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I'm getting kind of disappointed in the Arena messing up PVE life. First it was that Frost Nova/Ice Lance was overpowered and now they "fix" the double Ice Block? Just probably listening to the Warlocks again... "OK, we can load a mage up with DoTs, take their Water Elemental out of combat, and then they Ice Block twice in a row. Hey Blizzard, can you do anything to fix that?"

If I read that Frost Nova change right, it sounds like they're increasing the breakage to now be on any kind of damage (not just a crit) for mobs over level 60. That Water Elemental will get me killed yet, not just when he crits.

Oh well, I QQ'd about Frost Nova and I'll QQ about Ice Block. But I'll live, won't be quitting WoW, and will continue to play my mage over playing my warrior.

Blazer, 70 Gnome Mage

I missed that, when did they say it and how on earth did they figure out it is an exploit?
Why is it an exploit?
An exploit would be abusing game mechanics in a way that the mobs for example have no way to hit the mage while he killed them and AoE is far from that.
I hope hunter kiting of elites is not an exploit too 'cause I enjoyed soloing party quests by kiting lv 70 elites all the way from shadowmoon to shattrath city...
Lol I still kite elites every now and then for the fun of it and always enjoy seeing other players follow me just to see if I'll get killed :D
If you can use AoE to blizard or flamestrike one mob why not do it to 10-20-100 mobs?

Edited, Apr 13th 2007 7:27pm by Karamonde

that 20 to 8 seconds is for polymorph but now they cant get out of it :O

This adds a bit more raid and instance viability, and will make frost mages more desireable(sp?) than before, but this won't bring them on par with fire mage DPS by a longshot.

However, it does lessen the gap between Arcane/Frost and Deep Frost builds.



The PvP nerfs don't bother me, as when PvP is nerfed a bit more, then people will be less able to complain about us in any legitimate way, which will mean that we could start seeing some kind of PvE buffs.

Honestly, I think the best thing they could do for the mage class is to nerf 3 minute mages. Not necessarily the damage they do, but perhaps maybe make it so AP + PoM can't be used together. That would make it a lot harder for people to make any kind of valid case as to mages being overpowered. Instant cast AP PoM Pyro stands out as a mark of the mage class to many, and the whining would go away(or at least focus on someone else) if they did that. That would open up the ability for Devs to look at us and fix itemization for mages, which is the real problem, imo.

I think the class itself is fine, but I'd love to see some gear out there that's better for us.

I know, I'm just throwing ideas out there. Though yours would likely work pretty well too.

And actually, I could see the use in the two spells separately(AP Suicide AoEs, for instance, and a quick burst of a non-AP pyro on a single enemy fight).

Oh, I know...it's just that those numbers stick out more in people's heads than the 2 and a half minutes where the mage was an easy kill.

I'd say any change like this would likely need to be balanced by giving them some other form of PvP viability, but I'm currently unsure what it would be.

While I agree with you, it's a problem of perception to the drooling masses of the Oboards. Just because there's balance, but they don't see nor understand it, that one combination of talents is giving many a perception of mages being overpowered.

Unfortunately, the squeaky wheel is getting the grease, as it were, and we're not being looked at objectively in other areas.

Though, in the end, I'd still rather they give us the synergy I spoke of in the other thread, or something like it.

Luckily my brain can't process half that ****. Hell I love mage, better yet, it doesn't effect me thankfully, but even when it has you haven't seen me whine. I am more concerned with the instance retuning than anything, which I feel is justified. Though I suppose every single person on the O-Boards thinks the same.

I look at it this way, after all the new content, and the questlines I am sure we must face for that mount, getting level 70 gold for each quest shouldn't be much of a problem in farming gold.

He's lieing out his ***.

There's lots of good screenshots and info on World of Raids including a new vid from Fanatik of the Tier 6 set for all classes and previews of Black Temple. Just check the latest news section of the main page.

In particular, they have a screenshot of the Netherdrake Quest chain and Mage Tier 6 stats and screenshot.

Indeed.

Also, have you seen the images of the Nether Ray mount?

you might consider putting your talents where you want to and playing the way you want to rather than obeying the nagging raid leader... but i guess that depends on how much you believe in that raid group.