hi... i want to be a protection pally mostly that never dies, and would be good for a group as a tank mostly. i just want to no what to place my last talent in, avengers shield, or divine favor... this is what i have so far
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Avenger's Shield, no question. Not only a good tool for pulling, but gives you a lot of aggro for holding mobs. And when the patch goes live it'll have no minimum range.
EDIT: checked out your talents, and if you wanna be a tank, why did you put so many talents in Holy that have to do with your healing? If you have to heal while tanking either a) you really need better gear b) your healer sucks or c) both. I'd recommend putting those points into something that will improve your survivability/aggro gain.
Edited, Apr 30th 2007 7:39pm by Maulgak
EDIT: checked out your talents, and if you wanna be a tank, why did you put so many talents in Holy that have to do with your healing? If you have to heal while tanking either a) you really need better gear b) your healer sucks or c) both. I'd recommend putting those points into something that will improve your survivability/aggro gain.
Edited, Apr 30th 2007 7:39pm by Maulgak
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thanks for the advice... i was thinking that too, but i am not just always gonna tank, i might be by myself too. but the healing stuff was mostly just for me. cuz the only reason i chose pally was cuz i thot i would never die. and healing helps you to live. so i wasnt thinknig of being a main healer, i just wasnt sure what would keep me allive better: improved healing stuff, or improved armor/protection stuff?
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id say a good build would be 10/41/10, you dont need much into the holy tree..Im a prot paladin that is 0/41/20 (eye for an eye--for pvp), and i have no problems dying at all, especially when ardent defender kicks in...youll find youll be more concerned about your mana in the end then dying, i mean if worse comes to worse you can bubble bandage, stun heal, loh yourself...so its notlike you donthave options if your not weighed deep into holy, because if you have enough into prot you wont take to much damage (dps classes continually crit me for 300 damage <rogues,druids>). Just remember to watch for that +def gear/stanima/strg, cause its your life blood. Resistance/resiliance as well(mainly for pvp purposes). But ill leave gearing to another post
If you're really serious about tanking, you need to go Prot/Retri. There's some preferences in details, though. I'm in favor of the 0/38/23 build to have nice aggro and receive 6% more healing to boot. I eschew Ardent Defender since it's a completely useless talent.
Some details about your build:
- Forget about Imp Devotion. It's really not that great, only adding like 0.5% damage mitigation.
- Work Toughness in somehow. The 10% extra armor will help your mitigation (and is way more efficient than Devotion is).
- Pick up Kings. For me, it adds 750 hp unbuffed. That's more than untalented PW: Fortitude does. And with Fortitude or Blood Pact on you, it adds even more.
- Imp HoJ is really optional. It can be nice to aggro 2 mobs at the start of the fight before your first GCD kicks in. It can help in 5 mans, but the situations where it would be off CD while it would be on CD without the talent are rare.
- Reckoning is really nice for single mob aggro. Whenever it triggers, you basically get 4 additional swings with 4 additional SoR/SoV/SoB charges as well. It's also nice when you're grinding.
- 1H Spec is rather useless atm, but this is getting quite a boost next patch, as it raises all your damage by 5%, as long as you wield a onehanded weapon, including spells like Consecration and Avenger's Shield.
- Ardent Defender is nice for grinding and regular 5 mans, but in Heroics/Raids, by the time it can activate you will still be oneshotted despite the damage taken.
- If you're serious about tanking (and want to go Heroics/Raids), getting both Anticipation and Deflection up to 5/5 is pretty much a musthave.
- Even if you go Holy with tanking in mind, pass on Divine Strength. It's completely useless. Instead, take Imp LoH, as it raises both the frequency and effectiveness of your Oh **** button.
Some details about your build:
- Forget about Imp Devotion. It's really not that great, only adding like 0.5% damage mitigation.
- Work Toughness in somehow. The 10% extra armor will help your mitigation (and is way more efficient than Devotion is).
- Pick up Kings. For me, it adds 750 hp unbuffed. That's more than untalented PW: Fortitude does. And with Fortitude or Blood Pact on you, it adds even more.
- Imp HoJ is really optional. It can be nice to aggro 2 mobs at the start of the fight before your first GCD kicks in. It can help in 5 mans, but the situations where it would be off CD while it would be on CD without the talent are rare.
- Reckoning is really nice for single mob aggro. Whenever it triggers, you basically get 4 additional swings with 4 additional SoR/SoV/SoB charges as well. It's also nice when you're grinding.
- 1H Spec is rather useless atm, but this is getting quite a boost next patch, as it raises all your damage by 5%, as long as you wield a onehanded weapon, including spells like Consecration and Avenger's Shield.
- Ardent Defender is nice for grinding and regular 5 mans, but in Heroics/Raids, by the time it can activate you will still be oneshotted despite the damage taken.
- If you're serious about tanking (and want to go Heroics/Raids), getting both Anticipation and Deflection up to 5/5 is pretty much a musthave.
- Even if you go Holy with tanking in mind, pass on Divine Strength. It's completely useless. Instead, take Imp LoH, as it raises both the frequency and effectiveness of your Oh **** button.
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