who says Paladins cant do dps?Follow

Things change as you get to a higher level too. For example, a warrior's rend is the most powerful ability in his ******* before level 10, at the mid-20's it's somewhat useful, but after level 40 you only use it to DOT rogues to keep them from vanishing, not for any sort of damage output. Paladins have very high DPS at the lower levels, but it tapers.

Of course, ret still can DPS, and holy has some talents, but go in with a prot or a healadin and try to DPS and you'll find out why we're so damn slow.

Iv'e yet to see a paladin at the top of the damage meters, and i doubt i ever will.

lol, u knew i'd jump in here. what happened to Gaudion btw?

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more on the way

Paladins can get decent DPS, but compared to the other claases its kind of pathetic. I dont care what you say Tommy, Ret. pallies pale in comparisn to every other classes DPS/Melee build. Maybe we can keep up with Enh. Shaman since windfury got nerfed, but I dont know.



Probally on the shaman forums -.- I'll take over for him with your guys usual argument.

you see a pally on top and you automatically assume: shenanigans!

nothing out of the ordinary. i wasn't critting lil snakes or consecrating everything in sight. in fact my screenie doesn't show me throwing holy wraths out at the non-leet skellies later on. nobody was gimped or afk. just plain *** whoopin.



i don't understand "There are classes much more suited for DPS". i did out-dps them. therefore i am much more suited for dps. unfortunately they are ONLY dps.

i was OT the whole run and #2 in healing. i ended just behind the hunter for dps due to spot healing on a couple bosses because the hunters and warlocks required extra healing.

question is: why not take 3 Ret pallies for dps. if the pally can out-dps the warlock/hunter AND withstand more dmg AND cast 2 stuns per min AND prevent wipe AND heal themselves AND increase the parties utility AND bounce aggro as needed?

people get defensive when you make their roll look futile

i've said so many times ingame:

pallys can do anything,.... except CC. Stuns dont last long enuf.

Setai, marry me?

As far as this discussion goes? Gratz on the screenies. They're cute.

Here's the question: how many people was your damage meter synced with? That you got highest damage by your meters is great and all, but when I run unsynced meters I usually show that hunters do less than 2/3 of the damage I deal, when in fact the synced meters prove they did more damage than me.
Unsynced meters = useless egobooster.
Now, if they were synced, gratz to you. I haven't been able to do isntances myself for a while, so I'm forgetting the total damage output on each instance, so I can't tell for sure how great the total damage is, but I'm pretty sure it's still very good ;)

Edited, Apr 17th 2007 12:28am by lsfreak

At one point, I believed my Paladin could out-DPS many other classes. I've discovered that, while correct skill use can heavily increase my damage output, when playing with equal-leveled and equal-skilled members of other classes my damage output simply does not add up.

Don't get me wrong, the damage a Paladin does is an excellent addition to any team, but by no means does it compare to that of the other classes. Maybe if I spent a ton of money building a set of astronomically high +STR and +AGI gear, I would rank up there on the DPS scale, but it's really not worth it to me.

The beauty of the Paladin does not come from our ability to deal damage quickly. We have no need at all to send out as much damage as a Rogue or Warlock, and with good reason.

We have massive survivability.

We're made to slowly deal damage over time while our enemies go psychotic with every blast in their ******* trying to find a hole in our armor. And when they do? *Bam*, we are back at full life again, still slowly cutting away their lifebar, and much to their dislike still standing.

As for your three-Paladin idea, I seriously do not recommend it. While the team you have built in your head may seem perfect to you, you are obviously too full of your class' abilities. The most effective possible team is one with a variety that works well together.

So what if Paladins cannot match the DPS of the other classes? We arguably have the longest lifespan, and thanks to our Auras, Buffs, and Heals we can increase the lifespan of an entire party tenfold. Let the Warlocks and Mages blast away, let the Fighters, Rogues, and Hunters show your enemies what real melee damage is, and let the Priest and Druid back you up while you back up everyone else; They would all have wiped already without you.

But, you know what?

You would be dead without them, too.

=)

Yeah... Aren't a lot of fighting styles that benefit more from WF than a big, fat, slow two-hander.

But anyway. Like it was said in this thread or other threads: Maybe you can use Retro to its full potential, contrarily to many players, but the average Rogue will still out-DPS the average Retro Pally. Same for Mages or any other class. Pally is just about the last class made for DPSing. Not that they can't, cause yeah they have the amazing holy damage skills which bypass armor and all, but they just don't measure up to good players with hardcore DPS classes.

Edited, Apr 17th 2007 10:31am by Selverein

my first Shattered Halls run :D got my mount and lvl 70 spells. now im broke.

http://www.geocities.com/tommy0guns/417SHdps.jpg

Forget showing the meters, I want to see this in person...

Oh no, a tanking pally will be putting out lots of damage, as unlike a warrior most of his threat comes directly from damage (similar to a druid). It's just that it shouldn't be comparing to primary DPS at all.
Also, at least in the groups I'm with, rogues are almost always the worst DPS. I'm generally slightly above them (on synced meters), and I rarely get more than 67% of the top DPS'er damage. Though that's probably because the group I run with has a tendency to kill the mob before they can get enough combo points on most trash >.>