I just recently switched from Retri to Prot and I was wondering if that means that STA should be my primary stat with INT as a secondary?
Right now, at lvl 47, I have +112 STR with a total of 222, +97 STA with a total of 195, and +10 INT for a total of 77. So I've been covering STR and STA pretty evenly but have left out INT almost completely.
Now this lack of INT is very noticeable as I probably drink after every other fight or so, unless I try to string it along with BoW or SoW. So should I be going for more +INT which lets me cast/heal longer and thus live longer and actually able to do a decent amount of dps from spells (judgements, Hammer of Wrath, Consecration etc..) as well, or should I keep going for STR to help offset the loss of dps switching from ret to prot.
Also as kind of a side note, in the 40-49 bracket, does ret, prot, or holy usually do better in pvp? Although it was fun to deal a huge double critical from Seal of Command, it feels like I can heal others more and do more for the overall win as a prot pally.
Edited, Apr 17th 2007 12:52am by Talidars
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I focus on Stamina more, but that's me. I always try to get lots of Stamina regardless of the class. And since Pallies win fights by outlasting others, that even strengthens my thirst for more Stamina. ;P
Strength is, of course, nice to have but not as much as people would think as a Prot. You'll rely more on Reckoning procs along with the holy damage from SoR.
Overall I'd say your order of Stam -> Int -> Str is alright. Maybe I'd try to get an equal amount of Int and Str. In my case I still have a lot more Str than Int and I don't have to drink all that much. It depends how you play.
Tell me... you're not one of those Pallies who spam Consecration during a fight because they think it helps their DPS, right? (In a non-tanking situation, that is)
Just always try to get around 3 mobs on you, JoL/JoW on one and SoL/SoW on yourself and let the Reckoning procs do all the work. Holy Shield once in a while if you feel like it.
EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot about the PvP thing. I'd say go Holy if you want to help as much as possible. Nothing equals a healer in BG's. If you wanna be a leet DPS dude like 80% of the population and their mothers, go Retro or something.
Edited, Apr 17th 2007 8:01am by Selverein
Strength is, of course, nice to have but not as much as people would think as a Prot. You'll rely more on Reckoning procs along with the holy damage from SoR.
Overall I'd say your order of Stam -> Int -> Str is alright. Maybe I'd try to get an equal amount of Int and Str. In my case I still have a lot more Str than Int and I don't have to drink all that much. It depends how you play.
Tell me... you're not one of those Pallies who spam Consecration during a fight because they think it helps their DPS, right? (In a non-tanking situation, that is)
Just always try to get around 3 mobs on you, JoL/JoW on one and SoL/SoW on yourself and let the Reckoning procs do all the work. Holy Shield once in a while if you feel like it.
EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot about the PvP thing. I'd say go Holy if you want to help as much as possible. Nothing equals a healer in BG's. If you wanna be a leet DPS dude like 80% of the population and their mothers, go Retro or something.
Edited, Apr 17th 2007 8:01am by Selverein
What does it matter? In the end you'll have to re specialize to Holy to cope with your guild's raiding and you'll be blamed if you suck. I have been many times i just want to be able to re specialize to Retribution. To get what you want you have to play along. When Crystalforge Battlegear is mine, RET HERE I COME AND BYEBYE. Reroll on Earthern Ring Shaman Draenei =)
Ever had a total of 3k SoC proc?
and you do know Tanking is about threat and not damage right? =) All builds are good in PvP. You can heal if you're holy, you can offtank (since most people think paladins suck at tanking) guards and stuff or you can DPS the donkeys out of those dwarves in AV. Lol.
You tank with Holy shield, have it up, block and you gain threat. Have Righteous fury on too =) and spam your holy spells ( Consecration is not really needed )use Seal of Righteous+ness? ( Haven't been a tank for awhile, i suck at it) .
Reckoning is needed. Gives you an extra kick to your damage. I play with critical strikes so go figure.
Go with 41 Ret + 5 Imp Devo aura + 15 into Holy.
OR
Go with 41 Holy + 5 Imp Devo aura + 15 into Retribution
OR
Go with 41 Protection + 20 into whatever you want.
Paladins DPS - They laugh at you
Paladins Tank - They mock you
Paladins Heal - They love you
I say go with 41 Holy + 5 Imp Devo aura + 15 into Retribution. Worked for me but i'm missing out my DPS...
Ever had a total of 3k SoC proc?
and you do know Tanking is about threat and not damage right? =) All builds are good in PvP. You can heal if you're holy, you can offtank (since most people think paladins suck at tanking) guards and stuff or you can DPS the donkeys out of those dwarves in AV. Lol.
You tank with Holy shield, have it up, block and you gain threat. Have Righteous fury on too =) and spam your holy spells ( Consecration is not really needed )use Seal of Righteous+ness? ( Haven't been a tank for awhile, i suck at it) .
Reckoning is needed. Gives you an extra kick to your damage. I play with critical strikes so go figure.
Go with 41 Ret + 5 Imp Devo aura + 15 into Holy.
OR
Go with 41 Holy + 5 Imp Devo aura + 15 into Retribution
OR
Go with 41 Protection + 20 into whatever you want.
Paladins DPS - They laugh at you
Paladins Tank - They mock you
Paladins Heal - They love you
I say go with 41 Holy + 5 Imp Devo aura + 15 into Retribution. Worked for me but i'm missing out my DPS...
Talidars wrote:
I just recently switched from Retri to Prot and I was wondering if that means that STA should be my primary stat with INT as a secondary?
That's the way I'm going, although I'm also trying to pay attention to high armour gear - eg the Heavy Mithril Breatplate I got myself crafted by a Blacksmith. I haven't yet had a suitable upgrade drop for me so far, that's 11 levels out of that thing.
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Now this lack of INT is very noticeable as I probably drink after every other fight or so, unless I try to string it along with BoW or SoW. So should I be going for more +INT which lets me cast/heal longer and thus live longer and actually able to do a decent amount of dps from spells (judgements, Hammer of Wrath, Consecration etc..) as well, or should I keep going for STR to help offset the loss of dps switching from ret to prot.
I think this has mainly to do with playstyle. The most efficient way to get good DPS out of Prot, in my limited experience, is through reckoning procs. Which means I usually judge Light and Seal either Light or Ret depending on amount and toughness of mobs, then let the seal run its course. I rarely end up mana dry. The key is having 3-5 mobs pounding on you, though, and switch to the next one once your current target is around 15%, then consecrate once when the last one is down. And then it's collect exp and drops time.
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Also as kind of a side note, in the 40-49 bracket, does ret, prot, or holy usually do better in pvp? Although it was fun to deal a huge double critical from Seal of Command, it feels like I can heal others more and do more for the overall win as a prot pally.
I've been playing battle medic in BGs since I respecced to prot. Always end up top healer, and interestingly enough, if I attach myself to one or two damage dealers (warriors in most cases), they end up top DPS.
Anarchism wrote:
What does it matter? In the end you'll have to re specialize to Holy to cope with your guild's raiding and you'll be blamed if you suck.
It does matter insofar as the OP won't give a damn about endgame raiding builds and gear if he has a full 24 levels to go through in the most enjoyable fashion possible.
Anarchism wrote:
What does it matter? In the end you'll have to re specialize to Holy to cope with your guild's raiding and you'll be blamed if you suck.
Not always the case, depends on your guild. My GM is actually quite pleased to have me stay Prot spec to tank. He was nervous/sceptical at first, but after seeing me in action, was all for the idea of me tanking, sometimes MT, in our raids.
Anarchism wrote:
and you do know Tanking is about threat and not damage right? =)
Except in a Paladins case where greater Holy damage = greater threat, but other then that yes, good to point out :)
Anarchism wrote:
You tank with Holy shield, have it up, block and you gain threat. Have Righteous fury on too =) and spam your holy spells ( Consecration is not really needed )use Seal of Righteous+ness? ( Haven't been a tank for awhile, i suck at it) .
Tank with Righteousness until you have Seal of Vengeance (providing you are Alliance, the TRUE Paladins), then use that: SoV >>> SoR for holding aggro.
Anarchism wrote:
Paladins DPS - They laugh at you
Paladins Tank - They mock you
Paladins Heal - They love you
Paladins Tank - They mock you
Paladins Heal - They love you
As much as I hate it ... QFT.
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(providing you are Alliance, the TRUE Paladins)
*cough*
Says the Pally in a guild called "Dark Crusaders".
I'll keep bending the Light, thank you. :P
Maulgak wrote:
Tank with Righteousness until you have Seal of Vengeance (providing you are Alliance, the TRUE Paladins), then use that: SoV >>> SoR for holding aggro.
And if you're Horde, the TRUE Blood Knights, use Righteousness until you have Seal of Blood, and as soon as 2.1 goes live, use SoB to solve any problems linked to the Spiritual Attunement nerf no longer giving back mana when you're at full health.
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