hya am new here and read somewhere that new build of fire/frost are good as well.
Am lvl 28 now and focussing on fire.
I don't like arcane much and prefer to use fire bolt (or frost bolt if i want the target slowed) instead of arcane missile. Arcane explosion i don't use either, prefer frost nova.
I dont do any/much PVP but am interested in getting targets down quick.
So here is what i would like to do :
Fire is my focus (cos i want to get 3000+ dps)
imp fireball 5/5
ignite 5/5
flame throwing 2/2
improved fire blast 2/3
incinerate 2/2
pyroblast 1/1
burning soul 2/2
master of elements 3/3
critical mass 3/3
fire power 5/5
frost to also be able to do good damage
imp frostbolt 5/5
elemental precision 3/3
ice shards 5/5
improved frost nova 2/2
shatter 5/5
arcane to get some resistance of my own and lower the ones of others
arcane subtlety 2/2
imp arcane missiles 3/5 (a loss of 3 points but i need 5 so...)
magic absorption 5/5
arcane fortitude 1/1 (is this one better or should i put a point in frost warding that increases armor also with 15%)
I know a lot of people go more into arcane to get arcane meditation or even PoM but do u need mana regen whilst casting so bad, i could just use manashield on me or frostnova on others and then use a mana potion ?
I just thought freezing target first and then use fire dps with the 50% increased chance of crit would be fenomenal.
Any ideas ?
- Forums
- World of Warcraft
- Class Discussion
- frost + fire mage ?
frost + fire mage ?Follow
well frost and fire are totaly different. they have their own play styles. i don't think there is a way to mix them. i was fire untill lvl 45ish and then i changed to frost. i was so bad at first because i had no idea how to play it. with fire its usualy pyroblast, and then a couple fireballs and ur target is dead. with frost its a lot different.
You're describing an elemental build. Check out a few of them here on the forum. Echou has a link with talent builds in there. Don't know that I would split points across all 3 trees unless it was a very minimal investment (3 points in frost, for example)...
1 post
I am a level 67 mage and have been elemental from the start. I am currently 36/21 fire/frost. Elemental is a great spec for PVP and good for PVE and normal instances. It is not as good for raiding instances.
For PVP and PVE you want to build your character and play style around shatter crits. Critting frequently is the basis for the power in the elemental build. It can be very destructive in PVP especially when coupled with AOE.
As with all fire builds, your survivability is less than with frost builds that have ice barrier. The 21 in my build is ice block, which mainly sees use in PVP and instances. The build loses the control of strong frost builds, but makes up for it in burst damage, IMHO. It's just a different playstyle -- more on your feet -- that happens to appeal to me.
In raiding instances with long boss fights, you will not top damage charts because arcane/fire and deep fire builds have better mana management elements and better power on the longer cast spells.
The elemental spec may not be viable in arena unless you go 30/31 to get ice barrier -- at least that's what my research into the forums suggests. The arcane/frost builds seem to be the most popular in the arenas.
I honestly haven't tried any other specs -- I just hit upon this one and fell in love with it and never deviated from the build.
I say give it a try (once you level a bit further) and see if you like it. Keep in mind that it doesn't really shine unless you have the shatter component.
For PVP and PVE you want to build your character and play style around shatter crits. Critting frequently is the basis for the power in the elemental build. It can be very destructive in PVP especially when coupled with AOE.
As with all fire builds, your survivability is less than with frost builds that have ice barrier. The 21 in my build is ice block, which mainly sees use in PVP and instances. The build loses the control of strong frost builds, but makes up for it in burst damage, IMHO. It's just a different playstyle -- more on your feet -- that happens to appeal to me.
In raiding instances with long boss fights, you will not top damage charts because arcane/fire and deep fire builds have better mana management elements and better power on the longer cast spells.
The elemental spec may not be viable in arena unless you go 30/31 to get ice barrier -- at least that's what my research into the forums suggests. The arcane/frost builds seem to be the most popular in the arenas.
I honestly haven't tried any other specs -- I just hit upon this one and fell in love with it and never deviated from the build.
I say give it a try (once you level a bit further) and see if you like it. Keep in mind that it doesn't really shine unless you have the shatter component.
Quote:
So here is what i would like to do :
Fire is my focus (cos i want to get 3000+ dps)
imp fireball 5/5
ignite 5/5
flame throwing 2/2
improved fire blast 2/3
incinerate 2/2
pyroblast 1/1
burning soul 2/2
master of elements 3/3
critical mass 3/3
fire power 5/5
frost to also be able to do good damage
imp frostbolt 5/5
elemental precision 3/3
ice shards 5/5
improved frost nova 2/2
shatter 5/5
arcane to get some resistance of my own and lower the ones of others
arcane subtlety 2/2
imp arcane missiles 3/5 (a loss of 3 points but i need 5 so...)
magic absorption 5/5
arcane fortitude 1/1
Fire is my focus (cos i want to get 3000+ dps)
imp fireball 5/5
ignite 5/5
flame throwing 2/2
improved fire blast 2/3
incinerate 2/2
pyroblast 1/1
burning soul 2/2
master of elements 3/3
critical mass 3/3
fire power 5/5
frost to also be able to do good damage
imp frostbolt 5/5
elemental precision 3/3
ice shards 5/5
improved frost nova 2/2
shatter 5/5
arcane to get some resistance of my own and lower the ones of others
arcane subtlety 2/2
imp arcane missiles 3/5 (a loss of 3 points but i need 5 so...)
magic absorption 5/5
arcane fortitude 1/1
I wouldn't go for something like this.
First of all this spec is a bit indecisive about what your main nuke will be, usually it is better to focus on one and get the talents to improve it.
While the fire talents are strong, they could become stronger by droping the frost ones, and vise versa.
I don't believe a shatter build is very viable without frostbite because you will only get that nice +50% crit chance after frost nova, while with frostbite you'll freeze in every battle almost. Likewise ice shards are not utilised fully with low crit gear and stats (and low level gear don't boost your critical).
Again, improved arcane missiles is wasted if it is not maxed out imo because you need to have 100% reduction to interuption to make arcane missiles viable as a main nuke.
Also, regarding arcane fortitude/imp.frost ward, I'd never take them and this is because armour will always be non-existant for a mage. Priests are the only cloth wearing class with half-respectable armour, and they're still fragile cloth. If you calculate the gain you'll see that even with end-game gear (500+ intelect) the armour gain from the talent is laughable.
Finally what I think is the biggest flaw is that with this spec you miss out on the really good and powerful talents at the end of each tree.
I'm trying to help but bear in mind that I'm not a fan of elemental builds, my favorite build is arcane/frost but it is your gameplay at the end :D
Good Luck, there are excelent threads on this forum about mage talents and builds (Filterspawn, echou), read them :D
Edited, Apr 4th 2007 1:58pm by Karamonde
Recent Visitors: 55
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (55)
- Forums
- World of Warcraft
- Class Discussion
- frost + fire mage ?
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC