If arcane work in pveFollow

I want know if all out arcane build can work in pve & if so some examples please.

Yes. I ran into an 'arcane mage' (61/0/0) in Steam Vaults 2 days ago... it was really wierd seeing someone chaincast arcane blast for the whole fight. Mana efficiency was terrible, but damage wasn't as bad as you might think.

All arcane? -rides away laughing-

Logging onto the PTR and respeccing http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oixVcMfzxIuioxx (went for mana shield as I expected to get hit alot)

Then a trip to the back temple and some grinding of the BEs. Arcane int and Mage armour both in use.

Starting with arcane blast -> arcane missle -> fireblast (if required) kills most mobs though they do get in at least 3-4 hits.

Adding in frostbolt -> arcane missles > fireblast reduces it to a single hit without crits. Arcane missle hits for 511 normal (1260 with Ap + trinket). A clearcast + AP + critical hits results in arcane missles killing or near killing a single mob (49% chance on a clearcast). With a few crits a standard AM is enough to take near 2/3's of a mob's life.

I threw a couple of talents in Fire as my intention idea was to open with a fireball and on the off chance of a crit, Spell Power + ignite has always been nice. However starting with frostbolt and then AM followed by fire blast results in you receiving an average of 1 hit before the mob is dead.

Problems: most of your time is spent rooted perfectly still for the casts. Though with talents arcane missles is not interruptable but arcane blast at 2.5 seconds is. Also often you're left feeling that every clearcast should be used on AM especially apparent when having to "waste" one on a frost nova to gain some space.

Slow is too expensive to be used regularly, though it does effect otherwise snare immune mobs, which at 627 mana from a 9810 mana pool per 15 seconds to keep up + attacking quickly drains you dry. I guess if you wanted to 2 man kite a boss/elite with a secondary caster this could be usable.

Theorycrafts states
Arcane Missle (51/10/0)
Average hit at 2903
Critical Strike rating 19% for (4455 - 4465 damage)
Max Damage until OOM at 39.69K in 68 Seconds.
True mana cost 721.

Back on live with a 10/48/3 spec
Fireball
Average hit at 1891
Critical Strike rating 25.30% for (2006 - 2292)
With Ignite (2808 - 3209)
Max Dmage until OOM at 54.40K in 86 seconds
True mana cost 312.7

Without ignite AM comes close to double the damage for double the mana, but in the long run fireball is going to take it. Possibly clearcasts and sensible AP usage could average out more so in an arcane build's favour along with 30% more threat reduction over Fire to make it more appealing.

I'd spec arcane mainly for the chance to play something different, not to top the Damage charts.

I think you guys miss what was saying I want to know if you couls go deep into arcane have viable build for pve, I know there no all out build that work except for frost. This build for mainly pve, I don't do raids at all.

I beg to differ.

I was FULL arcane spec up until 2 days ago. I did very well in PvE. The downside to arcane build is you need decent DMG gear to get a good bonus to your arcane missiles. But the +Spell damage and +Crit chance talents make this build very viable.

I recently respeced last night to 43/18/0 for some PvP action. This build has great DPS as long as you have the gear to back it up.

Here is my current spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=obxVc0fzxIuiZxxMzf

Lol... I was 0/51/0 for a while. :-) Not bad in the DPS dept, but helped when I added arcane. Right now, sitting on 34/27/0. If I were to go all in with arcane, this is the build I would get.

Mana efficiency is nothing unless you are talking about killing high health items (e.g. bosses). Even here, with a competent group, you can kill instance bosses (but I wouldn't set foot inside kara).

I would say mana efficiency is the end-all for RAIDING mages, but even that is not 100% accurate. I chose a specifically less efficient spec because I wanted to do some PvP as well (for some perverse reason, I am *really* enjoying it). The arcane mage I ran SV with the other night was OOM (or close to it) after most of the fights, but... amazingly enough, she had water that she could drink. She also was only a few K off of where I was in damage. She only ran OOM on 1 fight at the end and it didn't matter (the boss was dead within 20 seconds of her OOM). Could she have been more efficient? Yes. If everyone *had* to take the most mana efficient build, then we'd all walk around with the same talent points, but that is not the case.

*edit: ktangent was critted by 35K for super text wall.... L2BeBrief!

Edited, Apr 20th 2007 1:05pm by ktangent

I think the point that was trying to be made is that in instances, if you are /oom after every pat, every group, every pull then you will slow the group down. If you want to go pure arcane make sure you bring alot of mana pots and be ready to abuse evo. Mana efficiency should be paramount for all mages.

If you were grouped with another mage who spammed arc and was /oom every fight you wouldn't be the happiest camper. He/She would slow you down and in the larger fights might even be more of a hindrance then help. Sure you can drink, but it's still taking time that could have been better spent.

I'm at half mana...the other mage is /oom. I'll be ready to go twice as fast (spr gear aside...).

I was a full arcane spec for a long time. I loved it. Granted I do use alot of mana. But my overall mana regen rate and mana use kind of countered each other. I never really had much of a problem with mana usage. And to be honest. I am used to being in the habit of popping evo when the cooldown is up.

In response to Echou. Not only did I choose to go with a full arc build to get away from the norm but in my opinion with the gear I had at the time I figured it would be a viable build. I've specced every build under the sun and I was quite please with alot of aspects of the arcane build. Granted your mana consumption could be better.. but I did decent DMG and kept up to other fire mages in the guild quite well.

But like I said.. you're limited in options. If you're fine with firing Arc Missiles 90% of the time go for it.. But it does get old. Thats the reason for my respec. However I still have enough points in Arc to keep my DMG up as well as enough in fire to give me the option of doing both decent Arc and Fire damage.

Many heroic bosses and raid bosses are immune to Slow. I'm not 100% sure but I remember reading that the Karahzan bosses are immune.

How good is slow? I alway got the feeling it only good for in pvp play, I don't see much use for in pve play. please tell me if I wrong.