Hello guys,
I think my bear form is teh broked.
I am mainly agi/stamina, some tiger (agi/str), my agi is like 40, stamina is around 30, and str is only like 18 :/ I'm Feral all the way (with exception for the % of rage/energy talent one).
Anyway, I spend most of my time in cat form cause it rocks, I just wish our finisher was not a DoT attack, until lv 30something.
I had a bad pull in the wetlands last night and pulled two mobs. O.O Bear time! I did the D. Roar, Swipe, swipe, maul. Anyway killed one of the mobs, but it got real close finishing up the 2nd one.
If I remember right, with my lv 19 warrior, I could tank 3 Elite mobs and not take as much damage as I did with my druid bear vs non-elite 1-2 levels below me. I'm really worried how I'd do vs elites in raids as a back-up tank.
I guess my question is: Does tanking get much easier in Dire form? I'm really not even sure what Dire form is, I'm think it's just a super-bear form, but I'm not sure.
Also, does attack speed ever go up for bear form? I know about the melee speed potions, and haste gear... I was just wondering if it speeds up w/o all that. It just seems like it takes forever to kill something in bear form, I'm sure it's because I'm not all str/stamina like bear should be... but still.
Thanks.
Edited, Apr 20th 2007 11:01am by GYFFORD
- Forums
- World of Warcraft
- Class Discussion
- A few lv 24 bear form questions.
A few lv 24 bear form questions.Follow
Quote:
If I remember right, with my lv 19 warrior, I could tank 3 Elite mobs and not take as much damage as I did with my druid bear vs non-elite 1-2 levels below me.
Honestly I do not buy that, that is unless you have a healer. Yet that is not what I wanted to point out......
If you want to play as a bear, you need to get geard for it(kind of hard at lower levels) putting on your cat gear and saying you want to play like a tank just wont produce the resluts you are looking for. Can you immgine if you took your warrior and left him with 18 str? I mean you take the time to compair the bear form to a warrior, but were not thinking like a warrior. The main stat you note is AGI thats geret for cat or a rogue, but it dose so littel for a bear, and remember that dead targes do no dammage, if you have to wait 3 min to kill a mob sure you will take more dammage from the other two that are hitting you. Armor.... Do you focus on the ammount of armor on your leather gear, or do you look for kitty dps boosters? Stuff like AGI and attack power is fantastic when you are playing as a Paper Tiger, but you have to be willing to give up a Super fast fight if you are going to be in tanky mode.
Your gear asside, I can put your mind to ease, yes it gets a whole lot better with Dire bear, Kind of like when Warriors get Plate. Secondly gear becomes more attainable at later levels, or more spificly more customasiable gear. lastly Frenzied Regen is a key to bear tanking, get that and it all becomes much better.
The looks of Dire Bear Form does not change from regular Bear Form. Also, its attack speed always remains at 2.50.
Your stats, however, might be the problem. It's really hard at the beginning to get a good crit rate without Sharpened Claws (which you don't have at 24 if you got Furor) and Leader of the Pack. (which you get later on) As such, it is preferable at the beginning to get more Strength to increase your basic DPS. It's not like you have the talent that benefits the most from crits anyway, Primal Fury. High Strength and Stamina will be your friends in those early levels so don't mind Agility as much.
Also, you seem aware that Bear isn't for killing quickly. However, in that little part you mentioned your attack sequence, you said "I did the D. Roar, Swipe, swipe, maul." That might be part of the problem. Demo Roar is fine, Maul is okay too as it will be your main offensive skill until Mangle. But Swipe is a big no-no.
Maul rank 2 = Damage + 27 for 15 rage. (10 with Ferocity)
Swipe rank 2 = 14 damage on 3 targets max for 20 rage. (15 with Ferocity)(42 damage if 3 targets are hit)
I dunno how exactly AP affects Swipe (because it now does) but you can easily see that damage-wise Maul > Swipe even in multi-targets situations. So the best idea would probably to burn down a single mob with Maul and regular attacks and then move on to the next.
I do think Dire Bear makes things a bit more easy, kinda like getting plate on a Warr/Pally helps a lot.
Your stats, however, might be the problem. It's really hard at the beginning to get a good crit rate without Sharpened Claws (which you don't have at 24 if you got Furor) and Leader of the Pack. (which you get later on) As such, it is preferable at the beginning to get more Strength to increase your basic DPS. It's not like you have the talent that benefits the most from crits anyway, Primal Fury. High Strength and Stamina will be your friends in those early levels so don't mind Agility as much.
Also, you seem aware that Bear isn't for killing quickly. However, in that little part you mentioned your attack sequence, you said "I did the D. Roar, Swipe, swipe, maul." That might be part of the problem. Demo Roar is fine, Maul is okay too as it will be your main offensive skill until Mangle. But Swipe is a big no-no.
Maul rank 2 = Damage + 27 for 15 rage. (10 with Ferocity)
Swipe rank 2 = 14 damage on 3 targets max for 20 rage. (15 with Ferocity)(42 damage if 3 targets are hit)
I dunno how exactly AP affects Swipe (because it now does) but you can easily see that damage-wise Maul > Swipe even in multi-targets situations. So the best idea would probably to burn down a single mob with Maul and regular attacks and then move on to the next.
I do think Dire Bear makes things a bit more easy, kinda like getting plate on a Warr/Pally helps a lot.
Selverein wrote:
Maul rank 2 = Damage + 27 for 15 rage. (10 with Ferocity)
Swipe rank 2 = 14 damage on 3 targets max for 20 rage. (15 with Ferocity)(42 damage if 3 targets are hit)
Swipe rank 2 = 14 damage on 3 targets max for 20 rage. (15 with Ferocity)(42 damage if 3 targets are hit)
The problem with this is that Maul modifies your normal attack, while Swipe is an extra attack. Maul consumes rage, while without it your normal attack would build rage, enough to spam Swipe against three targets usually. Against multiple targets, Swipe will indeed finish them faster.
Quote:
burn down a single mob with Maul and regular attacks and then move on to the next.
I was wondering about that. I only used swipe (even tho it uses more rage than Maul) because I figured it was designed for multi-mob pulls lol. I noticed that it was doing literally nothing, but using a hella lot of rage.
I'll toss that one out the window from now on.
I'm planning on staying in cat form 80% of the time, and in raids when at all possible, so agi/str/stam gear is what I'll continue to shoot for.
Cool thanks for the answers, I figured it was cause I'm going agi>stamina>str, where as I should go str>stamina>agi for bear form.
Quote:
Against multiple targets, Swipe will indeed finish them faster.
Is that before or after rage normalization? Cause unless you have the talents that gives additional rage on crits I have a hard time believing that. =/ Damage output is so low. If there are 3 mobs hitting on me, that alone usually generates enough rage to spam Maul or alternate attack-Maul-attack-Maul and toss a Demo Roar once in a while.
Not saying it's impossible, but I guess I got used to the idea of burning mobs individually. Once one is down, that's one less damage source so if spamming Swipe would kill 3 mobs in 5 minutes while using Maul kills a single mob in 2 minutes (for a total of 6 minutes) that extra minute is worth it IMO cause the damage you take becomes much easier to deal with when enemies die. Plus, once only one remains you can go Kitty on him! >=D
Quote:
Honestly I do not buy that, that is unless you have a healer. Yet that is not what I wanted to point out......
Lol of course I had a healer =D I was referring to RFC run with my hordie tauren warrior. 3 elite mobs beating on me, but I did not take as much damage. Thinking back on it, I was in a full party, so they died faster, meaning less hits taken.
Hmm, I'll have to stop on my warrior and see how I do vs 2 mobs my level.
I do not question that a warrior will handle mobs better, specialy at that level, and when the warrior is geard for soaking dammage and the druid is geard for AGI, it was the scope of the claim that set me as odd. 3 eleites eat stuff hard, and you were comparing the ability of 3 eleites Vs 2 non eleite mobs. thats a diffrence of apples and orages, the 3 eleites will do way way way more dammage than 2 non eleites, but it is hard to see when you have a healer (in the case of your warrior) vs a solo bear(unless you had a healer then too). The comparison just hit me as not terribly accerauate even though I agree that a bear druid at that level has much less armor.
Recent Visitors: 200
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (200)
- Forums
- World of Warcraft
- Class Discussion
- A few lv 24 bear form questions.
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC