Frostie tailors got the shaft?Follow

i am not frost though but the spellfire lacks the stats tha shadoweave can give.it's mostly for dmg.

anyway u can change your specialization from the same trainer u got it.right clik him and choose to unlearn it.

Thats because shadoweave is *shock* tailored to Warlocks and Priest with a little thrown in for Frost.

Yes i was thinking pve. I can see how the stats and the set bonus that heals you would be excellent for pvp.

Edited, Apr 29th 2007 11:18am by koast

Thanks for comments furburgler, thats made things clearer for me. I am 100percent sold on frost, i love it tbh and don't want to respec to fire. At 63 im 0 0 54, the speed at which i lvled mindboggled me, especially once i hit 55 and started grinding in outlands. And its not boring like i imagine the warlock or hunter grind to be, its interesting and fun even though i don't aoe grind.

The reason i initially thought it was a bad pve set was because i was under the impression stamina for the frost mage was not so important for pve, stat order being int-spi-stam. I do alot of instances and want to get into casual raiding. I've been doing ramparts and BF alot recently and i very rarely get hurt and need healing in these 2, this is why lots of stam on gear feels like a waste to me. So does high stam become essential later on? Does frost survivability not scale up with heroic dungeon lvl and beyond?

The other area i'm unsure of is crit vs. damage. Echou said that crit is not so important for frost because we have shatter. For pve at least , i'm feeling that high crit is better than high damage. Shatter works fine questing and grinding; if you drop FN on a mob 99% of the time you'll land frostbolt-fireblast, without it breaking, and be very unlucky if at least one doesnt crit. In instances however i'll be lucky to get a frostbolt onto a frozen mob b/c of the other dps. So i do rely on high crit for my dps, and winters chill augmenting it makes it formidable. I feel without all those crits on unfrozen mobs, my instance dps would'nt be as good. At 63 with molten armor up my damage is 375 and crit 17.54%, which seems like a good balance to me.

Sorry for this long post.

Edited, Apr 30th 2007 5:11pm by koast

Looks like the tailoring sets(Frozen Shadoweave and Spellfire) are getting nerfed.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=98906973&sid=1&pageNo=7

I know it's on page 7 or something, but my work comp loads pages slow.

Actually, they also buffed the tier sets(T5 at least).

Bummer, it appears to be - 34 spell damage and +24 Intellect for the total set.

Oh well... it's still the best gear out there until tier 5 depending on how much of a buff that gets. Casters are destroying other classes in DPS too so I'm guessing the rationale is that this will close the gap.

BTW Im not trying to say Shadoweave is bad for PvP, I just think the Arena set (obviously) and even the BG set offer a whole lot more survivability which often times is top priority in BGs. Check the Stam and even the Resilience (which is somewhat overrated though still helpful) of the BG sets. Instance pieces for the most part won't come even close.

Stamina is somewhat important for high end instances/raids. Most things you fight will have some sort of Area of Effect that will hit you hard, and if you're running around with 5000 health unbuffed it puts more of a strain on your healers. A lot of people will argue against this, but the way I look at it is if enrage is not a concern you have until until the healers mana runs out to kill an enemy... as long as you can take out the baddy before the healers mana runs out adding stamina to reduce the urgency of healing that you need is only a good thing. That being said, if it's tank and spank Stamina means nothing.

For trash or even PvP if you choose to use this set the lack of +crit on the shadoweave doesnt make a difference at all really. It's bosses and raids where the set loses ground because of the lack of crit. Most of the mages who say Shadoweave sucks are only concerned with Bosses and raiding AND are anti-Frost in the first place.

Frost survivability doesnt scale up much with dungeon difficulty. You get one or two shot killed by just about any direct attack from an elite in a heroic or a raid whether you're Frost or Fire. Frost does have the Ice Block quasi-aggro dump and the snare from frostbolt which does give it significantly more survivability than Fire, but the extra Stamina and Ice Barrier only really help on healing intensive Area of Effect fights, and fire mages can always carry around a stamina set for when these come along.

Yup. That's why I was trying to emphasize that Frozen Shadoweave is a good choice while you are collecting your BG set(s). Once you get your BG set, you can re-socket Frozen Shadoweave to make it part of your PvE set. Even post-nert, it is better than the T4 pieces for their slots, and very close to T5.

Hmmm, the tailoring nerf was undone? See this o-board post from blue.

Whew... that's best news I've heard all day :D