They are really different games. The reality is that the biggest challenge in FFXI is to organize six people to do anything at all. IMO, it's much more satisfying to actually play the game than wait around in jeuno, making inappropriate jokes and getting on people's black lists.
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Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Pawkeshup the Tulip wrote:
As for whether or not WoW is easier, sorry, WoW is easier. It's designed that way. Death is just a corpse run away from eliminating the need for a raise. Stats are all clearly defined and easily visible, with little to no hidden mechanics. Earning money does not depend on other players, but is instead provided to the player. Crafting can be capped with little to no effort aside from farming materials. I have never hit end game bosses, however they appear to be the only truly unforgiving section of the game. The rest is a cakewalk.
FFXI on the other hand nearly mandates group involvement just to level. While some jobs can solo, most require some form of support to survive. Unlocking your subjob, obtaining some advanced jobs, increasing your rank, and unlocking your upper levels all require the help of friends. The game is harder in the sense that no character and few classes are islands unto themselves. Only RDM, BST, NIN, and DNC are truly effectively able to solo most of their needs. And of those, one requires help to even unlock the job, and the other two require that unlocked job to reach their full potential as a soloist.
FFXI on the other hand nearly mandates group involvement just to level. While some jobs can solo, most require some form of support to survive. Unlocking your subjob, obtaining some advanced jobs, increasing your rank, and unlocking your upper levels all require the help of friends. The game is harder in the sense that no character and few classes are islands unto themselves. Only RDM, BST, NIN, and DNC are truly effectively able to solo most of their needs. And of those, one requires help to even unlock the job, and the other two require that unlocked job to reach their full potential as a soloist.
I suppose Pawkeshup it all depends on whether one considers time required an element of difficulty.
Maxing crafting in FFXI takes a lot longer than in WoW, but in both all you do is press a button. Neither act of crafting is difficult, neither is some sort of intellectual puzzling minigame you must complete.
NaughtyWord wrote:
But a wipe in a pick up group in an instance is almost a given.
I disagree with that. I've had a full wipe in only 4-5 instances with me healing. Almost all of my instances have been pick up. Unless we're talking about level 70 instances, where you can count on the same thing in FFXI if you fight a boss with a pick up group.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Even if one were to normalize the stats (I have instant-cast spells that could easily one-shot a 75 anything in FFXI), there's no avoiding the simple fact that a level 70 anything in WoW can solo non-elite mobs even a few levels higher than it. A level 75 anything in FFXI struggles to kill a level 70 bee.
The game mechanics are completely different. FFXI is designed to be tedious and group oriented, while WoW is designed to be, well, fun.
The game mechanics are completely different. FFXI is designed to be tedious and group oriented, while WoW is designed to be, well, fun.
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
NaughtyWord wrote:
But a wipe in a pick up group in an instance is almost a given.
I disagree with that. I've had a full wipe in only 4-5 instances with me healing. Almost all of my instances have been pick up. Unless we're talking about level 70 instances, where you can count on the same thing in FFXI if you fight a boss with a pick up group.
Well I was talking about Outlands instances in general, I should have made that more clear.
Mindel wrote:
Even if one were to normalize the stats (I have instant-cast spells that could easily one-shot a 75 anything in FFXI), there's no avoiding the simple fact that a level 70 anything in WoW can solo non-elite mobs even a few levels higher than it. A level 75 anything in FFXI struggles to kill a level 70 bee.
Mobs in each game differ relative to the player. Mobs that give you exp in FFXI are significantly stronger compared to the player than mobs that give you exp in WoW. One cannot normalize based on the mobs.
Allegory wrote:
Mindel wrote:
Even if one were to normalize the stats (I have instant-cast spells that could easily one-shot a 75 anything in FFXI), there's no avoiding the simple fact that a level 70 anything in WoW can solo non-elite mobs even a few levels higher than it. A level 75 anything in FFXI struggles to kill a level 70 bee.
Mobs in each game differ relative to the player. Mobs that give you exp in FFXI are significantly stronger compared to the player than mobs that give you exp in WoW. One cannot normalize based on the mobs.
And in that (this is for you, Bijou), FFXI closely resembles EQ, where grouping is also mandated for everything except low greens.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
NaughtyWord wrote:
Well I was talking about Outlands instances in general, I should have made that more clear.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Bijou is OK, but like Planks, I think he's a bit too interested in conforming. I liked his early days better when he said whatever he thought and didn't care much what anyone thought. Time will tell.
BrownDuck wrote:
Bijou is OK, but like Planks, I think he's a bit too interested in conforming. I liked his early days better when he said whatever he thought and didn't care much what anyone thought. Time will tell.
He plays by the rules. Not like you. You don't play by the rules, you rebel.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Commander Annabella wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Bijou is OK, but like Planks, I think he's a bit too interested in conforming. I liked his early days better when he said whatever he thought and didn't care much what anyone thought. Time will tell.
He plays by the rules. Not like you. You don't play by the rules, you rebel.
Commander Annabella wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Bijou is OK, but like Planks, I think he's a bit too interested in conforming. I liked his early days better when he said whatever he thought and didn't care much what anyone thought. Time will tell.
He plays by the rules. Not like you. You don't play by the rules, you rebel.
TEH SUPER SEKRET UNRITTEN RULZ OF TEH OOT!
We get it BD, Conforming = Bad.
Queen NixNot wrote:
We get it BD, Conforming = Bad.
The trouble with the OOT is that we're totally cliquish. We should be more like BD. He doesn't play by the rules. He's not a rules player.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Damnit Anna seriously had me fooled with that Kaain avatar this whole time. I was wondering why Kaain had linked her WoW profile, and I didn't realize the situation until I saw Nix's avatarless quote of the name.
Commander Annabella wrote:
Queen NixNot wrote:
We get it BD, Conforming = Bad.
The trouble with the OOT is that we're totally cliquish. We should be more like BD. He doesn't play by the rules. He's not a rules player.
I require a link to these rules so I may review them. And only for the interest of keeping my attention, I recommend a picture of Mindel's tits at the end of the rules.
Allegory wrote:
Damnit Anna seriously had me fooled with that Kaain avatar this whole time. I was wondering why Kaain had linked her WoW profile, and I didn't realize the situation until I saw Nix's avatarless quote of the name.
I think I'm gonna get a triple whopper at lunch today.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Commander Annabella wrote:
Queen NixNot wrote:
We get it BD, Conforming = Bad.
The trouble with the OOT is that we're totally cliquish. We should be more like BD. He doesn't play by the rules. He's not a rules player.
BUT THEN WE'D BE CONFORMING TO NON-CONFORMITY! MADNESS!
BrownDuck wrote:
Bijou is OK, but like Planks, I think he's a bit too interested in conforming. I liked his early days better when he said whatever he thought and didn't care much what anyone thought. Time will tell.
I don't get your conforming kick you've been on lately.
Allegory wrote:
Damnit Anna seriously had me fooled
She got me too!
Anna, you're a *****! -.-
Queen NixNot wrote:
We get it BD, Conforming = Bad.
I see what he's saying, but I only partly agree.
Fitting in and getting along are not necessarily bad things. I do agree that there's a point past which one is denying one's true identity for the sake of fitting in and being accepted, and (in American culture, at least), that's bad.
It's not a slam dunk on either side. Iconoclasm for its own sake is no better.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
RULEZ of the OOT:
1. Conform
2. Be mean to Newbs
3. Be mean to outsiders
4. Play by the rules
5. lolcat
6. Be threatened by Brownduck's awesome individualism
7. Rent "Rebel without a Cause" and disagree with the message.
8. Conform.
9. Be mean to Driftwood.
10. Cry at night because your life is a sham.
1. Conform
2. Be mean to Newbs
3. Be mean to outsiders
4. Play by the rules
5. lolcat
6. Be threatened by Brownduck's awesome individualism
7. Rent "Rebel without a Cause" and disagree with the message.
8. Conform.
9. Be mean to Driftwood.
10. Cry at night because your life is a sham.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
If insulting others is conforming, then I'm in. If not, I don't see how it is I conform. I probably am in disagreement with every single poster here at least 3-4 times a week. I just can't keep up with telling you all that you're wrong and I, of course, am right.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Commander Annabella wrote:
RULEZ of the OOT:
1. Conform
2. Be mean to Newbs
3. Be mean to outsiders
4. Play by the rules
5. lolcat
6. Be threatened by Brownduck's awesome individualism
7. Rent "Rebel without a Cause" and disagree with the message.
8. Conform.
9. Be mean to Driftwood.
10. Cry at night because your life is a sham.
1. Conform
2. Be mean to Newbs
3. Be mean to outsiders
4. Play by the rules
5. lolcat
6. Be threatened by Brownduck's awesome individualism
7. Rent "Rebel without a Cause" and disagree with the message.
8. Conform.
9. Be mean to Driftwood.
10. Cry at night because your life is a sham.
You forgot fear and hate the Asylum and knock on their door now and then and run away to giggle with your friends.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
BrownDuck wrote:
Bijou is OK, but like Planks, I think he's a bit too interested in conforming. I liked his early days better when he said whatever he thought and didn't care much what anyone thought. Time will tell.
If only I could see any evidence of that in any of my posts
I'm:
Not gay
Not in a professional job
Not anybody's special snowflake around here
and
Rated up as much as I'm rated down.
Please explain this conformity you mention because I utterly fail to see it.
Not ******* atcha Duckie, just
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
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