Courtmarshal of some certain soldiers.Follow

Until THEY do it you! I would like to know how ye would feel about this abuse thingy, if it were yer gentialia being gnawed on by dogs!?!?

Abuse is abuse. Wrong is ****** wrong!
Ye know this! Peeps like you are the reason why this great nation has went hell! Peeps like you are running the nation now.
Itz a national shame, but peeps like you no care! Unless, itz u THEY be doing it too! Then, ye hollers like stuck lil-piggies!

Yer way of thinking is wat give FACSITS the freedoms to do what they do!

I find it hard to find compassion or feel any empathy for those that were abused. The prisoners in those photos were in the section reserved for the worst criminals in Iraq. Murderers, terrorists, etc. I cannot bring myself to feel any pity for them.

On the other hand, I have no pity on the soldiers that did mistreat those prisoners. Our soldiers should be better than that -- they should reflect what this country believes in, and they failed in that.

It really doesn't matter if they were "bad people" or not. Ultimately, we are fighting to establish a rule of law instead of one of power and abuse. To use those same methods on prisoners undermines that message.

It is absolutely imperitive that those involved are caught, tried, and punished for their actions. Our system is not about abusing prisoners, no matter what they've done. That's supposed to be one of our strengths. If we don't show the world that we don't tolerate that within our military ranks, then we'll have a hard time telling people that we can't tolerate it in their governments.

It's just that simple.

Our soldiers went there to right the things done wrong, and show that the people in power are not always abusive. They embarassed our country in front of the entire world at a time when we are quickly losing our allies. How can we expect help from other countries, which we need desperately, if we can't even control our own soldiers. They have to be punished quickly so our country can possible hold off so much damage done to our reputation.

Our soldiers were led to believe that they were righting the wrongs of 9/11. In this situation I would not have probably done the same. But if you told me I could publically humilate the 19 guys who perpetuated 9/11 before it happened I would probably sign up.

Bush is to blame for misleading our country and our troops into thinking this was more then an act of greed. He led our troops and our country into believing this was a vengance for 9/11 and some of our troops took this too seriously.

I say if you are looking for a culprit impeach the real criminal and not the 800th MP. While what they did was wrong, the were acting out in a manner accepted by our powers that be. They were disgracing a group of people they believed were responsible for 9/11.

I will never be able to watch Fox News report on Iraq and not scoff at their labeling of this as the "War on Terror". Doubt me watch them sometime and see them bring up a map of Iraq without the caption "War on Terror" and we will talk.

How did the pictures not need to be broadcast?Would you have the American people not know about something like this? I think its important that things like this are documented and that the public knows, that things can go wrong, even in a law based military setting. Photos have the power to move people, and I would argue, that although these photos put a very negative light on the U.S, it should definitely inspire some change to our apparently-flawed system. I would definitely have to disagree with blaming the deaths of that man and possible future lives on the media.

Media perfers to show the bad news, they like beatings, deaths, shootings, it gets people attention. As a race we love to destroy things, and each other.
Good stuff happening people as showed on the News stations tends to be boring.


Same as the beheading most recently, something that should of never been aired. No telling how the family and friends feel.

Edited, Wed May 12 13:57:42 2004 by Donuil

So then it's okay that Berg's (the U.S. contracter) head was sawed off.

It's not like the abuse is one sided.

Let's just keep going back and forth with ever escalating acts of torture, perversions and abhorrent behavior. That's a great and effective way to teach those dirty animals about freedom and democracy.

It's not like the abuse would be one sided.

Never mind that we've been insisting that we're there to establish a free and democratic society for the Iraqi people. I mean, rape and torture is very copacetic with that vision, right?

I know there are a number of reading comprehension challenged people here in The Sandbox so let me make it clear that I am in no way saying that acts of torture by either side are acceptable.

If you believe that our media cares to fix our flawed systems then you really need to take a look around you. They don't care about fixing problems. They are more happy when they cause MORE problems. The ONLY reason these pictures were broadcast by CBS is it is sweeps. These pictures = ratings. They want ratings. They could care less who dies because of it. After all, that will just give them some more stories to broadcast.

Furthermore, the people getting in trouble for the pictures are scapegoats. The system is not going to be fixed as the military does not see anything wrong with it. They just got caught with their hand in the cookie jar..so to speak.

By the way, expect to see more mutilations as there are still over 50 civilians missing in Iraq.

I don't like the pictures. I don't agree with the way they are being treated. However, before these pictures were leaked how many lives did these save by getting these prisoners to talk? The problem is we will never know. We will know how many lives that they cause to be lost because of them being shown...that will be broadcast 24/7.

Whoever the victims are, thats just to set a bad example of themselves and whom they represent!
Dont be so biase now...

Edited, Wed May 12 17:49:29 2004 by Eyap

That's ludicrous. Everything is brodcast for ratings, but sweeps hadnothing to do with it. If they had them in January they wouldn't have held onto them until may.



They are scapegoats. Let's not forget, however, that they're also GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES.


Wow, Karnak. You're pre-cognative abilities are stunning.


Completely unkowable. How many lives did the techniques cost when we realeased innocent Iraqi's back into the community to tell tales of torture?

If you want to preform some sort of moral calculus on the cost/benefit of using torture to interrorgate I don't think you'd like the results.

There's an expression in the intel commuinity: "what you want to see or hear isn't nessicarily the truth". It sounds pretty obvious, but it's not. If you interrogate an innocent person long enough with the sorts of techniques in question, they will almost allways confess to whatever you want them to. To the Lindburgh Kidnapping if you ask them to.

The tricky thing is that the threat of torture can be an effective motivating factor while ACTUAL torture almost never is. That's why you'll see so many pictures come out of this. Sshowing someone a picture of what might happen to them if they don't cooperate is more effective than actually doing it to them.


Yeah, one?

It's a regualr holocaust of US civillians.

Edited, Thu May 13 14:56:19 2004 by Germonick