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Yea, ignore him, he knows not what he says :P
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ive dps'd numerous times on my shadow priest in instances, and i'm almost always 2nd to rogues on the charts, otherwise 1st.
theres only 2 spells you need: SW:Pain, mind flay.
shadow vulnerability will keep stacking, and on boss fights/high HP mobs, your dps keeps rising and rising.
mind blast is used seldomly because of the high aggro it generates, i only use it in instances when given the thumbs up to burn em down, and i always have fade prepared in case i do pull aggro.
i prefer not to use vampiric embrace because dpsing + healing = a lot of aggro.
it seems when i use it i cant attack until the mob hits at least 90% or i'll pull aggro, though of course, its guaranteed to be used in a boss fight
attack sequence in instances should be (at least mine is):
vampiric touch, sw:pain, mind flay, mind flay, mind flay, mind flay...till death!
and on bosses:
vampiric embrace, vampiric touch, sw:pain, mind flay...you get the idea.
on a personal note, as a shadow priest, i'm overcome with joy everytime a druid/pally/shaman states he's healing specced :D
theres only 2 spells you need: SW:Pain, mind flay.
shadow vulnerability will keep stacking, and on boss fights/high HP mobs, your dps keeps rising and rising.
mind blast is used seldomly because of the high aggro it generates, i only use it in instances when given the thumbs up to burn em down, and i always have fade prepared in case i do pull aggro.
i prefer not to use vampiric embrace because dpsing + healing = a lot of aggro.
it seems when i use it i cant attack until the mob hits at least 90% or i'll pull aggro, though of course, its guaranteed to be used in a boss fight
attack sequence in instances should be (at least mine is):
vampiric touch, sw:pain, mind flay, mind flay, mind flay, mind flay...till death!
and on bosses:
vampiric embrace, vampiric touch, sw:pain, mind flay...you get the idea.
on a personal note, as a shadow priest, i'm overcome with joy everytime a druid/pally/shaman states he's healing specced :D
Sorry vantang...gonna have to disagree with you.
If you're not using VE, you're not using one of your largest assets. I hardly ever rip aggro, and if I do it's because of an "oops, just hit back-to-back crits on MB/SW:D for over 5k" not because of VE. Just wait for your tank to land a couple sunders before you go nuts and you should be ok. Your healer will love you on those occasional 6+ pulls.
And for the love of god, run a threat meter. If you see yourself getting ready to rip, then pull off...TOO EASY. If you're not running VT/VE, then why did they even bring you?
Sorry, if this sounds like a you're wrong/I'm right post - wasn't meant that way. I simply disagree. This is just the mentality I take in to a group when I go. Hurt as much as I can, heal as much as I can and provide back as much mana as I can.
My post to fudge, however, was a "you're wrong" post.
If you're not using VE, you're not using one of your largest assets. I hardly ever rip aggro, and if I do it's because of an "oops, just hit back-to-back crits on MB/SW:D for over 5k" not because of VE. Just wait for your tank to land a couple sunders before you go nuts and you should be ok. Your healer will love you on those occasional 6+ pulls.
And for the love of god, run a threat meter. If you see yourself getting ready to rip, then pull off...TOO EASY. If you're not running VT/VE, then why did they even bring you?
Sorry, if this sounds like a you're wrong/I'm right post - wasn't meant that way. I simply disagree. This is just the mentality I take in to a group when I go. Hurt as much as I can, heal as much as I can and provide back as much mana as I can.
My post to fudge, however, was a "you're wrong" post.
I'll agree with Azz on this one. VE is instant cast, gives EVERYONE life, and no matter what lvl you are it's only 40 mana.at lvl 61 I have almost 6k mana, and spells that do that much, and are instant cast for that little mana? Sign me up plz.
Yea, I'd like to give a few tips to ventang as well :P
Mind Blast/SWD rotations should be okay on trash, especially with a good tank. My experience is slightly strange, however, as I almost always run an extremely high-damage group (favorite is me, sm/ruin lock, feral druid or prot pally, resto/balance druid or holy pally, fire mage - major dps group).
You shouldn't have much for aggro problems running VE/VT, especially if you don't use Blast and Death very much. Bosses that allow (with a really good tank) it I usually run barely under aggro pull, hit Blast/Death, tank taunts, and my aggro ceiling just increased by a third :P
BoS helps a lot from pallies, of course, which is why I like to run with them. I usually run with a Disc priest as main healer, though, so trinket + PI + shadowfiend + refresh VT/Pain is excellent at the 45 second mark (when they both need refreshed).
Mind Blast/SWD rotations should be okay on trash, especially with a good tank. My experience is slightly strange, however, as I almost always run an extremely high-damage group (favorite is me, sm/ruin lock, feral druid or prot pally, resto/balance druid or holy pally, fire mage - major dps group).
You shouldn't have much for aggro problems running VE/VT, especially if you don't use Blast and Death very much. Bosses that allow (with a really good tank) it I usually run barely under aggro pull, hit Blast/Death, tank taunts, and my aggro ceiling just increased by a third :P
BoS helps a lot from pallies, of course, which is why I like to run with them. I usually run with a Disc priest as main healer, though, so trinket + PI + shadowfiend + refresh VT/Pain is excellent at the 45 second mark (when they both need refreshed).
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mind blast is a very mana inefficient spell, mind flaying continously does enough damage to burn down trash mobs. of course, when high dps is needed, as on bosses or high hp mobs, mind blast is used.
i like to constantly be pulling in an instance, and when done with the right group, instance times can be reduced by quite a lot, and really, isnt that all we're worried about?
i like to constantly be pulling in an instance, and when done with the right group, instance times can be reduced by quite a lot, and really, isnt that all we're worried about?
Seriously... some of you are stuck back in 2006... they normalized Mind Blast so it is no longer an aggro *****. Couple your mind blast with shadow affinity and you are actually down 25% threat generation as a whole. I use mind blast like it is going out of style. At level 64 I was critting for 1800+, then follow up with your mind flays until it recycles. Steal the kill with SW: D to get spirit tap. On to the next with little mana downtime.
As for all those people who think shadow priests are useless... find yourselves a holy Paladin. They get mana back from healing now so VE and VT on a boss and start dishing damage and watch as your Healadin never even gets to half mana. It is ridiculous and makes for a near perfect combination. Also, I use to love to be Shadow and heal in pre-bc instances and raids, now I more or less refuse or act as only a off healer popping out of shadow form when needed. It is too difficult and PuG's get pissed when anyone dies. Not worth the hassle. Louckily, on bonechewer I have found 95% of PuG's in Outlands actually know what they are doing now.
As for all those people who think shadow priests are useless... find yourselves a holy Paladin. They get mana back from healing now so VE and VT on a boss and start dishing damage and watch as your Healadin never even gets to half mana. It is ridiculous and makes for a near perfect combination. Also, I use to love to be Shadow and heal in pre-bc instances and raids, now I more or less refuse or act as only a off healer popping out of shadow form when needed. It is too difficult and PuG's get pissed when anyone dies. Not worth the hassle. Louckily, on bonechewer I have found 95% of PuG's in Outlands actually know what they are doing now.
Ventang, mana efficiency is worthless in trash, the goal is to down stuff fast. Even popping Mind Blast and Death whenever they're up, I drink less often than a mage, shammy, or healer. No point in NOT using them.
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Very cool stuff, all being said.
I've run SP to 65 now on PvE and have to say that I have no trouble healing efficiently when called upon. I have to change my mindset though, not my gear. I keep my gear at +heal/+damage. I'm at roughly 7500 mana at the moment.
My routine in 5 mans is to start in SF, wait for at least 2 sunders to go up. Target the tanks target. Cast VT, VE and SWP. Drop out of SF. Cast renew on the tank. Wand his target.
While wanding, check decursive. Renew all AOE casters. Shield and heal any in over their head. Heal the tank with a large heal, NOT FLASH. Flash is quick, but extremely mana in-efficient.
Switch back to SF. Focus back on Tanks target if the target is still standing.
Repeat as needed. Sometimes If I have to triage a little more I'll stay out of SF. I will always keep VE and Pain running on the MTs target.
Its all based on mana usage. I don't have it, I can't cast. So, I save, furiously. Besides, I have a wand that's doing almost 80 DPS.
I've run SP to 65 now on PvE and have to say that I have no trouble healing efficiently when called upon. I have to change my mindset though, not my gear. I keep my gear at +heal/+damage. I'm at roughly 7500 mana at the moment.
My routine in 5 mans is to start in SF, wait for at least 2 sunders to go up. Target the tanks target. Cast VT, VE and SWP. Drop out of SF. Cast renew on the tank. Wand his target.
While wanding, check decursive. Renew all AOE casters. Shield and heal any in over their head. Heal the tank with a large heal, NOT FLASH. Flash is quick, but extremely mana in-efficient.
Switch back to SF. Focus back on Tanks target if the target is still standing.
Repeat as needed. Sometimes If I have to triage a little more I'll stay out of SF. I will always keep VE and Pain running on the MTs target.
Its all based on mana usage. I don't have it, I can't cast. So, I save, furiously. Besides, I have a wand that's doing almost 80 DPS.
I can guarantee you won't be able to waste mana on Shadowform once you start running the level 70 instances. And you'll HAVE to have healing gear. I'm running 1k healing, 400 spirit, 38mana/5, and 7.8k unbuffed mana and I'm usually OOM by the end of a boss fight with everyone at half health without popping a single shadow spell.
Switching between shadow and healing in pre-70 instances should work fine, though, provided you're a good healer and don't get carried away with damage >.>
Edited, Apr 24th 2007 1:58pm by lsfreak
Switching between shadow and healing in pre-70 instances should work fine, though, provided you're a good healer and don't get carried away with damage >.>
Edited, Apr 24th 2007 1:58pm by lsfreak
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