Is healing in a duel cheap/cheating?Follow

If he's 11 levels higher than you, he should have won even if he didn't have his pet. If you beat him then you are either extremely good or he is extremely bad.

Edited, Apr 9th 2007 11:18pm by TyroVersionTwo

Healing is always fine in duels.

WTF if healing wasn't allowed then whats the points of a paladin.

They nerfed us because we can heal! So then w/o healing we're just a nerfed warrior!

I hate when people say "you cheater f*cking healing, then /spit /slap /laugh and run away.Lol ok run away, just remember i beat you ;)

My favorite way is to follow someone else and heal all that damage that the enemy is doing. Also, I throw grenades.

But if you're retribution specced, you'll find you have quite a bit of burst damage comparatively at that level, so you can, in theory, burst someone down. Remember to Blessing of Freedom against those damned kiting mages and shamans(I've seen shamans purge 4 times in all the time I've BG'ed). Kiting hunters will outrun you with Aspect of the Cheetah, unless you can find a way to close the distance(grenades are my usual method). Once you catch them, though, it's all good(if you've specced Guardian's Favor).

And don't be afraid to carry potions. Always a good idea.

True to an extent. 11 levels is quite a gap, but a late-fight full heal is a hard obstacle to overcome.

Some people look at duels as "I pwn u n00b" fights, but in reality it's the best way to learn how to fight a certain class. Fighting someone of equal or higher levels will help you learn to maximize your skills in a serious fight, especially if you are on a PvP server. That being said, from the sounds of it you were looking to test out your skills, so a better fight would have been a hunter close to your level with a pet. That is more realistic to what you will face rather than one that is "gimped" with range only. It's a good idea to learn how to deal with both the ranged and pet issues of a hunter.

BUT, since it was a duel, there is nothing wrong with testing out one aspect of a fight (i.e. range only). If your hunter buddy was a tool for you to learn off of, then healing is perfectly acceptable. In fact, it always is. Bubbles, heals, buffs, etc are all part of the bags of tricks we have, so to intentionally not use them in duels means you aren't learning every aspect of your character. From the sounds of it, your hunter buddy figured he'd still hammer you without his pet and was a little surprised when you won. A different of 11 levels is significant and, just perhaps, there was a little embarrassment at losing.

I have to agree with Gotwa on this one. I try to shy away from using anything that wouldn't be available for me to use if my opponent or I requests a re-match (bubble, LoH, etc). Of course, if I notice my opponent using one of their similar abilities, then the gloves are off.

Also, I'd always use healing unless I had specifically agreed not to before-hand for some reason (perhaps I'm higher level than my opponent). Staying power is one of our biggest advantages, and without healing, we're giving up a lot of our staying power.

Oh, and congrats on beating your hunter friend Magnus. You should try and take him on with his pet and see how you do.

Gotta agree with Gotwa here. I feel you should definitely be able to use heals in battle, and I'd go as far as to say bubbles are fine too. For those who disagree on the bubble part because of a longer cool down time, then what's the line? 1 minute? 2 minutes? Just out of curiosity I'd like to know. Also, if Pallys can't heal, then rogues can't use vanish, no fear or demons for locks, no traps or pets for hunters...you get my point? But I completely agree with Lay on Hands. Plus, I'd feel like a real *** if I ran an instance after the duel, and someone in the instance could've used a LoH so the group didn't get wiped, and I have to say, "Oh, sorry, 20 min left I used it in a duel." That would go over real well. =D

my view on dueling:

EVERYTHING goes. generally, the point is victory. whether you feel a 1-hour cooldown or a 3g pot is worth expending to win is up to you. whether your reputation is worth expending, again is up to you.

in BGs, people often complain of the other team using pots. the people that complain are just not as willing to win. dont fault someone for being more dedicated than you. same goes for twinks, if you complain about twinks in the lower levels then quit showing up for NASCAR in your mom's minivan.

Well I did duel him two more times after that night. Once without heals/bubbles and pets and once with everything. We even laid some money on the line since we actually know eachother. Without my heals/bubbles, I got him to about 1/4 health before he stunned me and raped me from a far. He likes to fight up close as a hunter, or else I wouldn't have even gotten him that far. The third and final duel where "anything goes" was in play, we acctually were at so long i had the chance to bubble twice. I even used LoH to get a full heal. I pulled out the final win with a LoH, Seal of Command, HoJ, Judement combo that crit so i got real lucky. was out of mana and had no potions, so it was a last ditch effort that paid off. He learned more then i did out of all this...hunters range attacks do ALOT more damage then a hunters melee attacks, so intill im a closer level, this was our last duel. got 2 bucks outta of it too!hah

I totally agree with ELhoffa =D
Healing is part of a paladins class as is it part of a preists class but I rarely hear complaining about a preist putting up their sheild and healing themsleves!?

I am a paladin myself and we take as much slander as any other class but.....the Bubble/healing complaining really should be stopped. If it really was such an unfair advantage over every other class Blizz would have nerfed us even more =P

They heard us. . . .

Yup. I totaly agree with you Linalious. The shield and the healing powers are a part of our class. Both in PvP and PvE, in fact the healing skill need to be used rapidly to kill most of the Players you meet. Throw Seal of crusader on the enemy, hit them a litle bit, Heal before you get under 50% in health, bash them some more, use the SoComand HoJ combo when they start to when they got quite a low health and brutaly slaugher them with HoW. A palladin kill other players by slowly grinding them down into a pile of minced meat. But what is the shield good for? Simple, Its a red button skill, Do only use it when you are near death (somewhere between 50% and 30% health points). In fact, a shield in the right second can turn the whole table to your advantage. And if someone starts to whine about the healing or shield stuff. He/she can go and delete her char of learn how to kill you, and if a Horde/alliance starts to use the /chicken macro, just give them a very good beating as a punishment for not fleeing when they had the chance.
By the way. I made this talent tree in the way I think a palla should fight in PvP: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sVxhZZVfet00hVIst

Let's see what the enemies think when they meet someone with the complete tree eh?

u'd get pwnt by a prot/holy spec ><