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i got raped by a lvl 47 shadow priest, helpFollow

#1 Apr 19 2007 at 6:31 PM Rating: Decent
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i'm now a level 48 arms/fury warrior (22 into fury, 3 into prot and the rest into arms, i'm starting to spec into impale). i dueled twice last night in gadgetzan... first duel was against a 47 pally, i lost due to mistiming my bandage, intimidating shout and pummel, the guy was surprised he almost lost and i don't duel often so i didn't feel too bad.

then a level 47 shadow priest challenged me, i charged in and started the usual routine of bloodrage/battle shout and started switching over to zerker stance for WW and pummel when i realized he already had me down to almost 50%. the whole fight lasted well under 10 seconds. i think i saw him bubble up and cast DOT's on me and that was it. then the ******* said something like "casters are knives and warriors are butter"... that really peeved me.

i use a 2h (truesilver champion) so obviously i can't use shield bash, but then i think i remember reading that shield bash and pummel are on the same cooldown anyway? so, what does that leave me with? wear a full resist... shadow set?
#2 Apr 19 2007 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
Shadow Priests are a Warrior's bane, pretty much. High damage, largely uninterruptible (SW:P), self-healing, damage absorption so you don't build any initial rage and high physical mitigation from Inner Fire and Shadowform. Don't be surprised to lose duels to Shadow Priests very, very often.

Your spec is kind of odd though. 22 into Fury? Not getting Bloodthirst or anything? Playing a Warrior with a 31-point talent is going to really, really gimp your damage output, and it has to hurt in PvP.
#3 Apr 19 2007 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Warriors have very little mitigation against attacks that arent physical. I would get used to losing in PVP unless you think you can obtain epic 70 PVP gear.

Blizzards offical line is that warriors are not viable anymore in PVP unless they have a dedicated healer.

Edited, Apr 20th 2007 12:22am by sjwine
#4 Apr 20 2007 at 3:40 AM Rating: Decent
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my build was centered around PvE at first (imp slam, imp execute, imp cleave, flurry) but then i found it lacking in PvP... hence the shift to arms. i was going to respec (again) but the 10g fee was a bit much at the time ^^

so that's it then? shadow priests have no real weakness, not even one opening a warrior can exploit?

Edited, Apr 20th 2007 9:39am by fromanthebarbarian
#5 Apr 20 2007 at 8:49 AM Rating: Decent
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You bandage during duels?
#6 Apr 20 2007 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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yeah, i bandage during duels. why not?
#7 Apr 20 2007 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Brings up an interesting point. I was always under the impression that using a bandage or potion during a duel was looked down upon. I would be interested to hear other peoples opinions on this.....hmmmmm
#8 Apr 20 2007 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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well, pots i understand because they're uninterruptible. but bandages require some timing and use of strategy, especially as far as we're concerned, because if you don't integrate intimidating shout into your strategy then how are you ever going to bandage? and does that mean a pally, priest or druid isn't allowed to heal themselves?
#9 Apr 20 2007 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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fromanthebarbarian wrote:
well, pots i understand because they're uninterruptible. but bandages require some timing and use of strategy, especially as far as we're concerned, because if you don't integrate intimidating shout into your strategy then how are you ever going to bandage? and does that mean a pally, priest or druid isn't allowed to heal themselves?


Along these lines...

Why can't I use my Pots? You use all of the nice weapons/armor you get from your blacksmithing/engineering/leatherworking etc professions and I can't use my wonderful potions from my Alchemy?

Doesn't make sense to me, other than the fact it costs my gold to make/find herbs to make the potions. But thats my choice.


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#10 Apr 20 2007 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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ah, well i guess i can't rebut that, but i haven't had any complaints so far.

i was reading through the shadow priest FAQ and it seems that the only real counter is to stack shadow resist gear, and there does seem to be some shadow resist gear available before level 50. the question is, will it be enough?
#11 Apr 20 2007 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
Don't bother with the gear.

You really need a different spec, and that will make a huge difference in your damage output. Pick either Arms or Fury and get the 31-point talent. For most PvE situations Fury is superior to Arms (high consistent damage, self-healing for grinding), and Arms is better for PvP (higher burst damage and anti-healing debuff) although you can certainly PvP as Fury and grind as Arms. You just _need_ the 31-point talent.

Bandaging is an important part of your ******** especially if other people are going to sit in an Ice Cube and stare at you (or a bubble). If your target has no DoT's on them you can disable autoattack and use Intimidating Shout as a ranged gouge (it will break on first damage, but until then..)
#12 Apr 20 2007 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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i know that i NEED to spec more deeply into either arms or fury, and i want to go into arms for better PvP'ing against everyone else, more success in BG's which will lead to all the cool BG stuff. but... how SPECIFICALLY does this apply to that shadow priest, who bubbles and DoT's me? can i get around the bubble somehow? i don't want to accept that warriors simply have no counters for a shadow priest.
#13 Apr 20 2007 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
It's more that you'll have much more rage-efficient damage, which will let you blow through the bubble and keep going rather than just seeing ABSORB, ABSORB, ABSORB.
#14 Apr 20 2007 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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ah, ok... yea, i was a bit concerned when all i kept seeing was ABSORB instead of big white or yellow numbers.

is that bubble similar to the bubble i get occasionally from my truesilver champion? as in, it only absorbs a set amount of damage and fades? or is it a mana shield?
#15 Apr 20 2007 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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Set amount and fade.

#16 Apr 21 2007 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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ok, good to know.

i respecced more deeply into arms last night, looks something like this


my DPS definitely went up. i was doing the water elemental/giant quest in feralas, and on one of the mobs i critted WW, MS and i think i got a double attack also, the fight was over very quickly. now, where's that shadow priest...




#17 Apr 21 2007 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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It happens to me too, I’m full arms with 5 in cruelty (I’m lvl48 btw) and I get pwned by shadow priests

In a BG it goes a lot like this…

They see me coming, bubble, I charge, by the time I see two absorbs I have 4 DoT's on me, 2 seconds later I’m phsyc screamed and running around like a fool while the priest laughs.

My advice is pick your fights in BG's (if you can), move around shadow priests and fight warriors/rogues/shamans/pallies (if you have ms this is easy-ish) and let others worry about it
#18 Apr 23 2007 at 4:17 AM Rating: Decent
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is psychic scream a priest's intimidating shout? in that case, can it be broken with zerker rage or bloodrage?
#19 Apr 23 2007 at 4:49 AM Rating: Decent
Basically what it comes down to is..

If your a fury build, youll have no chance.. Between your two skills you have a 40 second immunity to fear which would be great, but as fury you wont be able to pump the damage nessecary to take down there shield and keep them hurting.

So that leaves you with arms which, as a 49 twink... Is the only way i can see warrior as PvP viable, no offense to you fury warriors (when im not pvping im all fury- 1 level till rampage =D.)

PvP is all about the burst, with all the running around, jumping, spinning circles and moving.. DPS matters little, not that it doesnt matter, but it matter little..

Example fight..

Priest is alredy bubbled, you charge in.. hamstring.
Pray that you hit a critical, or that overpower kicks.. two of those and that shield is off.. Mortal strike if you have the rage (probably wont.)
Most priests see there shield go down and freak out.. Which they have good reason to, but.. Shield down = Phyc scream. UNLESS weakened soul fades off and they can already put up another

Usually the second shield goes down i switch beserk stance and bezerk rage/bloodrage followed with mortal strike and like earlier pray that you crit or get an over power.

Not saying it works or doesnt work but a warrior/priest fight is over quick.. You get the drop and the WoW gods are with you, or.. Your dead.. One out of every four or five PvP fights with a shadow preist i lose.
#20 Apr 23 2007 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
Well on my priest warriors are the easiest targets around, then again on my rogue they are nearly unbeatable ..

soo thats balanced imo
#21 Apr 23 2007 at 8:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Fury isn't bad against Priests at all.....If you are a PvP spec for Fury and you have Imp zerker rage, you have two ways to obtain instant rage. And this is neccesary in breaking the priests shield. There is no other way to get rage besides from the priest hitting you(Which would actually be quite a bit :). And as fury,since you are going to be glued on to the priest whenever he attempts to cast, his casting time is going to increase since you are hitting like kwazy!But then again as arms, MS would be nice to kill his heals...

Edited, Apr 23rd 2007 1:00pm by mechpriest
#22 Apr 23 2007 at 9:56 AM Rating: Default
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Along these lines...

Why can't I use my Pots? You use all of the nice weapons/armor you get from your blacksmithing/engineering/leatherworking etc professions and I can't use my wonderful potions from my Alchemy?

Doesn't make sense to me, other than the fact it costs my gold to make/find herbs to make the potions. But thats my choice.
Agreed, why frown on me using my chars profs? What's next? Gotta take my armor off too becasue I made it with BS?


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Edited, Apr 23rd 2007 1:57pm by MyDarkgift
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