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#1 Apr 06 2007 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I have been running a lot of instances lately with my 66 pally. Mainly Mana Tombs, Underbogs, Slave Pens and occasionally Ramparts. Anyway, I usually find my self being the main healer.

Earlier today I ran 'Pens where I main healed quite efficiently. Mind you, this was a PUG.

So, taking my positive run earlier, I decided to keep going and run Mana Tombs. I pair up with a rogue and shaman via LFG tool who immediately says 'I'll fill the rest of the group with my level 70 guildies'. I tell him that this is a great idea as I am just hoping for a Plate drop from the first boss.

Boy, it sure was great that I could rely on a group filled with guildies rather than random PUG's.

On my way to the meeting stone the leader asks, "Pally how much +heal do you have?". I promptly respond "114".

This is where I was immediately dubbed a complete noob (not to be confused with newb). After laughing, they ask how a holy spec could have such (explicit) healing gear? I respond that I am Ret + Holy, rather than complete Holy.

I tell them that I have main healed this instance, and I am completely capable of doing it again.

So, the leader then says that the shaman will Main Heal, because obviously Ribosome can't. Everyone laughs and agrees.

Well, we get into the instance and everything is going well. I did not put any of my "Greater blessing of" buffs on yet as they're really not necessary for the first pull. As being marked as a complete noob already, they tell me to buff them. Before I could even do it, they ask if I even know how to buff.

After that, they demand to have improved sanctity aura. I respond that I do not have it, and that my best aura is the Retribution Aura, as the devo aura is utterly useless on 70's with decimal additions to mitigation.

After they disagree, and I don't feel like arguing I put the aura on anyway. (After a few insults)

It is here where I decide to leave after the first boss, where my drop has a chance.

We get to the boss easy enough and they all tell me to off heal. They then explain how to off heal. I just keep my mouth shut.

After we down the boss, all of the guildies disconnect. I assume they didn't get their drop.

Okay, rant over.

So, how important is healing gear? I mean, I know 114 is not a lot. However, I wear PLATE. I have a lot of +int, and I do try to get as much +healing gear as possible. I suppose part of my question is, are they right to call me a complete noob?

My armory: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Nathrezim&n=Ribosome

Thank you.
#2 Apr 06 2007 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, obviously if you had MH that instance before, you can do it again. Of course +heal is needed for a healer, but so is skill and a group that knows what they are doing. You could have +1k healing, but if the group sucks, it don't mean squat. What I would do: slap all 4 on ignore and find out who thier GM is. Send them a tell/mail. Most GMs will listen and act accordingly cause nobody wants their guild to have a bad reputation.
#3 Apr 06 2007 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd say you shoulda not even bothered with them in the first place. You seem to be pretty much a warriordin...just with a little extra healing and mana tacked on. I wouldn't tell people you're holy, just ret with a holy subspec so you can make a decent healer too. When I respec to holy at 58, I'll be going for stuff like Imp SoR, Holy Shock, and all the damage-focused ones, so even though my build plan is 41/0/20 I'll tell people I'm ret simply because it's a damage-dealing build.
#4 Apr 06 2007 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks guys, it's refreshing to hear that I am not a complete noob.

Yes, I do agree that I should have ignored them. As for sending a message to their GM, I will definitely consider it because it's a good point about reputation.

Also a good point in telling people what spec I am, for it can be misleading.



Edit: The GM was in the group. D'oh

Edited, Apr 6th 2007 7:30pm by SirRibosome
#5 Apr 06 2007 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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Not to detract from the fact that the group you ended up in was outlandishly rude but...

If you're going to include "Holy" when you describe yourself at all (and frankly even if you're not) you really ought to have a healing set that you can wear. There is a TON of awesome healing plate in Outlands.

At 62 (Prot/Holy), my bonus healing (unbuffed) in my healing set is 392 (423 if I decide to swap out my shield for my offhand item). Now that you're in Outlands "wearing plate" isn't really an excuse as Blizzard sort of went overboard (Hooray!!) with the paladin gear - particularly the healing stuff. I should also note that I haven't purchased a single piece of gear and only a few gems since lvl 58 - all of my stuff has been drops.

So to avoid this in the future either just tell people you're Ret and forget any points you have in Holy or Get a healing set just in case. But again, I reccommend having that healing set. The other thing that may have been a concern to them is that you would have been healing 4 lvls higher than you and depending on what class they were that 114 could have made things tough on you.

But yes, your group consisted of complete twatwaffles and I would have left group as well.

#6 Apr 06 2007 at 4:02 PM Rating: Decent
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i can see where they are coming from. i wont question your ability. but spec and gear are your foundation. your spec is kinda gimped and you cant rely on just one set of gear as a pally.

i am a 66 ret pally as well. i have about 2-3 sets of gear.
1. 100% dps(which is in the armory as of now)
2. tank/dps
3. healing

my healing gear is mainly "of the sorceror" and gets me about 8k mana and 400+heal. i also made my spec very specific: full dps focus with a few support talents for groups, ie imp sanc.

spend the $ and buy some new gear, hone your spec a bit, and lvl your professions.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&n=Tommyguns

edit: added link

Edited, Apr 6th 2007 8:03pm by tommyguns
#7 Apr 06 2007 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for all the criticisms and critiques.

Yes, I do realize the itemization (not sure if that is the word) that Blizzard rewarded Paladins with in TBC. I was not blaming Blizzard for my lack of healing gear, rather I just did quests and replaced outleveled gear.


Tommy brought up a good point that I was oblivious to before. I had never heard of people having more than one set of gear in their bags. Now that I think of it, it seems so obvious.

Anyway, I'm going to visit the Auction House and get some sets and respec. Yeah, I did mess up last time I spec'd, which is why it's so 'gimped'.

As for professions, I use my alts for that.
#8 Apr 06 2007 at 8:41 PM Rating: Decent
When I was holy spec'd, I had over 1k to healing, which made my flash heals VERY effective, not to mention mana efficient, and thats what you want. We are the most mana efficient healers in the game, but without plus to healing, our flash heals are kind of gimped.

So the more +healing you have, without gimping the rest of your stats, the better.

Also, Ive ALWAYS ran with 3 different sets of gear for myself. Its always a good thing to keep that stuff around.
#9 Apr 06 2007 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
I applaud you for being able to MH Mana tombs with your spec and gear. The low-ish spell crit, mana regen, and bonus to healing makes healing that last boss quite a feat.

I was in a group as an mh for that instance once with 500 to my healing and a 10% base crit and something like 30mp5 w/out bow on and we still wiped on that last boss, though that's cuz the group sucked.

If you have MHed the instance before with a good group, you should be able to mh it a second time around with so many level 70s.

If I were you I'd have left the group and placed them all on ignore instead of putting up with the abuse.

Definately carry a second set of gear, your farming gear and your healing gear.
#10 Apr 07 2007 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
+144 semm as very little at your level. You should really have one healing gear and one farming gear, if not even more. I'm only lvl 60 and have around +450 healing. Had 570 before but had to little intellect (I count the +35% off my intellect bonus).

I think people here aready have told you what you need to do, get different gears for different purpose. But don't only look at +healing, MP5 is importnt to. Imo you should have around 60MP5 at your lvl if you've in some way good gear. And don't gimp you mana pool to much just for +healing. SPell critical is very usefull if you have Divine Illumination, as the crit heals are for free.
#11 Apr 07 2007 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Druids do this too. Possibly 3-4 sets of gear for them though. 1 for tanking, 1 for DPS, 1 for solo, 1 for healing. That means plus str/stam, either +nature damage/mana or +agility/strength, +agility/stamina, and +healing/mana.
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