Cobra reflexes and AvoidanceFollow

So, how many of the king B fanatics are going to be dropping their pet if Cobra Reflexes is trainable?

I know I will be :).

I plan to grab a Wolf,for there -damage move, How about you guys?

And, to all the endgame raiders, will Avoidance make pets viable in raids?


Edited, Apr 20th 2007 9:36pm by FFGamer

Avoidance + new Mend Pet mechanics = BM is top DPS tree, period.

Add in Cobra Reflexes (which is trainable), and BM is a powerhouse.

I'm not really a fan of Kill Command, even with it off GCD. Arcane/Multishot do more damage, though if I'm running around in PvP, I won't say no to a free KC.

If anyone is interested, cobra reflexes costs 20 TP and avoidance rank 2 25 TP.

Avoidance will certainly make pets more viable, but whether it helps the avoid cleave which isnt classed as an AoE move normally I dont know. A lot of fights arent just unfriendly to pets because of aoes, but the fight as a whole. Gruul for example is unchanged, pets do next to no damage there because they become stoned and dont shatter so they're basically stunned for 75% of the fight. But its definately a step forward for pet users.

The damage, while nice, would be miniscule compared to an Arcane Shot or Multi-Shot for Marksmen. For Beast Masters it's a completely different thing. Being a Beast Master I have already experienced the thrill of popping my Outland trinket, Bestial Wrath and watching my pet spam crits of 500+ damage every 1.5 seconds. Kill Command, as I see it, is basically an almost guaranteed Frenzy for Beast Masters.

Making the level 50 trinket thing nearly useless (good thing I took the eye).

You're right about the avoidance TP cost, but according to petopia, Cobra Reflexes actually cost 15 TP.

And another note, nobody said this yet, but Cobra Reflexes increases your pets attack speed by 30%, and although it says damage done is reduced, your pet actually gets roughly a 12.5% DPS increase.
And avoidance, petopia confused me on this one, but here is what they said:

It says there are two different descriptions for this skill which pretty much confuses me =P

I saw somewhere that Cleave specifically is being changed to a front-only AoE.

Then, I remembered Theo posting (I think it was Theo) that a use for EotB is to position your pet behind a boss!

Not sure if that helps - or will work. But it's something to consider. GL!

and oh..by the way Aethian....Theo is BM now...!!!! lol

Because a guaranteed critical pet hit is worth a trinket slot.. when?

For PvE I have the Eye and the Breadth equipped, enabling me to cycle between them to keep the attack power bonus up pretty much all the time. The Tooth is nice for proccing Frenzy, but for a MM Hunter it's worth **** all.

Having a unique trinket is great and everything. Just a shame you can't use it if you respec.

I wonder which version of Avoidance is correct? ... I think I may actually like the 50% reduced damage better, since it'll always work (rather than hoping to win the flip of a coin).



When? All the time. I still have that thing equipped at 70 (and it'll be even better once it's fixed with the patch). Since it has the same length cooldown as Bestial Wrath, I typically activate them both at the same time, guaranteeing that, first of all, the trinket gets a BW crit, and second of all, that Karil always enters BM with Frenzy active. The DPS increase is substantial, even at 70, because the nature of the trinket scales with level, even more so when it's reverted to an automatic crit instead of +crit rating.

You still use the Devilsaur Eye? But what level are you now?

Of course, you already have Bladefist's Breadth... but what about the Terokkar Tablet of Precision? The Uniting Charm (Ogre Mauler's Badge to the Hordies)? There's also the Ancient Draenei War Talisman, can't forget that. Core of Ar'kelos is a cinch to obtain once you get high enough for the quests.

If you don't want quested items, there's the Slayer's Crest in Naxx. The Abacus of Violent Odds drops in Mechanar... a little different but would have a similar effect. If you like rep-grinding, there's the Bloodlust Brooch.

And if you just feel like throwing some money around, you can snag yourself a Nightseye Panther Figurine.

You mention respeccing away from BM...but there's so many upgrades to the Eye that you'd never even notice it wasn't there.

Now...what if you respecced to BM?

... Did anyone besides Cheyenne ever consider that?

Edited, Apr 21st 2007 6:06pm by Sayis

Well.. I still havent even finished the level 50 hunter quest so no problemos there for me ;D

Oh, and as for the OP's question. I personally had King B. LONG before he had cobra reflexs just because I loved the skin. Heh, I even gave up Broken Tooth [which took three days of camping to tame] to get King B. I abandoned him at level 66 in order to try out new pets. Right now I plan on taming Trachela, probaly the most beatiful creature in the game, and there is no arguement, it is the coolest carrion bird =P. I guess Aethin's constant bragging about his birdy has grown on me =). Too bad though, they made her two-headed green mate untameable.

I don't think I agree with this assessment. With the top gear, SV is good (more than 25% crit and 500 agi), and even my MM build destroys every BM hunter in our guild in Kara as far as DPS is concerned. I'm still not sure a slight reduction in AOE damage is going to tip the scales. Look at, say, the Maiden fight... pet dies in 30 seconds if you're allowed to bring it out at all (chain lightening sucks, so we take pets out). If the pet dies in 60 seconds instead of 30, is it still a big difference? I doubt it. I'll hold onto my spec until I'm embarrased by the DPS meters.

I've done it both ways (counting pet as your damage and not). In my experience MM and SV always comes out better than BM after a night of raiding.



I'm not saying it is. For raiding (even now) you can DPS, crowd-control, direct aggro, and off-tank with your pet. However, the quote was that



which, in my experience, is not true.