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same way people play a broken game?

Wow, if that is the way they are going to release the patch to live, it will pretty much kill the Frostbite talent. A few random procs of Frostbite making your target immune to both Frost Nova and Freeze? What are the Blizzard devs thinking?

If that's the way it's going to be, I'm most definitely not speccing Frostbite (and maybe not Water Elemental) for PvP.

Personally, as a player, I like guilds that do not have required specs, but specs they recommend(and sometimes reward).


Oh, and don't forget that as a full frost mage, all the Arcane/Frost mages are leeching winter's chill off of you making you very valuable. Remember, pulling your own weight isn't just about the damage you do, it's also about the damage you enable.

The best raiders don't need to be told to pot up. They do so on any serious attempt unless specifically told not to.

Edited, Apr 17th 2007 12:35am by Poldaran

Please clarify whatcha meant, I may have misunderstood.

BTW, I was basically agreeing with you, just adding a thought of my own.

Edited, Apr 17th 2007 1:13am by Poldaran

I dont know how people play in a raiding guild that doesnt say this.

Its TBC now, no slackers allowed, everyone on 110% efficiency and all that jazz.

If youre going to waste 4 nights a week raiding and the other 3 nights farming for mats i would be pissed off that someone sub-optimal would be in raid for care-bear reasons only.

When raiding i had pride to be the best mage i can be, people who didnt care about being the best mage or class they can be and just cruising along in the name "its just a game" (if you play 5-6 nights a week, its not "just a game") were quickly booted from guild.
Thats what a serious raiding guild is about, people who do anything for the team. And take pride and joy out of that. Guilds that didnt genrerally didnt make it past BWL.
Imo, people even thinking about being sub-par being defendable arent suitable for raiding.
They dont posses the "raiding spirit" you might have heard about. (taking enormous pride in being the best you can be)

And in TBC elitist behavior even got more important for success.



The two serious raiding guilds ive been in it was the other way around.
To prevent wasting resources on people who dont know the fight.

Edited, Apr 17th 2007 5:25am by Sjans

I did kara this sunday.. we were 3 mages. I did damage as the two other mages added together. How do YOU think i felt when i knew we couldn't down TBBW because we didn't have enough dps? And that's basically their own fault.
I made some stressing calls to the raid leaders to *make* the tank respecc to get piercing howl. It should be more team-work in a raid-guild. Wanna just *play the game* ? Don't join a raid guild.. go pvp, go do instances.. i dunno. But don't expect the raid leaders to PICK you if you're not the best you can be.

Just as a note... Even now (prior to Patch 2.1.0) AoE grinding in Outland is not very good. A lot of the mobs have special abilities to charge and/or stun you. Plus, many of the heavily populated areas also have a lot of wandering caster mobs. It's actually much better to quest grind once you hit Outland.

sorry, don't take it hard =\ i only meant that it's weird for people to not know the terminology of games they play...

really thanks for the tip in that case yeah fire for sure with my current build i cant even stand to quest i really cant wait to see the outlands plan on paying a visit to the outlands in about a week or two =) thanks fire is much better at quest grinding at least in my opinion i tried a frost pve group build didnt match my play style i like to kill things fast and move onto the next target not slow it down and kite it to death.