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#1 Mar 31 2007 at 4:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I am curreently lvl 65.7 and since raiding is getting close now:
What kind of stats should I have?
And are there any things I need to know/have?
KLH/ts/vent excepted, i already have that)
I would appreciate any help from hunters who have experience with the new raids.

I have never raided before, so really any help is welcome.
(i do know how to play my class, just not in raids.)

-Æthien
#2 Apr 02 2007 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
Role of hunters in raids is almost purely DMG.
So collect gear which pushes your RAP and %crit and don't ignore int and manareg.
Some fights you will need a lot of HP, so try to collect some gear which has more stamina on it but still add a lot to your RAP and %crit (perhaps 7,5k unbuffed are enough so).

Now and then you might have to kite a mob (still have not seen a mob to be kited in BC raid content, but in 5man heroics it is necessary now and then).

Another thing being of some importance is usage of misdirection. Thats a very great skill, so make sure you know how to use it and place it somewhere on you UI where you can easily reach it (sounds pretty basic but I've had a hunter in my raid who did not know how to use that skill for the first three wipes *g*).
#3 Apr 02 2007 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
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well, thats really... nothing new for me =P
Kiting is easy (unless the mob cant be slowed offcourse...) and i thought i should be aiming for 7k hp, 7k mana 1.5k ap and 20% crit at 70.
wich shouldnt be too hard, 5.3k mana/hp 1k ap and 17.1% crit at 65.

all unbuffed.
#4 Apr 02 2007 at 2:18 AM Rating: Decent
Didn't expect it to be new for you.
However 1,5k RAP is to less for raiding instances. Try to aim for 2k RAP self buffed (if your MM spec with hawk and TSA) while having aroung 20%crit.

Hunter's role in raiding is not very complicated, just DPS what you can without gaining the mob's attention, thats basically 60% of raiding, the rest is quick reaction to different stages during the fights but that is nothing class specific.
The things get complicated when 25persons have to execute a fight to prefection working together and everyone giving their best. Thats the hard part *g*.
#5 Apr 02 2007 at 2:32 AM Rating: Decent
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1.5k unbuffed ;) AotH adds 200? the TSA another 200?
that comes down to 1.9k self buffed.
so i'll try to go for 1.6-1.7k unbuffed
#6 Apr 02 2007 at 3:40 AM Rating: Good
Assuming you are doing BC quests and choosing the good gear rewards(helm of second sight for starters), along with running five mans, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to hit at least 1800 rap without self buffs. You'll be enchanting everything possible, naturally.

My guild has two groups clearing karazhan and just last week we downed Gruul for the first time on only our second visit.(woohoo) We're all old-school raiders pre-bc, which obviously helps, but there's more to it than that...

My advice for you would be to focus on rap to the point of ignoring things like whether an armor piece is mail and being prepared to take some stamina losses in order to maximize damage. Until I scored the tier4 legs off gruul last week, I was wearing leather chest, legs and boots. You can check my profile below if it helps any...

Once your gear and level are up to something usable, spend quality time with Dr. Boom and some kind of mod to show your dps(I use swstats). You'll want to be focused on optimizing your shot cycle and mana use for really long boss fights. Even with some mana regen pieces and going to a very thrifty steady/auto cycle, it's not unusual for me to have to drink 2-3 super mana pots on one boss.... (no, I will not fd and drink, I'm not a believer in that for these....)

And on that note - raiders in bc quite often take pots to boost dps and or survivability. You'll want to be sure that your professions are good enough to support 50-100g per raid night if you want to excel. (20g alone on repairs is not unusual. tip: use outfitter or some other wardrobe mod and when the raid is obviously wiping and you have a fd available, fd and hit the birthday suit option to save yourself some repair costs.)

Finally, make sure your fishing, cooking and first aid skills are up to snuff. You'll be self-bandaging a lot, and "free" food buffs are nice as well. First aid is so easy to level in bc, I'm always amazed when I run into people who don't have theirs maxed out.

Hope that helps,
Blorton





Edited, Apr 2nd 2007 7:44am by blorton
#7 Apr 02 2007 at 4:24 AM Rating: Decent
TSA adds 125 and AotH adds another 155 I believe, so if you set your aim for unbuffed, then it should be more like 1.7-1.8k RAP.
#8 Apr 02 2007 at 4:34 AM Rating: Decent
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blorton wrote:
Assuming you are doing BC quests and choosing the good gear rewards(helm of second sight for starters), along with running five mans, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to hit at least 1800 rap without self buffs. You'll be enchanting everything possible, naturally.

what enchants? dont know any enchants, so dont really know much more then what i have now. (+12 int on bracer, +6 mp5 on chest and +ap on gloves)

blorton wrote:
My guild has two groups clearing karazhan and just last week we downed Gruul for the first time on only our second visit.(woohoo) We're all old-school raiders pre-bc, which obviously helps, but there's more to it than that...

gratz on that

blorton wrote:
My advice for you would be to focus on rap to the point of ignoring things like whether an armor piece is mail and being prepared to take some stamina losses in order to maximize damage. Until I scored the tier4 legs off gruul last week, I was wearing leather chest, legs and boots. You can check my profile below if it helps any...

and i am currently wearing the leather shoulders from the last Blood Furnace boss, so i know that sacrificing armor for Rap isnt bad ;)
most other places i have blue mail pieces.

blorton wrote:
Once your gear and level are up to something usable, spend quality time with Dr. Boom and some kind of mod to show your dps(I use swstats). You'll want to be focused on optimizing your shot cycle and mana use for really long boss fights. Even with some mana regen pieces and going to a very thrifty steady/auto cycle, it's not unusual for me to have to drink 2-3 super mana pots on one boss.... (no, I will not fd and drink, I'm not a believer in that for these....)
didnt know about FD and drink, nice idea. but i think i prefer potions, as i know a couple of 350+ alchemists those should be easy.

blorton wrote:
And on that note - raiders in bc quite often take pots to boost dps and or survivability. You'll want to be sure that your professions are good enough to support 50-100g per raid night if you want to excel. (20g alone on repairs is not unusual. tip: use outfitter or some other wardrobe mod and when the raid is obviously wiping and you have a fd available, fd and hit the birthday suit option to save yourself some repair costs.)

already have outfitter, but havent figured out how it exactly works besides getting my carrot on a stick equipped when i mount
and i think/hope i'll make enough money with Skinning/LW to support raiding.
although 50-100g sounds like a lot, i guess its worth it.

blorton wrote:
Finally, make sure your fishing, cooking and first aid skills are up to snuff. You'll be self-bandaging a lot, and "free" food buffs are nice as well. First aid is so easy to level in bc, I'm always amazed when I run into people who don't have theirs maxed out.

Hope that helps,
Blorton


got to level my fishing, first aid and cooking... slacking in that because i seem to get distracted fast when leveling those. (FA=225, Fi=170, Co=150. any tips where to level those the fastest/best?)

and thank you very much, this was exactly what i was looking for.
#9 Apr 02 2007 at 5:39 AM Rating: Decent
(Just a quick aside on the fd/drink thing - the truth is, there are some situations in a raid where due to thin healing, you will be forced to fd and eat to restore health when your bandage and pots are on cooldown. In that situation, of course go ahead and drink at the same time. heh.)

Continuing the enchants discussion, I wouldn't bother with the mp5 ones. I've tried them before, and the problem is that the only places they really are worth having are too few and far between to make up for the loss in overall base damage you give up in the meantime from other enchant.

I'd go with the ap enchant on your next bracers. 11 int is only one more steady shot in the mana pool and plus 5 ap if you are specced for that. The +24 attack power is a lot more useful and if nothing else - also boosts your pets ap by 8.

Chest: this one is a toss up, but once you have a keeper chest, go for the +6 stats. With my spec, this is roughly ten more ap and a pinch more usefulness all around. I'm running a +8 stamina patch on my current leather chest while I wait for a sweet kara drop. :)

Boots: I went with +12 stamina on my current leather ones since I'm packing enough heat in other slots that I really needed to get some more hp back. :) I'll go with +12 agi once I get some keeper mail boots.

If you have a high tolerance for grinding rep, the mag'har leather shoulders are extremely good. I wore them up until getting the current ones from kara. The same rep level also gives you the option of a great 2h axe. (Grab a crystalforged war axe from the ah and put savagery on it for those times when you need max stamina.) Between questing and grinding ogres in nagrand, getting mag'har rep maxxed is trivial.

For your primary weapon, grab the Valanos longbow from the AH. Don't bother with the expense of the +12dmg scope unless you just like throwing money away. :D (I run the +30 to hit one on my Sunfury just to have more flexibility in other slots. Btw, you want your + to hit to be in the 130's for raiding.)

Rep grinding - whether you choose Aldor or Scryer, find the good grinding spots once you hit 70 and get yourself to exalted after you've done all the quests. Real nice shoulder enchants there. (I chose Aldor since I'm all for max ap.)

Also, work up CE rep for the 37dps arrows and sweet helm enchant.

Specs and buttons:

Take a good look at the spec build in my sig, that's the result of a lot of experimentation and is focused purely for raid dps. Some will argue for a beast or survival build. I find that this build makes for one hell of a farming setup which helps with the bills, and I like always being in the top few slots of any group for dps. (Yes, even when kiting and doing cc) :D

For buttons - make sure anything and everything you need to hit in a panic situation is there without having to move the mouse around or hunt across the keyboard. You should already be doing this for fd, so I would advise making sure all of your shots are arranged this way, including scatter, silence, arcane and concuss. One other thing - make sure your arcane shot is in a place where you can easily hit it while maintaining contact with your movement keys. There are some places in raids and especially in heroics where the only form of usable cc is you kiting a mob around. You want to be sure you can instinctively hit the right buttons when the heat is on. :)

If nothing else - make sure you have silencing shot down to where you can twitch it off without thinking. Being able to do that against a mob casting a heal can make an encounter go from being a party/raid wiper to nearly being ezmode. :)

Most of all, have fun!
Blorton









Edited, Apr 2nd 2007 9:53am by blorton
#10 Apr 02 2007 at 6:02 AM Rating: Decent
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blorton wrote:
Continuing the enchants discussion, I wouldn't bother with the mp5 ones. I've tried them before, and the problem is that the only places they really are worth having are too few and far between to make up for the loss in overall base damage you give up in the meantime from other enchant.

got it for free, so i wont complain about it ;)
i'll go with the +6 stats once i have the epic LW chest or better.

blorton wrote:
I'd go with the ap enchant on your next bracers. 11 int is only one more steady shot and plus 5 ap if you are specced for that. The +24 attack power is a lot more useful.

i was lacking mana badly, early outlands gear has great AP, sta, agi but no int whatsoever.

blorton wrote:
Boots: I went with +12 stamina on my current leather ones since I'm packing enough heat in other slots that I really needed to get some more hp back. :) I'll go with +12 agi once I get some keeper mail boots.

havent got anything on boots yet, will look into that later today.
got 2 stacks of arcane dust, 6 greater outlands essence (forgot real name) and 2 shards from getting worthless green drops disenchanted.

blorton wrote:
If you have a high tolerance for grinding rep, the mag'har leather shoulders are extremely good. I wore them up until getting the current ones from kara. The same rep level also gives you the option of a great 2h axe. (Grab a crystalforged war axe from the ah and put savagery on it for those times when you need max stamina.) Between questing and grinding ogres in nagrand, getting mag'har rep maxxed is trivial.

oh boy.... mag'har is from where?

blorton wrote:
For your primary weapon, grab the Valanos longbow from the AH. Don't bother with the expense of the +12dmg scope unless you just like throwing money away. :D (I run the +30 to hit one on my Sunfury just to have more flexibility in other slots. Btw, you want your + to hit to be in the 130's for raiding.)

high +hit, more then i have now...
got the +10dmg scope on my needler now. 80-90g for 2 more damage isnt worth it to me.
25-30g for +10 dmg is.

blorton wrote:
Rep grinding - whether you choose Aldor or Scryer, find the good grinding spots once you hit 70 and get yourself to exalted after you've done all the quests. Real nice shoulder enchants there. (I chose Aldor since I'm all for max ap.)

Also, work up CE rep for the 37dps arrows and sweet helm enchant.

probably going with aldor, has the better "enchants" in my opinion.
doing a crapload of instances, so CE is halfway through honored now.
and i am almost ready to make clefthoof leg armor.

blorton wrote:
Specs and buttons:
For buttons - make sure anything and everything you need to hit in a panic situation is there without having to move the mouse around or hunt across the keyboard. You should already be doing this for fd, so I would advise making sure all of your shots are arranged this way, including scatter, silence, arcane and concuss. One other thing - make sure your arcane shot is in a place where you can easily hit it while maintaining contact with wasd. There are some places in raids and especially in heroics where the only form of usable cc is you kiting a mob around. You want to be sure you can instinctively hit the right buttons when the heat is on. :)

If nothing else - make sure you have silencing shot down to where you can twitch it off without thinking. Being able to do that against a mob casting a heal can make an encounter go from being a party/raid wiper to nearly being ezmode. :)

using a lot of macro's to have everything close by.
will have to reset everything when i spec back to MM at 70.
what i came up with is very close to what you have. although i'll take your experience and copy most if not all of your spec ;)
for now and in 5 mans until i join a raiding guild, BM is the better spec in my opinion due to better overall support (mainly saving the healers ***, intimidation can grab aggro from a healer very well. something often needed in PuG's)

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Most of all, have fun!
Blorton

you kidding me? i am enjoying this almost as much as playing the game. and i have to resist queueing for instances every minute of my playtime because else i'll never reach 70.
i dont want to miss out on 1 millimeter of the best, coolest and hardest instances in this game.
#11 Apr 02 2007 at 6:32 AM Rating: Decent
Actually no man. You should run instances AS MUCH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. I did this and now have almost all my outlands quests to do.

I go back as a level 70 and do all the level 60 quests, they are easy and I get like 10g + PER QUEST. This is amazing stuff, I wont mention how much gold I have but lets say I have my flying mount and.... well alot more.

So do as FEW quests as possible and run as many 5 mans as you can. From a typical instance run its not hard to get over 200,000 xp which is 1/3 to 1/4 your whole level right there. Instance grinding is THE BEST / EASIEST way to level in outlands.

Have fun and honestly.... If you quest to level 70 you will kick yourself SOO HARD once you are level 70.


PS. If you do my method and stop questing all together. From Shadowmoon Valley, Blades Edge Mountains, and Netherstorm you will get over 3,000 gold from quests alone easily, this has been proven over and over again (once your level 70)

Edited, Apr 2nd 2007 10:32am by mattzz
#12 Apr 02 2007 at 6:36 AM Rating: Decent
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instancing also equals many many lost hours over organizing PuG's and usually not a quarter of the xp/hour that i get when soloing. sometimes hardly a tenth
(100k xp an hour soloing.)

and with instances there are still the ******** that ruin your night. and how much i love the new instances, that is still a big risk.
#13 Apr 02 2007 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
then get some friends on server. Just start talking to people your level, explain how fast you can level to 70 and how much money you can make the same way that I above explained it to you.

Then add them to friends list and just ask people on friends list exclusivly everytime they are on.

You will level to 70 DAMN FAST, you will get great blue gear (Sethekk Halls gives you your Tier 3.5 set "Beast-Lord")

And all that fun stuff, sell them on instancing and saving quests and you can instance grind in a matter of days. Doing 4 instances a day you would be level 70 in a week, guarenteed (providing you dont wipe all the time)
#14 Apr 02 2007 at 6:47 AM Rating: Decent
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my playing time is mostly limited from 19:00-20:00 to 24:00-01:00
not enough time for 4 instances...
let alone get a group together for the same period of time.
and i do not now enough of other classes to raise people to the standard they need to be at to seamlessly run instances.
#15 Apr 02 2007 at 6:48 AM Rating: Decent
obviously you are going to level however you want, I am just saying try to save as many quests as you can and I leveled from level 60-70 in like 8 days of real time, playing 5 hours a day, this was just with a good group of friends, 1 tank 1 healer 1 mage 1 other DPS. Almost no wipes and just run run run. All 5 of us got to 70 amazingly fast.
#16 Apr 02 2007 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
Aethien wrote:

i am enjoying this almost as much as playing the game. and i have to resist queueing for instances every minute of my playtime because else i'll never reach 70.
i dont want to miss out on 1 millimeter of the best, coolest and hardest instances in this game.


Start collecting resist gear. Shadow resist for Magtherians Lair will mean the difference between dying on every pull or living. Get hero tokens for the fire gear from G'eas. Other resist gear might be helpful as well, depending on what you do. Hear the Arcane resist is needed for another instance but off the top of my head can not remember which one.
#17 Apr 02 2007 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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ok, that sounds good...
got to start collecting that then.
resist gear, here we come =P

edit: probably going to do CoT: Durnholde in 30 min.
any last minute advise on the instance?

Edited, Apr 2nd 2007 7:21pm by Aethien
#18 Apr 02 2007 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
Keep up with Thrall that **** runs like a bat outta hell.
#19 Apr 02 2007 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent
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ok.... =P

and wheee, got +12 agi to my cloack ^^
only cost me 2.5g for 1 mote of water, had the other mats =P
#20 Apr 03 2007 at 3:58 AM Rating: Decent
One other thing I'd highly recommend, but wanted to hold off until I'd had a chance to test it for myself. lol. I ran it last night and love it.

Get and use Deadly Boss Mods. Turn on all the alerts and be a lot more informed about events happening in a raid.

Personally, even with the other options already available(show my target's target, notify on aggro gain, etc.), I sometimes am slow to notice I've pulled hate. With DBM, you get a big red cloud around the screen, big letters in the middle, and even screen shake. It really makes a nice difference.

Before someone yells l2play, bite me. :) I'm usually so focused on threatlist standing, avoiding aoes and running the shotcycle I haven't got time to be watching the boss's portrait. :D

Cheers!
Blorton
#21 Apr 03 2007 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
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i'll see about the addon.
and that leaves me one thing. where is Mag'har? =P or where to get the rep for it.
since you mentioned they have a few very good items.
#22 Apr 03 2007 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Aethien wrote:
and that leaves me one thing. where is Mag'har? =P or where to get the rep for it.
since you mentioned they have a few very good items.

Mag'har is the Horde equivalent of the Kurenai, the Nagrand faction.
#23 Apr 03 2007 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
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ah, so the kurenai have the same thing?
good, i'm getting good rep with them at the moment (havent bothered looking at the goods to buy yet...)
#24 Apr 03 2007 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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nope.. kurenai dont have that... they do have a good mail headpiece that i will get at 70.
on to exalted! (~4000/12000 into honored)
#25 Apr 03 2007 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Regarding questing or Instancing, Instance as much as possible. The game in Outlands is reputation, not leveling. If you gain as much faction as is possible via killing things in instances you will save yourself a huge amount of time grinding reputation.

Regarding mods, I'm with you Blorton. It's tough to be on top of everything going on in a raid, and the game is made to be modded. I'll check out DBM, and thanks for the tip since I'd never heard of it before. I use MetaHUD for an audible "you've got threat" warning, on top of the target-of-target UI option.
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blorton wrote:
Assuming you are doing BC quests and choosing the good gear rewards(helm of second sight for starters), along with running five mans, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to hit at least 1800 rap without self buffs. You'll be enchanting everything possible, naturally.

what enchants? dont know any enchants, so dont really know much more then what i have now. (+12 int on bracer, +6 mp5 on chest and +ap on gloves)
Check out the Assault enchants for Gloves and Bracer. They are cheap and effective for pure AP. Here is a list hosted on this site.
#26 Apr 04 2007 at 3:02 AM Rating: Decent
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i was mainly asking for what the top enchants are for when i hit 70.
i already have assault on my gloves, +12 int on my bracers (i was low on int...)
+6mp5 on my chest (was free) and +12 agi on cloack (had all the mats ^^)
and since yesterday i also have clefthoof armor on my legpiece, lifting my ap over 1k (was 999 before XD) as well as hemet's ellek gun and a +10 scope for that.
trying to get in a few slave pens/underbog/mana tombs/crypts ruins this week along with hitting 67, wich should be very doable (65% into 66)
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