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"marduk.... you totally rule.."
Yanari, why would you fight over something you do not believe in?
I called no one a liar, Eyap asked to be convinced to believe.
"Our convictions probably run more deeply than yours."
You get angry at me for making a statement about your beliefs, then you judge mine?
I called no one a liar, Eyap asked to be convinced to believe.
"Our convictions probably run more deeply than yours."
You get angry at me for making a statement about your beliefs, then you judge mine?
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With your intelligence as low it at is, I'm amazed you "belive" at all.
Well, aint that frigin cleaver of Skeeter!!! Bravo!
How long did that take you spot that typo and use it to his disadvantage!?!? So firggin wat if he has low intelligence.
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My advice is to not do what ever you do.
WHAT!?! Wat dat so suppose to mean!?!? Hmmm, man if ye gonna be an assshole and rip someone for no reason watsofrigginever (and YES that IS one werd), then do so with SOME intelligence!
You yeself didn't dispaly much intelligence ither!
Itz okiedokies (YES ONE WERD AGAIN) (YES A MADE UP WERD) (YES, WERD is a MADE UP WORD too) for you create of BS topic but no else?
Man. Wat the *** is up with the peeps here, everyone is so concerned with the level of others intelligence!!!
No one on this forum shows that much intelligence anyways.
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No one on this forum shows that much intelligence anyways.
"Is is imperative that we be given preference over these mendicants... Marduk.... Commands It.."
As far as the original topic
I personally have to side with Smash on this one. I'm not a religious person, nor will I ever claim to be. I also will not be one to push my views on others. People can can have faith in whatever they want, just don't force me to think your way either.
Actually (please correct me if I'm wrong) I believe that would make you more of an agnostic.
ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.
One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.
Well, as you probably could have guessed, I can't help you there.
I just figured I'd toss in my 2 cents on the issue.
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Well? Whats your meaning about religion?
I personally have to side with Smash on this one. I'm not a religious person, nor will I ever claim to be. I also will not be one to push my views on others. People can can have faith in whatever they want, just don't force me to think your way either.
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Myself are, so far an atheis, Im not sure what to belive...
Actually (please correct me if I'm wrong) I believe that would make you more of an agnostic.
ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.
One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.
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Make me a believer!!! lol
Well, as you probably could have guessed, I can't help you there.
I just figured I'd toss in my 2 cents on the issue.
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So did every Christian for over 1000 years. You'd think the son of god might have thrown us a friken bone and mentioned "hey, but the way...word's round."
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
The concept of god is Irrelevant.
If you look around you ,you'll see patterns in everything... from the breezes to the tree leaves ... to the way we speak and interact... Everything is somhow reflectiing of of everything else in an intrinsyc harmony of patterns.... If you LEARN to recognize this pattern... (EVEN in small doses... it operates on may levels....From the Hand holding the Marrionette.. to the wood grain of the doll itself)..
Watch the movie "Pi" ..... it adds a nice logical twist to things for you people that play word games with words like "God".
it is the pattern tath dictate.. whethere you want to personify it or not.. You ARE a part of it.
If you look around you ,you'll see patterns in everything... from the breezes to the tree leaves ... to the way we speak and interact... Everything is somhow reflectiing of of everything else in an intrinsyc harmony of patterns.... If you LEARN to recognize this pattern... (EVEN in small doses... it operates on may levels....From the Hand holding the Marrionette.. to the wood grain of the doll itself)..
Watch the movie "Pi" ..... it adds a nice logical twist to things for you people that play word games with words like "God".
it is the pattern tath dictate.. whethere you want to personify it or not.. You ARE a part of it.
Belief is a personal thing, as many others have already said on this thread, no one can make you believe anything. You can listen to people discuss their religion until they're blue in the face, but if you don't have belief, then you don't have faith, which means.. you still don't have a religion, even if you say you do. :)
There are "scientific" facts that point out no-God, God, and everything in between. It all depends on what you decide you wish to believe in.
I can give all the "facts" and "proof" that I personally believe in to formulate my faith, but none of that matters. If you choose to not believe in it, then you choose to not believe in it.
There are religious people out there who take the Bible at word value, meaning that despite all science to the otherwise, they believe the world is really only.. what, 6,000 years old or something? No matter how many facts I throw at them about how old the Earth really is, they have an explanation as to why it isn't true.
There are also people who are athiest, and you can throw miracles at them until you have everything up to a chorus line of angels singing and doing the Electric Slide, and they'll have an explanation as to why it isn't true.
No one can TELL you what to believe, be it for or against a deity. No one can CONVINCE you of what they believe in, either. It isn't like convincing you that your car has a flat tire, afterall. That's pretty easy to convince you of if you didn't believe me. People can try, and they can argue their point, but it all boils down to the fact that you have to believe in something that is, in essence, intangibe, unproovable, and entirely dependent on what you think is true.
That's why, after all, there are so many religions out there and variations on religions. :) If it was so simple as one person being able to convince everyone who didn't believe in his religion to suddenly start believing, then.. we wouldn't have nearly half as much trouble in the world as we do now. :)
There are "scientific" facts that point out no-God, God, and everything in between. It all depends on what you decide you wish to believe in.
I can give all the "facts" and "proof" that I personally believe in to formulate my faith, but none of that matters. If you choose to not believe in it, then you choose to not believe in it.
There are religious people out there who take the Bible at word value, meaning that despite all science to the otherwise, they believe the world is really only.. what, 6,000 years old or something? No matter how many facts I throw at them about how old the Earth really is, they have an explanation as to why it isn't true.
There are also people who are athiest, and you can throw miracles at them until you have everything up to a chorus line of angels singing and doing the Electric Slide, and they'll have an explanation as to why it isn't true.
No one can TELL you what to believe, be it for or against a deity. No one can CONVINCE you of what they believe in, either. It isn't like convincing you that your car has a flat tire, afterall. That's pretty easy to convince you of if you didn't believe me. People can try, and they can argue their point, but it all boils down to the fact that you have to believe in something that is, in essence, intangibe, unproovable, and entirely dependent on what you think is true.
That's why, after all, there are so many religions out there and variations on religions. :) If it was so simple as one person being able to convince everyone who didn't believe in his religion to suddenly start believing, then.. we wouldn't have nearly half as much trouble in the world as we do now. :)
Typos aside, let me ask you if English is your native language.
Now stick with me, I just want to understand EXACTLY it is you are asking. I will not ASSUME anything.
This does not seem to be a (gramatically) precise question. Most of us might assume you mean:
What is your idea of religion?
or
What does religion mean to you?
or
What does YOUR religion mean to you?
or
Does YOUR religion have meaning?
Meaning could have subtle variations.
You see what I mean? (No puns intended)
Well, that is the question hounding philosphers and 'religious' clergy for eons. Mostly these are people with time and money enough not to be troubled by the day-to-day struggle to survive, so they have the freedom to ponder it. Happily you seem to be in this category, as are a lot of us.
Assuming anyone would want to MAKE you believe something, here goes...
Everyone has got to believe in something, so I believe I will have another drink...
Now stick with me, I just want to understand EXACTLY it is you are asking. I will not ASSUME anything.
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Whats your meaning about religion?
What is your idea of religion?
or
What does religion mean to you?
or
What does YOUR religion mean to you?
or
Does YOUR religion have meaning?
Meaning could have subtle variations.
You see what I mean? (No puns intended)
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Myself are, so far an atheis, Im not sure what to belive...
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Make me a believer!!! lol
Everyone has got to believe in something, so I believe I will have another drink...
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Mostly these are people with time and money enough not to be troubled by the day-to-day struggle to survive, so they have the freedom to ponder it.
hey, guess poor people can't afford any gods..
Actually, historically at least, poor people have the most faith in God.
After all, I don't think the Inquisition hit too many poor folks. ;) Mainly rich people who had land the church wanted to take. O:) Damn rich heathens!
After all, I don't think the Inquisition hit too many poor folks. ;) Mainly rich people who had land the church wanted to take. O:) Damn rich heathens!
*Still not proved that any god exists*
Something should happen, something that made everyone change minds...not neccesarily stuff like all of a sudden, god apperas, but SOME kind of a clear miracle, I have never seen a miracle that couldnt be luck or anything...
Something should happen, something that made everyone change minds...not neccesarily stuff like all of a sudden, god apperas, but SOME kind of a clear miracle, I have never seen a miracle that couldnt be luck or anything...
Got a point there singforu.
Well I dont belive so many here are unintelligent, but those pricks who belive they are smarter than anyone here are those who are wrong!gah! hate arrogant people...(not pointing out anyone)
Also dislike flamers who do it on hobby basis...lets shut up about intelligence and keep things going on here...
Well I dont belive so many here are unintelligent, but those pricks who belive they are smarter than anyone here are those who are wrong!gah! hate arrogant people...(not pointing out anyone)
Also dislike flamers who do it on hobby basis...lets shut up about intelligence and keep things going on here...
Sorry for the grammar, I belive its my way of putting words together that makes it difficult to read, and easy to misunderstand. When you listed those sentences like that, I saw that it was just a wrong way to put the words togheter...
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*Still not proved that any god exists*
The existance of God solely depends on faith.accordng to popular belief
If you were to be Proven that God exists.... no faith would be needed... so then God would cease to exist..
.. would "disappear in a poof of logic"
42 man!!
besides.. if we already knew everything..and everything was proven and disproven..wouldn't our lives be nothing more than mastabatory?
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Myself are, so far an atheis, Im not sure what to belive...
then your'e not an atheist, an eithiest belives that there is no go, if you dont know what to believe than your an agnostic, not an athiest
If there is a god....
...then he is the ULTIMATE dead-beat-dad there ever was!
Where are thou FATHER when I needed you! :)
...then he is the ULTIMATE dead-beat-dad there ever was!
Where are thou FATHER when I needed you! :)
To me that is backwards, God is a caring loving father, instead, we are the runaway children. We are the ones who did not trust God and ran from him. And he is ready to accept us back with open arms whenever we need him. I can't scientifically prove he exists, and no one can prove he doesn't. I can't make you believe, all I can do is plant the seed by being open and honest about my personal beliefs. After that, it is out of my hands. In the end, religion is a personal choice, no one can force it on you.
To those that say that the religious are fools then I am sorry you feel that way. All it does is show that you yourself are close minded and inconsiderate of others views. Others can believe what they will and I encourage others to express their views in a way that is considerate and polite, not rude.
To those that say that the religious are fools then I am sorry you feel that way. All it does is show that you yourself are close minded and inconsiderate of others views. Others can believe what they will and I encourage others to express their views in a way that is considerate and polite, not rude.
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There are also people who are athiest, and you can throw miracles at them until you have everything up to a chorus line of angels singing and doing the Electric Slide, and they'll have an explanation as to why it isn't true.
How about starting with ONE miracle inthe history of the world that has any evidence at all to back it up.
This "both sides are equal" ******** has to stop because it's just not true. Both sides of the "flat earth vs round earth" argument aren't equal and both sides of the "god vs no god" argument aren't equal. It's nice to not want to hurt people's feelings but the reality is if you believe in God you're precisely, exactly, absolutely, engaging in the same mental activity as a 4 year old who belives in Santa.
Exactly.
Edited, Thu May 13 17:13:16 2004 by Smasharoo
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would anyone atleast admit that there is SOME chance that anyone taht would need to see proof would be passed by by the evidence of such proof?.... late..fate n' suff.
because if god did exist.. IF he did... why would he let 'un-enlightened' minds in on it....YOu say.. so that you can become enlightened... well.. My belief is that the truth IS ALL AROUND us.... if you havn't seen it by now.. then you have some growing to do.. that's all.. I believe the life and all of it's patterns are Not An Accident.
All Gods aside.... the mioricle is life itself.... ever notice ANYthing weird?. odd? stuff that didn't seem like it could possibly happen?.. probably not.... because in the same way taht you'd say tht we can convince ourselves to believe in a God or Magic or wahtever... YOu can convince yourself that there isn't...
Auras exist scientifically...... OUr Third eye is there.. the pituitary gland... It is desighned to pick up the smallest of vibrations....(amongst other things) Everything is a vibration of energy in one form or another... they say that electrons can communicate over any distance... Animals can tell which way north is.... People can tell if someone is watching them.... Twins can somtimes "read" each other... "chakras"are merely concentrations of electro-chemical and magnetic energies in the body... Energy can be manipulated by other energy.. OUr THOUGHTs are energy patterns....matter is energy... .. All things taht are fairly proven scientifically...
There are so many ingrediants to people opening their minds up.. no one put's it together.. because it's easier to leave beliefs as they are cause they'r working for us... Are they?
My personal belief is taht any miraculous thing or magical thing can have an explanation by science..... BUT ...WAHT IF.. science hasn't gotten taht far yet.. I'm not talking about proving God.. I'm talking about ANything that we pawn off as hocus pocus and mumbo jumbo.. We have the materials.. just no tools to measure it..
If it was 200 years ago and I told people that our bodies were being affected by the planets and the moon by some unseen force... PAH.. "you're crazy", they'd say.. science dictates otherwise now.
I love how we are so arrogant as a race taht we can say... "ther is no life on so and so planet, because it doesn't have the proper Oxogen and Nitrogen and CO2 levels in the atmossphere".. well... WTF?. waht if there are species out there taht don't need that to survive... waht if there are species taht don't need cells and bones and planets to survive??... waht if there are entities out there taht don't require anything but pure Thought to survive?... THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.. History has told us that... in 1890s.. a patent clerk said that there is nothinog left to invent... well waht would he say about the internet.. or stem cells.. or Prozac?
Can YOU think of anything out there that we havn't found yet?
We are humans.. and are limited to human thinking.. but to say taht Our way of things is the only way is just ludicrous.
For all we know Cows ruled the Earth millions of years ago and Humans came and conquered them..... after afew great wars.. we finally subjected them to the same treatment the Machines in the Matrix subjected humaNs to... .. Trapped in countless, endells rows of stalls with all kinds of tubes and wires hooked up to them to harness their bodys for nurishment and resourse.... And all the legends about cattle-gods.. and sacred white bulls.. is but a the remnants of a distance memory long forgotten... Who knows... who is going to prove it.. OR disprove it....vertainly not the enyoked cows... they would have forgotten thing s like language long ago... honestly we don't know **** about ****... we only know wah tis in front of our faces.. and waht is in our minds...
I could be wrong... who cares... I'm not killing anyone over it// "FREE THE COWS OR DIE!!"
just because you havn't seen it ..it doesn't exist.. that is the going argument. That's cool.. i can get with the existentialism of it all..
by the way.. I believe I HAVE seen things taht defy logic and modern reason... SO it's either I am right about ****.. or I am Crazy... I prefer to believe that I am right...
ANd to fianlly answer the original question:Are the Atheists or the Religious a bunch o' fools?
Yes
Edited, Thu May 13 18:43:55 2004 by Kelvyquayo
because if god did exist.. IF he did... why would he let 'un-enlightened' minds in on it....YOu say.. so that you can become enlightened... well.. My belief is that the truth IS ALL AROUND us.... if you havn't seen it by now.. then you have some growing to do.. that's all.. I believe the life and all of it's patterns are Not An Accident.
All Gods aside.... the mioricle is life itself.... ever notice ANYthing weird?. odd? stuff that didn't seem like it could possibly happen?.. probably not.... because in the same way taht you'd say tht we can convince ourselves to believe in a God or Magic or wahtever... YOu can convince yourself that there isn't...
Auras exist scientifically...... OUr Third eye is there.. the pituitary gland... It is desighned to pick up the smallest of vibrations....(amongst other things) Everything is a vibration of energy in one form or another... they say that electrons can communicate over any distance... Animals can tell which way north is.... People can tell if someone is watching them.... Twins can somtimes "read" each other... "chakras"are merely concentrations of electro-chemical and magnetic energies in the body... Energy can be manipulated by other energy.. OUr THOUGHTs are energy patterns....matter is energy... .. All things taht are fairly proven scientifically...
There are so many ingrediants to people opening their minds up.. no one put's it together.. because it's easier to leave beliefs as they are cause they'r working for us... Are they?
My personal belief is taht any miraculous thing or magical thing can have an explanation by science..... BUT ...WAHT IF.. science hasn't gotten taht far yet.. I'm not talking about proving God.. I'm talking about ANything that we pawn off as hocus pocus and mumbo jumbo.. We have the materials.. just no tools to measure it..
If it was 200 years ago and I told people that our bodies were being affected by the planets and the moon by some unseen force... PAH.. "you're crazy", they'd say.. science dictates otherwise now.
I love how we are so arrogant as a race taht we can say... "ther is no life on so and so planet, because it doesn't have the proper Oxogen and Nitrogen and CO2 levels in the atmossphere".. well... WTF?. waht if there are species out there taht don't need that to survive... waht if there are species taht don't need cells and bones and planets to survive??... waht if there are entities out there taht don't require anything but pure Thought to survive?... THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.. History has told us that... in 1890s.. a patent clerk said that there is nothinog left to invent... well waht would he say about the internet.. or stem cells.. or Prozac?
Can YOU think of anything out there that we havn't found yet?
We are humans.. and are limited to human thinking.. but to say taht Our way of things is the only way is just ludicrous.
For all we know Cows ruled the Earth millions of years ago and Humans came and conquered them..... after afew great wars.. we finally subjected them to the same treatment the Machines in the Matrix subjected humaNs to... .. Trapped in countless, endells rows of stalls with all kinds of tubes and wires hooked up to them to harness their bodys for nurishment and resourse.... And all the legends about cattle-gods.. and sacred white bulls.. is but a the remnants of a distance memory long forgotten... Who knows... who is going to prove it.. OR disprove it....vertainly not the enyoked cows... they would have forgotten thing s like language long ago... honestly we don't know **** about ****... we only know wah tis in front of our faces.. and waht is in our minds...
I could be wrong... who cares... I'm not killing anyone over it// "FREE THE COWS OR DIE!!"
just because you havn't seen it ..it doesn't exist.. that is the going argument. That's cool.. i can get with the existentialism of it all..
by the way.. I believe I HAVE seen things taht defy logic and modern reason... SO it's either I am right about ****.. or I am Crazy... I prefer to believe that I am right...
ANd to fianlly answer the original question:Are the Atheists or the Religious a bunch o' fools?
Yes
Edited, Thu May 13 18:43:55 2004 by Kelvyquayo
Kelti, Yo
I have a seizure everytime I see a post of yours... your avatar is my new drug.
"Hail Seizure!"
I have a seizure everytime I see a post of yours... your avatar is my new drug.
"Hail Seizure!"
Ok. First point. Please please please, take a half second to fix up the horrid spelling errors and typos in your post before hitting the button. It doesn't have to be perfect, but the sheer volume of errors is staggering...
Because that argument is completely circular. So those who require some sort of proof of God before they'll believe in him will never get that proof, and those that don't won't need it (they wont get the proof either though). Um... That's a meaningless statement. You're saying that something exists because you believe it exists. I can say that about *anything*.
Are you aware you're just tossing out random new-age psychobabble here? This is all garbage. Look. I'm all for accepting that there are things we don't understand in the world around us. However, I'm also equally sure that not one of the people who profess to "know" this stuff actually have any more insight then I do. They're just willing to make something up that sounds good so that gullible people will pay money to attend their seminars and buy thier stupid little trinkets.
My issue isn't with whether there are unknown things about the world. It's about people who absolutely must have an explanation and will accept any that is given to them, with no fact, and no evidence, simply because someone says it's that way. That's just stupid.
I agree 100%. Science doesn't explain everything. But neither does religion. Religion is simply a fabricated story made up to fill in the gaps of things we don't actually know. In other words, they don't know either! They just pretend to. So why believe them?
Considering Issac Newton was born in 1642, I'd say you must have read his work, and that those other people were ignorant of what was then modern physics.
Yes. However, there is no evidence that any of that happened (ok. There were cattle gods, but that probably had more to do with a reverence for the domestication of animals and how that allowed larger communities to form that were capable of building monuments in the first place).
You're making a really good case for why current world religions are no more likely to be "right" then the Minoans, or the Greeks, or the Celts, or any other culture with a mythological explanation of the world around them.
There's a huge difference between accepting that there are things in the world we can't understand, and arbitrarily deciding exactly what those things are and how they really work. One is logical. If I don't know how two twins 100 miles appart both had the same dream at the same time, I should just admit that I don't know. The other is not. If I insist that it was God sending them both a message, then I'm picking a random explanation for the phenomenon. That explanation has no more validity then any of a million other possible explanations. That's why I have a problem with religion. I *really* have a problem with religious belief when it either attempts to enforce those arbitrary exlanations on other people as though they were fact, or attempts to refute things we actually do know (science) because it doesn't match their made up explanation.
I've seen a fair share of "odd and unexplained" things in my life. They do happen. However, I'm not going to assume one particular explanation for them. I simply can't say. I'm ok with no knowing for sure because we have no way to know for sure. How on earth can someone be content with an explanation that is also unsure? I'd rather say: "Gee I don't know why that happened", then say: "That was the hand of God, so I should attend church every day and tithe money, and prepare for judgemen day". That just seems a bit of a stretch don't you think?
Edited, Thu May 13 20:06:58 2004 by gbaji
Kelvyquayo the Malevolent wrote:
because if god did exist.. IF he did... why would he let 'un-enlightened' minds in on it....YOu say.. so that you can become enlightened... well.. My belief is that the truth IS ALL AROUND us.... if you havn't seen it by now.. then you have some growing to do.. that's all.. I believe the life and all of it's patterns are Not An Accident.
Because that argument is completely circular. So those who require some sort of proof of God before they'll believe in him will never get that proof, and those that don't won't need it (they wont get the proof either though). Um... That's a meaningless statement. You're saying that something exists because you believe it exists. I can say that about *anything*.
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Auras exist scientifically...... OUr Third eye is there.. the pituitary gland... It is desighned to pick up the smallest of vibrations....(amongst other things) Everything is a vibration of energy in one form or another... they say that electrons can communicate over any distance... Animals can tell which way north is.... People can tell if someone is watching them.... Twins can somtimes "read" each other... "chakras"are merely concentrations of electro-chemical and magnetic energies in the body... Energy can be manipulated by other energy.. OUr THOUGHTs are energy patterns....matter is energy... .. All things taht are fairly proven scientifically...
Are you aware you're just tossing out random new-age psychobabble here? This is all garbage. Look. I'm all for accepting that there are things we don't understand in the world around us. However, I'm also equally sure that not one of the people who profess to "know" this stuff actually have any more insight then I do. They're just willing to make something up that sounds good so that gullible people will pay money to attend their seminars and buy thier stupid little trinkets.
My issue isn't with whether there are unknown things about the world. It's about people who absolutely must have an explanation and will accept any that is given to them, with no fact, and no evidence, simply because someone says it's that way. That's just stupid.
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My personal belief is taht any miraculous thing or magical thing can have an explanation by science..... BUT ...WAHT IF.. science hasn't gotten taht far yet.. I'm not talking about proving God.. I'm talking about ANything that we pawn off as hocus pocus and mumbo jumbo.. We have the materials.. just no tools to measure it..
I agree 100%. Science doesn't explain everything. But neither does religion. Religion is simply a fabricated story made up to fill in the gaps of things we don't actually know. In other words, they don't know either! They just pretend to. So why believe them?
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If it was 200 years ago and I told people that our bodies were being affected by the planets and the moon by some unseen force... PAH.. "you're crazy", they'd say.. science dictates otherwise now.
Considering Issac Newton was born in 1642, I'd say you must have read his work, and that those other people were ignorant of what was then modern physics.
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For all we know Cows ruled the Earth millions of years ago and Humans came and conquered them..... after afew great wars.. we finally subjected them to the same treatment the Machines in the Matrix subjected humaNs to... .. Trapped in countless, endells rows of stalls with all kinds of tubes and wires hooked up to them to harness their bodys for nurishment and resourse.... And all the legends about cattle-gods.. and sacred white bulls.. is but a the remnants of a distance memory long forgotten... Who knows... who is going to prove it.. OR disprove it....vertainly not the enyoked cows... they would have forgotten thing s like language long ago... honestly we don't know **** about ****... we only know wah tis in front of our faces.. and waht is in our minds...
Yes. However, there is no evidence that any of that happened (ok. There were cattle gods, but that probably had more to do with a reverence for the domestication of animals and how that allowed larger communities to form that were capable of building monuments in the first place).
You're making a really good case for why current world religions are no more likely to be "right" then the Minoans, or the Greeks, or the Celts, or any other culture with a mythological explanation of the world around them.
There's a huge difference between accepting that there are things in the world we can't understand, and arbitrarily deciding exactly what those things are and how they really work. One is logical. If I don't know how two twins 100 miles appart both had the same dream at the same time, I should just admit that I don't know. The other is not. If I insist that it was God sending them both a message, then I'm picking a random explanation for the phenomenon. That explanation has no more validity then any of a million other possible explanations. That's why I have a problem with religion. I *really* have a problem with religious belief when it either attempts to enforce those arbitrary exlanations on other people as though they were fact, or attempts to refute things we actually do know (science) because it doesn't match their made up explanation.
I've seen a fair share of "odd and unexplained" things in my life. They do happen. However, I'm not going to assume one particular explanation for them. I simply can't say. I'm ok with no knowing for sure because we have no way to know for sure. How on earth can someone be content with an explanation that is also unsure? I'd rather say: "Gee I don't know why that happened", then say: "That was the hand of God, so I should attend church every day and tithe money, and prepare for judgemen day". That just seems a bit of a stretch don't you think?
Edited, Thu May 13 20:06:58 2004 by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Deathfromtheskies wrote:
To me, if someone says they are an athiest, it's like they know there is a God to not believe in, ya know?
1. Athiests don't understand what they're saying.
2. Athiests are just liars and in denial.
Either way, your claim is that you know our beliefs better than we do. Guess what? You don't.
Stating athiests don't believe or understand what they're saying when they say "I am an athiest. There is no god" are the "fighin' words".
If someone wants to believe in a god it's no skin off my nose until they start forcing their beliefs on the general populace.
Judge your beliefs? Of course I do. How else would I reach the conclusion that there is no god? By judging all other options to be unacceptable. Don't take it so personally.
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You're saying that something exists because you believe it exists. I can say that about *anything*.
Yes, that's exactally waht I'm saying. Thank you for breaking it down. But it is a matter of everyones beliefs interacting behind the cosmic scenes forcing the universe into dynamic existence.
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random new-age psychobabble here? This is all garbage
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there are things we don't understand in the world around us
see my point?
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people who absolutely must have an explanation and will accept any that is given to them, with no fact, and no evidence, simply because someone says it's that way. That's just stupid.
no, that's just that I know Everything. (^_~)
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Religion is simply a fabricated story made up to fill in the gaps of things we don't actually know
The thing about fabricated stories is taht these Stories usually tell more about the People than history ever will. If you need a further explanation read On Fairy Stories by J.R.R. Tolkien. ^^
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accepting that there are things in the world we can't understand, and arbitrarily deciding exactly what those things are and how they really work
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However, I'm not going to assume one particular explanation for them
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You're saying that something exists because you believe it exists. I can say that about *anything*.
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I can say that about *anything*.
Edited, Thu May 13 21:15:14 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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