Raid dps, combat swords or daggersFollow

Rogues have a spec for maces too, you know.

Non-dagger specs dont use the dagger abilities which are primarily one-shot high damage moves. They pump up their white damage, ss and eviscerate. More damage on each hit, higher DPS. Think of it as overall, you're doing the work of a very high damage but very slow weapon. We've got much lower base damage but pretty much everything we do does that damage, alot higher than yours, so our overall speed is faster.

Which is ironic, because combat swords relies on a slow, high base mainhand and daggers range from fast to insanely fast.

Edited, Mar 30th 2007 4:05pm by WesFoxx

Sorry but Combat specc, you gotts go sword or maces, Daggers only in OH, and even then i would DW swords, in combat your number 1 attack will be SS, if you wanted to be BSing machine you should have gone assasination or Sub, so using SS the best dmg possible is with a slow weapon (which is why maces and swords are best) and having swords with SnD while spamming SS and some eviscerates will blow a combat specc rogue using DW daggers doing crap SS dmg. All in all, you shouldn't be being outdmged by them anyways, maybe try respeccing to a combat/assasination build, going all the way through the combat tree and getting the goodies from assasination should maximize your pure DMG but you may loose some usefull skills such as stealth speed or imp. sap.

Using this i outdmg my hunter friend who is 4 levels higher than my w/ very nice gear, you just gotta know what to use and when also. btw try and keep blade flurry on as often as you can.

Edited, Mar 30th 2007 10:08pm by unfocusedmonk

That's how combat swords/fist/maces works. With combat daggers you don't use SS, you use backstab. This should be very obvious. Both builds strive to keep SnD up 100% of the time and rely on high white damage to put out good numbers. In general, combat daggers will be something like 15/41/5 with 5/5 opportunity and 4/5 lethality. Combat swords/fist/mace will be something like 19/42/0 or a close variant. Note that many people have slightly altered specs that allow them to pick up imp sap.

To the OP... you say that you're using a dagger MH and a fist OH but you're speced combat swords? I'm thinking this might have been a typo since you did say you had 5/5 opportunity. Can you please post your build so we can take a look at it?

Also, as far as total damage is concerned, yes we do relatively less than we did pre BC. Warlocks become especially powerful. This isn't necessairly because the class itself is overpowered. One huge advantage many warlocks have is the ability to craft some very nice high end raiding gear. We have an affliction (41/3/17) warlock in our guild with a bit over 1100 shadow damage. To put it bluntly, he puts pretty much all of us to shame in many areas. I've beaten him on some bosses, but in general if he brings his A game he's pretty hard to touch. My sustained damage with raid buffs is in pretty tight agreement with the current rogue DPS spreadsheets for my build/gear (as it was pre BC). However, some of the casters you're up against already have gear that's better than their T5 sets - expect them to outdamage you. For the time being, work on gear in the 5mans and heroics. Remember that having a decent chunk of hit rating is important for a combat build. Extra poison/enchant procs and extra combat potency procs in addition to the extra white damage does boost your DPS nicely. With your given stats, there should still be some decent upgrades in the 5 mans. Additionally, if you haven't grinded scryer/aldor exhalted and cen exp revered I would do so soon for the shoulder and helm enchants - you'll obviously continue to benifit from these for a while to come.

That was my personal preference and ideas, i wasnt meaning to state them as facts, i was just wondering if you wanted to make BS your primary attack, why not go assasination or sub?

*roll eyes* People come on here giving others advice...if you aren't sure what you are talking about..ask questions. Don't state things as if you knew what you are talking about.

When you say essentially "if you are combat, you have to go Sword or Mace" you are stating this as if it is a fact. You didn't qualify it with "I have never tried this..." or "I am not sure...". I am not going to let false statements fly to confuse already confused young rogues.

*sigh* And I used to post so nice. I guess after dealing with constant garbage you get a little short on patience.

I guess I don't see the problem with moving. If you have trouble, bind your keys and just watch the fight. At least for all of the 5 mans...none of the bosses are a problem. I haven't gotten in to our raid groups because I am classified as a "casual" still (i.e. I play soccer, in an orchestra, and a volley ball team and therefore am not available every night of the week for raiding :P).

The only place you would really lose DPS is a boss that makes it difficult to get behind them...and for that, you just have to be spamming your BS and you will usually get it off very close to when your energy ticks.

Nothing wrong with Combat Swords if you have trouble with that. Personally, pre-BC raiding and post-BC 5-mans I haven't had issues with positioning.