when you run, you do have to watch out for sprint. Having consumables as a backup (nets, pots, netgun, etc.) is an option. Except... can you use those in the arena? I seem to remember that some things aren't usable there.
You may not want to simply run - i.e. don't nec. turn and run. Turning about face takes surprisingly long. Consider strafing away in an unexpected direction.
Stack stamina and resiliance. Some would go as far as to tell you to give up your prefered spec for soul link and the felguard stun :-/
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Limited Invulnerability Potion: (cheap to make) Makes you invincible to physical attacks for 6 seconds. I highly suggest these, it makes CloS pretty moot.
That's the best way to deal with CoS. They've 90% resist, but you've 6 seconds of physical invulnerability, time enough to CoS goes out.
If you don't have one atm, try sacrifice your vw, the shield will give you time to keep alive. Also, run throught the rogue, he can't use most of his skills if he's not facing you. Keep doing that till CoS is out.
After they lose their CoS, just Death Coil and chain Fear them. They prob. will Vanish and run away until their CDs are up again.
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