Don't remove someone from party for what they do IRL...Follow

Agreed!

Kiatrix, I can complete understand, accept and respect your wishes to have no part to do with it in real life.. and simple because someone says they're doing it online does not make it any part of your life. They are hundreds or thousands of miles away from you. You cannot say that you died in a party because your whm was stoned. You can say that you died in a party because your whm sucked. Thats vague.... could be because the whm was stoned or drunk... then again it could be because they were on the phone, or had to answer the door for the pizza guy, or were watching a dvd instead of paying attention.

There are many more factors for bad party members and someone simply being stoned is not that harsh... I mean how much of the game do you really have to pay attention to? Melee's just watch for weaponskills mainly, tanks will have to voke if the mob leaves (but most can't do this properly while sober). BLM's don't really have to pay attention to anything (except for Magic Bursts)... they just cast. Finally as a whm, I only watch the lower right corner where the party's HP stats are. I also keep my fingers over the f1-f6 keys and my pinky over control so I can quickly target and cast. When I'm whm, I cast so mad I feel like I'm playing my keyboard like a piano or something.

My point is simple: Do not confuse Reality with Fantasy. I doubt you'll get kicked out of college cause someone across the country is in your party and smoking. I keep hearing rebuttle statements to this, but all supporting arguements are from real life scenario's. Personally, if I were to die from someone's inhabilitated mindset, I probably wouldn't assume they're discumbobulated, I'd just assume they're a horrible player with more to learn. So again I state... Please remove someone from a party for the faults they make, not from the actions they say they're doing IRL.

'Ludes enhance that whole living-without-drugs experience thing. Just sayin'.

Totem

*giggle* That explains a lot about your posts, Kelv. ;)

While I COMPLETELY agree on the point of the message, anyone who takes a 5 minute break every 10 or 20 minutes is getting kicked, no matter what they are dooing. Smoking pot, a cig, oregano, dooing lines of pure cane sugar... I don't care. You are holding up the group. Do your drugs or whatever AT THE PC :)

Unless they are sick and crapping/ralphing their brains out, that is a good excuse :p


Edited, Fri May 14 11:45:57 2004 by Bakkasan

I may have spaced it out in several posts, but that's what I'm trying to get at. It's just been my experience that people who are stoned/drunk are more likely to be kicked out of the group for being an unacceptable party member, not because we're sitting there saying, "He smokes weed, we must kick him" but because we're sitting there going, "What the @#% are you doing? You left in the middle of the fight to go SMOKE?" :P

We take regular breaks in my party, for grabbing food, using the restroom, taking the dogs out, etc, etc. If someone uses that time to smoke, that's fine. But when we get back from break, they had better be able to still play the game properly and not get us all killed. :)

Very true... but this eludes onto my whole point...

Not all people who are high are terrible.

The point of this thread is mainly to state:
"Give someone a try to prove their worth." If they're a terrible player because they're going idle inbetween fights to smoke a bowl... by all means, remove them. That is neglegance in the game. The IRL situation is just the cause... point here is you're not upset at him/her for smoking, you're upset at him for leaving in battle to do so.

I'm smart about my recreation. I will break it up so it does not effect my party. As a whm, I wait till I'm down to 4 MP and I need to rest. I hit my rest macro... say brb, afk and then take 30-45 seconds (infront of my keyboard) setting myself up. Usually someone pulls before I can get to it, but its done and ready to go next REST. I never occupy my hands during battle, and I put everything down when its time for battle.

Its a true shame I don't have more players that have partied with me here to back me up, but I put my party first when I play.. and this game does not require such attention to detail that I must be sober.

Truthfully, the only thing that has ever gotten in my way and caused death to myself and/or my party has been my cat. My cat will jump up on my lap and then I have to arch my arms over her. This cat is HUGE... 23-24lb's and I can't see my keys anymore after she's on my lap. I hit wrong macro's and wrong targets quite easily. So are you saying you will not ever party with anyone with fat cats?

I drank to much Mulsum in the Lion Springs Inn, in South Sandy...I think I got a Galka size Hangover...

=)

I may not have experienced it first hand, and maybe it was just a function of my roomies being very heavy pot smokers, but yes, that's very much how they were when they were high. So, you can hardly expect me to base MY experiences with people who do drugs on the way YOUR friends act when high, can you?

And you must have missed one of my earlier posts that says:



Meaning I don't care what you do when you're behind your monitor, AS LONG AS YOU CAN PLAY THE GAME. Was I being too obtuse in my statement? (Let me bold the pertinent points for you.)

I tend to be verbose in my opinions, and as I've learned, people tend to skip over what I'm really saying to highlight a few side-comments. Which you have apparently picked up on the very salient fact that I do not think doing drugs is a good thing. But what you are doing is taking my opinion on doing drugs and letting that override what I am SAYING. Which is (let me repeat it), I don't care what you do behind your monitor, as long as you can play the game!


No thanks. I'll pass.


Excuse me, do you have a fat cat that likes to sit in your lap when you're partying? You DO! Sorry, you can't party with us. NEXT!

I wasn't aware that by saying if someone in my party screws up consistently because they're stoned or a dumb-*** and they get kicked, that means I'm going to start making party applicants fill out a resume.

I myself have a cat. She likes to lay in my lap. But like anything else, if she gets in the way of my fingers, I move her. Or I move my keyboard. Or I do something so that my ability to play is not impinged upon by my cat, or my dog, or anything else. Because people are depending on my ability to play the game to stay alive. I miss a cure once, no big deal. I consistently miss curing people or something like that, I fix the problem.

And yes, in one sense, I don't have an informed opinion, having never done drugs myself. But I do have a valid opinion, having lived with someone who was chronically stoned all the time, as to what I can expect from someone who is stoned. Because I don't approve of it myself doesn't mean I'm going to kick someone for doing it so long as they aren't ******** up consistently.

And since I can't tell if you're stoned just by looking at the way you play, nor can I tell if you have an overwieght cat (unless it's a Maine ****, then it may not be overweight) in your lap while you play, unless you do something that shouts, "I am stoned, see me ***** up!" I won't know it.

Which means, if you are stoned and you don't act like a dumb-*** and get my party killed, you're fine and dandy to stay in the group. I've probably partied with people who were smoking up and I never knew it because they still played the game OKAY. (Oh wow, gee, and I'm alright with it! The end must be near!)

(Am I really repeating this a third time? Yes, I am, because in my first three posts on this subject, it appears to have been overlooked.)

If you are stoned, or not stoned, and you're acting like a dumb-***, and you don't straighten your act up, you don't get to stay in the group. IN MY EXPERIENCE, dumb-asses that we've gotten fed up with have been stoned, or drunk. So, IN MY EXPERIENCE, you're more likely to be kicked from a group if you are stoned or drunk. The two kinda directly correlate. You aren't being kicked because you're stoned or drunk, you are being kicked because of how you are playing the game (which may or may not be related to the fact that you are stoned or drunk!)

Dying in a game happens. It happens a lot depending on where you're fighting. It can happen to one person, it can be a whole party wipe-out. It happens. If it happens due to honest error, or bad luck, that's one thing. If it happens because my white mage or primary tank is doing ANYTHING and not paying attention, that's another. (Have I made my point yet?)

(Again, so you don't forget it, this has to be a consistent mistake. Because accidents do happen. You can look away from the screen for one second because your cat is yowling and a party member will go from being fully alive to fully dead. It happens.)

I hope I've been sufficiently clear this time.
Just in case I haven't been, let me repeat it again.
Do whatever you want to do on your side of the monitor. I don't care. As soon as it starts to affect your game-play, then I care, because it is directly affecting me also. And if you keep on doing whatever it is to the point where you keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again, then you're gone.

Sorry for the explosion. I also apparently was in a pissy mood yesterday. Also bit the head off of someone in my linkshell who was complaining that I didn't help him enough, no thank you, just "why didn't you do this before, would have been nice if you said this earlier!"

Okay, I can see how you're just arguing a point there, ElvaanKrem and I'm sorry I went psycho on you.

I would still disagree on one thing, ElvaanKrem, with your monk, not that I'd kick you for not boosting, but there is a move that will stun monsters, and if you're fighting a gobbie and a well-placed shoulder tackle can save a lot of people grief.. gotta be paying at least some attention. ;) (And no, I wouldn't kick you for not stunning the monster, either. That's a personal call on how to spend your TP outside of a skillchain, IMO, and unless someone specifically said, "Krem, save your TP to use shoulder-tackle to stop Gob bomb tosses.." you not doing it doesn't matter. :) But that's getting too "FFXI-specific" for this post, so I'll stop there. :)

I don't kick people for their emotes, emotes are meant to be funny and humerous and I don't usually take them seriously. Emotes about people doing drugs are not offensive. Sometimes dumb and repetitious IMO, but not offensive and not kick-worthy. That's like kicking someone from your group because they admit they're a girl in real life. Girls don't know how to play! *boot* (I am a girl, so, I disagree with that statement. :P)

ya'know Krem, my pagan friend, This is exactally my excuse/reason for doing it. I tell people, If I didn't do it.. i would murder all the idiots... ect..

But think about this.. all of this.. can't think straight, can't concentrate, don't want to play the game.... this become drab.... talk..

Have you concidered that these are all symptoms of your addiction? now I know, SOME may say "weed isn't sddiceting"... Well, yes it is. So are doritos, so is sex, so is Allakhazam..

One may also say... well the lack of motivation??.I'm motivated when I smoke..... but waht about when you come down?... where is your motivation then???.. I'm only motivated to smoke more.. or sit and stare... This is where the problem lies...
Smokers begin to believe that they Need to smoke or wahtever to get motivation to do things...and trust me.. I usually Do NOT have the patience to PLay FFXI when I am sober.. I am Always baked when I play....well I bet if you Didn't smoke for about a month everything would go back to normal... YOur motivation would come back to do things... you will be faster and more creative without your mind waiting and expecting that warm and fuzzy buzzy cloud on it..

SO please do not think that even when you have not puffed that you are in anyway close to being in a 'normal' mindset... All the weed you have smoked in the past few weeks are still taking their toll.... so that bummed out un-motivated attitied is not how it really is... try stopping for a month and let me know.
By the way.. i thinkg that all mental afflictions that people blame on weed are self fulfilling, and can be over come.. weed doesn't cause stupidity, only triggers it. BTW, I'm smoking a bowl as I type this. ^^