I was pondering about creating a new Priest and after trying to convince myself to roll a Dwarf for the greater good of everyone (I do like their animations), I wondered about Feedback and how it might proc Blackout like Touch of Weakness does or whatever it's called.
Feedback drains mana when you're hit by magical damage and each mana point drained causes shadow damage. Shadow damage should proc Blackout, no?
Feedback might be useful if so. Although Fear Ward and Desperate Prayer seems more valuable in the long run.
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Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
I never found feedback all that useful for 2 reasons.
1. In PvP opponents have such a large mana pool that feedback barley dents their ability to cast.
2. In PvE, enemy casters tend to have fewer HP and die before feedback even makes a difference.
However if it does proc blackout like you're asking it might make feedback more useful in PvP. When I was shadow going up against fire mages was probably my easiest 1v1 situation. I had a tougher time v. ice mages but could generally take them down also.
It might be more useful v. Shaman/locks though, assuming feedback does proc blackout.
Edited, Apr 4th 2007 11:17pm by MookusOU
1. In PvP opponents have such a large mana pool that feedback barley dents their ability to cast.
2. In PvE, enemy casters tend to have fewer HP and die before feedback even makes a difference.
However if it does proc blackout like you're asking it might make feedback more useful in PvP. When I was shadow going up against fire mages was probably my easiest 1v1 situation. I had a tougher time v. ice mages but could generally take them down also.
It might be more useful v. Shaman/locks though, assuming feedback does proc blackout.
Edited, Apr 4th 2007 11:17pm by MookusOU
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2. In PvE, enemy casters tend to have fewer HP and die before feedback even makes a difference.
the mob casters dies to soon?
you realize part of the reason the mob dies is becouse of Mana burned right,
Feedback
...causing 1 Shadow damage for each point of Mana burned.
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This next bit of writing is very old pre TBC, it was done by some writer named Zombeat.
quote: Zombeat
[you] begin to cast [Mana Burn]
[Magex] Fireblast [You] 749
[Magex] Counterspell [You]
[Magex] begin to cast [arcane missile]
[You] Gain [Feedback]
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[You] Gain [Renew]
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[You] Gain [PowerWord:Shield]
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[You] begin to cast [Mana Burn]
[Magex] begin to cast [Arcane missile]
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[You] Manaburn [Magex] 376
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[You] begin to cast [Mana Burn]
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[Magex] begin to cast [Arcane missile]
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[You] Manaburn [Magex] 395
[You] begin to cast [Mana Burn]
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 105
[You] Manaburn [Magex] 124
[Magex] Arcane Missile [You] 223
[You] Feedback [Magex] 12
[Magex] Die
[You] Gain [Spirit Tap]
[You] Feedback [Fade]
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This log is fictive and idealist, but you get the concept...burned 1575 mana, 1575 shadow damage..
now i didnt add it but imagine this combat log with shadow weaving, blackout and V-E,...
end quote
link to writing
I would not try to test feedback's value with out having Improved Mana Burn, but even then it's seems too situational.
Mana Burn
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 1:04am by Maxzzzz
No. It dies because of my MB and two MFs.
Your data is long winded and meaningless to my original point.
When you fight an enemy caster it is almost always dead before it casts a second spell. So you get like 1/15th the theoretical benefit.
Your data is long winded and meaningless to my original point.
When you fight an enemy caster it is almost always dead before it casts a second spell. So you get like 1/15th the theoretical benefit.
Discipline tree based spells that do shadow damage like Feedback and Mana Burn do not proc shadowweaving or blackout. They also dont get the +damage from Darkness.
They do get the +damage from from shadow form and shadowweaving and misery.
It really are "discipline spells that do shadow damage" if you look at game mechanics.
Afaik that are the only 2 damage spells that are discipline and do shadow damage.
In short, Feedback is one of the more useless priest racial spells, maybe even the most useless racial spell there is. Neck on neck with Elune's Grace, although i think that one has more uses.
Please dont mind Maxzzz, Mazra, that coconut doesnt even play WoW, he just theorycrafts and is utterly wrong 99/100 times. Hes one of those angry teenagers who thinks hes always right while hes actually quite dumb.
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 3:58am by Sjans
They do get the +damage from from shadow form and shadowweaving and misery.
It really are "discipline spells that do shadow damage" if you look at game mechanics.
Afaik that are the only 2 damage spells that are discipline and do shadow damage.
In short, Feedback is one of the more useless priest racial spells, maybe even the most useless racial spell there is. Neck on neck with Elune's Grace, although i think that one has more uses.
Please dont mind Maxzzz, Mazra, that coconut doesnt even play WoW, he just theorycrafts and is utterly wrong 99/100 times. Hes one of those angry teenagers who thinks hes always right while hes actually quite dumb.
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 3:58am by Sjans
off topic
@ MookusOU
long winded yes, it's not my writing, but then you only need to look over it once and you can see how feedback might work.
From this we can say that by having feedback you stop the mage fomr having the arcane missile option, as we now know that it would only lead to the priest wining the duel.
meaningless to your original point? I'm soory MookusOU I stop talking to you
when I used my ---------------- line. My apologies if you found this confusing.
My writing above this line is directed at you and my writing below is both to the OP and just general.
Think of it as changing topic or changing sub-topic as it was.
but if you want to apply your original point then it gos like this...
MookusOU's original point
"1. In PvP opponents have such a large mana pool that feedback barley dents their ability to cast."
meaningless to this original point? your talking about PvP I'm talking about fighting a mage, how is this meaningless?
what? MookusOU you kill casters befor 3 sec? and you do this dueling do you?
The theory here is for a 1v1 or dueling scenario, I would expect that to go with out saying.
So MookusOU do you ever loss a duel?
options: yes/lie
well maybe in one of those 'not wining' duels Feedback could have been just the thing.
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@ Sjans
No Sjans, Feedback is of the discipline tree but of the shadow School, just like how Power Word: Shield is of the discipline tree but the holy School. You need to get that one right, you are in no place to be teaching others.
Sjans I have been talking with you for a long time now and you have never backed
up any of your writing.
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 4:07am by Maxzzzz
@ MookusOU
MookusOU wrote:
Your data is long winded and meaningless to my original point.
long winded yes, it's not my writing, but then you only need to look over it once and you can see how feedback might work.
From this we can say that by having feedback you stop the mage fomr having the arcane missile option, as we now know that it would only lead to the priest wining the duel.
meaningless to your original point? I'm soory MookusOU I stop talking to you
when I used my ---------------- line. My apologies if you found this confusing.
My writing above this line is directed at you and my writing below is both to the OP and just general.
Think of it as changing topic or changing sub-topic as it was.
but if you want to apply your original point then it gos like this...
MookusOU's original point
"1. In PvP opponents have such a large mana pool that feedback barley dents their ability to cast."
meaningless to this original point? your talking about PvP I'm talking about fighting a mage, how is this meaningless?
MookusOU wrote:
When you fight an enemy caster it is almost always dead before it casts a second spell. So you get like 1/15th the theoretical benefit.
what? MookusOU you kill casters befor 3 sec? and you do this dueling do you?
The theory here is for a 1v1 or dueling scenario, I would expect that to go with out saying.
So MookusOU do you ever loss a duel?
options: yes/lie
well maybe in one of those 'not wining' duels Feedback could have been just the thing.
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@ Sjans
Sjans wrote:
Discipline tree based spells that do shadow damage like Feedback...
No Sjans, Feedback is of the discipline tree but of the shadow School, just like how Power Word: Shield is of the discipline tree but the holy School. You need to get that one right, you are in no place to be teaching others.
Sjans I have been talking with you for a long time now and you have never backed
up any of your writing.
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 4:07am by Maxzzzz
Maxzzz, dear retarded cocunut youre example is flawed to the core:
a) When a mage counterspells you hes going to use the biggest nuke he's got.
b) If he counterspelled youre mana burn youre discipline tree is locked for 12 seconds so you couldnt cast it in the first place.
And now in TBC he just spell steals it, if he wants to arc missle you to death w/o having the priest counterspelled. If a mage even bothers, feedback makes a minor difference.
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 4:08am by Sjans
a) When a mage counterspells you hes going to use the biggest nuke he's got.
b) If he counterspelled youre mana burn youre discipline tree is locked for 12 seconds so you couldnt cast it in the first place.
And now in TBC he just spell steals it, if he wants to arc missle you to death w/o having the priest counterspelled. If a mage even bothers, feedback makes a minor difference.
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 4:08am by Sjans
off topic
My example?
Quote Myself: it's not my writing,
this is just a look at how some one might use feedback. If you are already playing as a human priest and so you already have feedback then it would be dum not to use it in a scenario like this.
I'm not saying go play as a human priest and I'm not saying feedback is better then Will of the Forsaken.
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Spellsteal
requires level 70, 29% of Base Mana
Quote Myself: This next bit of writing is very old pre TBC...
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o really?
minor difference... and then the mage losses any way?
maybe you two need to have a talk.
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Sjans this is not the first time you have used such immaturity in your writing and I have been tolerating it in many posts.
But if you do this once more I will link it to the Allakhazam feedback.
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 4:48am by Maxzzzz
Sjans wrote:
youre example is flawed to the core
My example?
Quote Myself: it's not my writing,
this is just a look at how some one might use feedback. If you are already playing as a human priest and so you already have feedback then it would be dum not to use it in a scenario like this.
I'm not saying go play as a human priest and I'm not saying feedback is better then Will of the Forsaken.
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Sjans wrote:
And now in TBC he just spell steals it,
Spellsteal
requires level 70, 29% of Base Mana
Quote Myself: This next bit of writing is very old pre TBC...
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Sjans wrote:
feedback makes a minor difference.
o really?
MookusOU wrote:
When you fight an enemy caster it is almost always dead before it casts a second spell.
minor difference... and then the mage losses any way?
maybe you two need to have a talk.
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Sjans wrote:
Maxzzz, dear retarded cocunut...
Sjans this is not the first time you have used such immaturity in your writing and I have been tolerating it in many posts.
But if you do this once more I will link it to the Allakhazam feedback.
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 4:48am by Maxzzzz
Quote:
Sjans this is not the first time you have used such immaturity in your writing and I have been tolerating it in many posts.
Then stop posting! You dont even play the game. (maybe now you post an armory link..)
Quote:
But if you do this once more I will link it to the Allakhazam feedback.
Have a fieldday, mentally challenged cocunut! :P
It is youre example since you posted it, what inspired you to quote half a page of outdated irrelevant crap is also a mystery to me.
Which is faulty too bc:
Quote:
now i didnt add it but imagine this combat log with shadow weaving, blackout and V-E,...
Weaving and blackout dont proc with Feedback.
And spellsteal is 29% of base mana makes it cheaper then Blink which is 35%.
Check youre sources, actually comprehend game mechanics and answer the OP's question, dont mislead people and give bad advice like you do 90% of the time.
Ive said to myself i wouldnt react to you anymore, which at first i didnt,
i havent reacted to a lot of youre completly faulty, apples and oranges, theorycraft calculations.
But you spout such heresy here that its stronger then me and i couldnt stop myself. But i wont descrate another thread so ill try and ignore you again.
Then I wont try to keep the information quality up on this sub-forum and actually help people understand game mechanics, fine by me, i already know how stuff works.
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 5:33am by Sjans
Why you 2 still continue to fight, i don't know. But you both manage to fail seeing the flaws of the spell we are talking about.
It only lasts 15 seconds. It's of no use to cast it before fight. It burns a small ammount of mana (167 at level 70), so the damage it does doesn't even compare to the damage you get, and the mana the enemy has. Elune's Grace seems better. And Berserking is the best :P
It only lasts 15 seconds. It's of no use to cast it before fight. It burns a small ammount of mana (167 at level 70), so the damage it does doesn't even compare to the damage you get, and the mana the enemy has. Elune's Grace seems better. And Berserking is the best :P
Look guys if we don't like it then fine we don't like it.
If you don't want to talk about it then don't talk about it fine? fine!
But we are here in the 'Blackout and Feedback' thread, here to talk about Blackout and Feedback.
Part of doing an evaluation is looking at the best case scenario and then looking at the likely hood of that scenario.
So let me do a best case scenario with out all this name calling.
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quote myself FIRST post this thread: but even then it's seems too situational.
quote myself:...I'm not saying go play as a human priest and I'm not saying feedback is better then Will of the Forsaken.
What/Who are you talking about?
You are arguing with your imagination.
If you don't want to talk about it then don't talk about it fine? fine!
But we are here in the 'Blackout and Feedback' thread, here to talk about Blackout and Feedback.
Part of doing an evaluation is looking at the best case scenario and then looking at the likely hood of that scenario.
So let me do a best case scenario with out all this name calling.
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quote myself FIRST post this thread: but even then it's seems too situational.
quote myself:...I'm not saying go play as a human priest and I'm not saying feedback is better then Will of the Forsaken.
Sjans wrote:
...you spout such heresy here that...
What/Who are you talking about?
You are arguing with your imagination.
Quote:
But we are here in the 'Blackout and Feedback' thread, here to talk about Blackout and Feedback.
Part of doing an evaluation is looking at the best case scenario and then looking at the likely hood of that scenario.
Part of doing an evaluation is looking at the best case scenario and then looking at the likely hood of that scenario.
Read please, feedback doesnt proc blackout... That makes youre scenario 100% useless.
Youre scenario example suggested that it does proc, that is "heresy" and thats why i got flamy.
To explain why Elune's grace is nigh useless:
It is bc you can only dodge melee "white damage", so its ony usefull vs a rogue in the hope its slightly more difficult to get a crippling poison in.
The -167 ranged damage is kinda nice but only work vs hunter who rips through youre cloth hiney anyway.
And i dont know if youre sarcastic about beserk (troll racial?) but its quite nice, it saved my raid more then once. Boss does some nice AOE damage, most people are half dead, almost dead troll priest. Beserk > innerfocus+PoH > GH spam. And it stacks with bloodlust. Its nice enough to have it shortcutted on my keyboard :)
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 7:04am by Sjans
off topic
Feedback doesnt proc blackout, I think we have moved on from that.
Yes in the link Zombeat gos on to say...
quote Zombeat:
"...imagine this combat log with shadow weaving, blackout and V-E..."
but I have chosen to leave it out as it does not change the outcome.
Proc or no proc, at the time this slice of the quote would have held true.
...and so I think we can leave the OP's question behind now yes?
question answered! :)
Please try not to refer to it as my scenario, I have quotes from your posts in my posts but I do not necessarily agree with the quotes nor do I refer to it as my writing.
If I was to do a best case scenario it would be with Zombeat's old idea, that is why I have posted it here, and I would use upto date numbers.
which is not to say that it would necessarily come to a pro feedback conclusion,
(quote myself: too situational)
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Ow...
my bad, this was never my intention. Sorry for any confusion all.
heresy... am I that bad?
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hehe see we both love to go off the op's topic. :)
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yes... I am jealous of beserk
maybe you can help me with some thing?
I was thinking about a scenario where the troll priest was out of AOE range but still wanted the faster casting time from beserk.
Now that we have TBC you could go like...
Shadow Word: Death > Beserk > innerfocus +PoH
using the damage from your Shadow Word: Death for the beserk... good or no?
I have not played troll myself and don't know,
Berserking
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 8:56am by Maxzzzz
Sjans wrote:
feedback doesnt proc blackout... That makes youre scenario 100% useless.
Feedback doesnt proc blackout, I think we have moved on from that.
Yes in the link Zombeat gos on to say...
quote Zombeat:
"...imagine this combat log with shadow weaving, blackout and V-E..."
but I have chosen to leave it out as it does not change the outcome.
Proc or no proc, at the time this slice of the quote would have held true.
...and so I think we can leave the OP's question behind now yes?
question answered! :)
Please try not to refer to it as my scenario, I have quotes from your posts in my posts but I do not necessarily agree with the quotes nor do I refer to it as my writing.
If I was to do a best case scenario it would be with Zombeat's old idea, that is why I have posted it here, and I would use upto date numbers.
which is not to say that it would necessarily come to a pro feedback conclusion,
(quote myself: too situational)
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Sjans wrote:
Youre scenario example suggested that it does proc, that is "heresy" and thats why i got flamy.
Ow...
my bad, this was never my intention. Sorry for any confusion all.
heresy... am I that bad?
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Sjans wrote:
To explain why Elune's grace is nigh useless:...
hehe see we both love to go off the op's topic. :)
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Sjans wrote:
almost dead troll priest. Beserk > innerfocus+PoH > GH spam.
yes... I am jealous of beserk
maybe you can help me with some thing?
I was thinking about a scenario where the troll priest was out of AOE range but still wanted the faster casting time from beserk.
Now that we have TBC you could go like...
Shadow Word: Death > Beserk > innerfocus +PoH
using the damage from your Shadow Word: Death for the beserk... good or no?
I have not played troll myself and don't know,
Berserking
Edited, Apr 5th 2007 8:56am by Maxzzzz
So Feedback doesn't proc Blackout. Well, that sucks.
They should change the tooltip on Blackout.
They should change the tooltip on Blackout.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Maxzzzz wrote:
@ Sjans
Sjans wrote:
Discipline tree based spells that do shadow damage like Feedback...
No Sjans, Feedback is of the discipline tree but of the shadow School, just like how Power Word: Shield is of the discipline tree but the holy School. You need to get that one right, you are in no place to be teaching others.
[i]Edited, Apr 5th 2007 4:07am by Maxzzzz
That's funny. When I'm kicked or CS'd while healing, PW:S doesn't get blocked. Neither does PW:F. Smite, the various heals, and Holy Fire DO get blocked.
Take a look at your spell book. Which tab does the spell appear on? THAT is the school it belongs to. Honestly, I use Feedback so seldom (it IS a useless spell. Almost as useless now as it was pre-1.10 when they changed it), I don't even remember which tab it's on.
To answer Mazra's question - Blackout procs from Shadow (aka on the Shadow tab) spells. VT, MF, SW:P, SW:D ... they all can proc the Blackout. I doubt Feedback does. I know that Shadow damage WANDS don't.
Edited, Apr 6th 2007 11:18am by Shamandin
Just seems silly to call Mana Burn a discipline spell when it deals shadow damage.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Hey Shamandin,
nice to meet you.
I can understand your confusion,
Blizzard has tried simplifying things for new players by having only one word to refer too when talking about tree/skill and school. But when your working the numbers mathematically you just can't do that.
It is common misconception to confuse or to combine the two words, looking at Blizzard's 'tab' for both the school and the skill is once again common misconception. Blizzard's attempt at dumbing down the terms has resulted in some writers ignoring blizzard suggested terms entirely.
When blizzard uses the word 'school'...
eg, quote: Blizzard
"Counterspell:...preventing any spell from that school of magic..."
...they are talking about the same thing as thottbot's 'skill'.
Thottbot Priest Skills
Can you see this link? Note how at the top of the page you see the words...
"level, ability, skill, mana, range, school, cost, source."
blizzard's uses of the word 'school' (in the case of 'counterspell') has been supplemented by thottbot's uses of the word 'skill'.
Feedback
here you can see how 'skill' has been supplemented by the word 'line',
confusing? :) yes I know...
mathematically the words 'skill', 'line' and 'tree' are all the same thing but school is not the same thing.
look at the Lesser Heal ability in the first link...
can you see where it says skill and school? what has been written there?
Lesser Heal skill: Holy School: Holy
now lets look at the 'Power Word: Shield' ability, can you see the skill and school?
PW : Shield skill: Discipline School: Holy
When you get counterspelled (counterspell "spells from that school") while healing your shield doesn't get blocked,
this is becouse the 'skill' of Shield and Lesser Heal are different though the 'school' is not.
Talents apply to skill not school.
This is the kind of thing you will need to be thinking of if you want to be doing any +Healing/Damage math.
Edited, Apr 7th 2007 1:25am by Maxzzzz
nice to meet you.
Shamandin wrote:
When I'm kicked or CS'd while healing, PW:S doesn't get blocked...
Shamandin wrote:
Which tab does the spell appear on? THAT is the school it belongs to.
I can understand your confusion,
Blizzard has tried simplifying things for new players by having only one word to refer too when talking about tree/skill and school. But when your working the numbers mathematically you just can't do that.
It is common misconception to confuse or to combine the two words, looking at Blizzard's 'tab' for both the school and the skill is once again common misconception. Blizzard's attempt at dumbing down the terms has resulted in some writers ignoring blizzard suggested terms entirely.
When blizzard uses the word 'school'...
eg, quote: Blizzard
"Counterspell:...preventing any spell from that school of magic..."
...they are talking about the same thing as thottbot's 'skill'.
Thottbot Priest Skills
Can you see this link? Note how at the top of the page you see the words...
"level, ability, skill, mana, range, school, cost, source."
blizzard's uses of the word 'school' (in the case of 'counterspell') has been supplemented by thottbot's uses of the word 'skill'.
Feedback
here you can see how 'skill' has been supplemented by the word 'line',
confusing? :) yes I know...
mathematically the words 'skill', 'line' and 'tree' are all the same thing but school is not the same thing.
look at the Lesser Heal ability in the first link...
can you see where it says skill and school? what has been written there?
Lesser Heal skill: Holy School: Holy
now lets look at the 'Power Word: Shield' ability, can you see the skill and school?
PW : Shield skill: Discipline School: Holy
When you get counterspelled (counterspell "spells from that school") while healing your shield doesn't get blocked,
this is becouse the 'skill' of Shield and Lesser Heal are different though the 'school' is not.
Talents apply to skill not school.
This is the kind of thing you will need to be thinking of if you want to be doing any +Healing/Damage math.
Edited, Apr 7th 2007 1:25am by Maxzzzz
Maxzzzz wrote:
Hey Shamandin,
nice to meet you.
I can understand your confusion,
Blizzard has tried simplifying things for new players by having only one word to refer too when talking about tree/skill and school. But when your working the numbers mathematically you just can't do that.
It is common misconception to confuse or to combine the two words, looking at Blizzard's 'tab' for both the school and the skill is once again common misconception. Blizzard's attempt at dumbing down the terms has resulted in some writers ignoring blizzard suggested terms entirely.
When blizzard uses the word 'school'...
eg, quote: Blizzard
"Counterspell:...preventing any spell from that school of magic..."
...they are talking about the same thing as thottbot's 'skill'.
Thottbot Priest Skills
Can you see this link? Note how at the top of the page you see the words...
"level, ability, skill, mana, range, school, cost, source."
blizzard's uses of the word 'school' (in the case of 'counterspell') has been supplemented by thottbot's uses of the word 'skill'.
Feedback
here you can see how 'skill' has been supplemented by the word 'line',
confusing? :) yes I know...
mathematically the words 'skill', 'line' and 'tree' are all the same thing but school is not the same thing.
look at the Lesser Heal ability in the first link...
can you see where it says skill and school? what has been written there?
Lesser Heal skill: Holy School: Holy
now lets look at the 'Power Word: Shield' ability, can you see the skill and school?
PW : Shield skill: Discipline School: Holy
When you get counterspelled (counterspell "spells from that school") while healing your shield doesn't get blocked,
this is becouse the 'skill' of Shield and Lesser Heal are different though the 'school' is not.
Talents apply to skill not school.
This is the kind of thing you will need to be thinking of if you want to be doing any +Healing/Damage math.
Edited, Apr 7th 2007 1:25am by Maxzzzz
nice to meet you.
Shamandin wrote:
When I'm kicked or CS'd while healing, PW:S doesn't get blocked...
Shamandin wrote:
Which tab does the spell appear on? THAT is the school it belongs to.
I can understand your confusion,
Blizzard has tried simplifying things for new players by having only one word to refer too when talking about tree/skill and school. But when your working the numbers mathematically you just can't do that.
It is common misconception to confuse or to combine the two words, looking at Blizzard's 'tab' for both the school and the skill is once again common misconception. Blizzard's attempt at dumbing down the terms has resulted in some writers ignoring blizzard suggested terms entirely.
When blizzard uses the word 'school'...
eg, quote: Blizzard
"Counterspell:...preventing any spell from that school of magic..."
...they are talking about the same thing as thottbot's 'skill'.
Thottbot Priest Skills
Can you see this link? Note how at the top of the page you see the words...
"level, ability, skill, mana, range, school, cost, source."
blizzard's uses of the word 'school' (in the case of 'counterspell') has been supplemented by thottbot's uses of the word 'skill'.
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here you can see how 'skill' has been supplemented by the word 'line',
confusing? :) yes I know...
mathematically the words 'skill', 'line' and 'tree' are all the same thing but school is not the same thing.
look at the Lesser Heal ability in the first link...
can you see where it says skill and school? what has been written there?
Lesser Heal skill: Holy School: Holy
now lets look at the 'Power Word: Shield' ability, can you see the skill and school?
PW : Shield skill: Discipline School: Holy
When you get counterspelled (counterspell "spells from that school") while healing your shield doesn't get blocked,
this is becouse the 'skill' of Shield and Lesser Heal are different though the 'school' is not.
Talents apply to skill not school.
This is the kind of thing you will need to be thinking of if you want to be doing any +Healing/Damage math.
Edited, Apr 7th 2007 1:25am by Maxzzzz
Nice you hijacked your own thread, cocunut head.
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