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people need to understand the difference between being immoral and ammoral
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people need to understand the difference between being immoral and ammoral
Immoral - Acknowledging a set of morals and going against what those morals state.
Ammoral - Having no moral concepts. The inability to distinguish between right and wrong.
i didnt say all people
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i didnt say all people
Wasn't dogging you...just trying to be informative...
yah i know, sorry im running out of caffeine and im limiting myself to one line unhelpful posts
I think a better question for this Krem is whether or not this is ethical. Everyone is going to have a different moral approach to this because you morals are established by the way you were raised, or your religious background. Ethics, especially bussiness ethics, tend to be generalized and most people, especially if they are in the same country tend to have a somewhat standard ethics. Oh and trust me their is a difference between morals and ethics.
I'd actually have to look them up for the complete definitions, but my understanding is the following:
Morals are based off the collective "mores" of a group of people. So, while you may have your own personal set of morals imposed upon you by your family or a subset of the collective whole, something is broadly "moral" or "immoral" based on how the society as a whole views it.
Ethics are based off a set of "rules" by which you arrive at a right or wrong answer to something. They are not so much personal beliefs as a set of rules that you follow to determine right and wrong. Ethics will always (should always) have a level of consistency to them. So if it's wrong for a white man to beat up a black man, it's equally wrong for a black man to beat up a white man. Morals don't always follow such distinctions and can be very inconsistent (a society full of white people could certainly decide that beating up a black man is "moral").
If he's talking about morals, then that's based on what the people in the region belief. If it's not illegal to do that, then obviously it's not viewed as that bad of a thing to do, so I have to question whether you can blanketly call it immoral.
It *could* be unethical, if your ethics include the "rules" that selling tobacco to children is wrong, and that selling something at an ice cream stand is likely to result in sales to children. But that's a different concept...
Morals are based off the collective "mores" of a group of people. So, while you may have your own personal set of morals imposed upon you by your family or a subset of the collective whole, something is broadly "moral" or "immoral" based on how the society as a whole views it.
Ethics are based off a set of "rules" by which you arrive at a right or wrong answer to something. They are not so much personal beliefs as a set of rules that you follow to determine right and wrong. Ethics will always (should always) have a level of consistency to them. So if it's wrong for a white man to beat up a black man, it's equally wrong for a black man to beat up a white man. Morals don't always follow such distinctions and can be very inconsistent (a society full of white people could certainly decide that beating up a black man is "moral").
If he's talking about morals, then that's based on what the people in the region belief. If it's not illegal to do that, then obviously it's not viewed as that bad of a thing to do, so I have to question whether you can blanketly call it immoral.
It *could* be unethical, if your ethics include the "rules" that selling tobacco to children is wrong, and that selling something at an ice cream stand is likely to result in sales to children. But that's a different concept...
King Nobby wrote:
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capitalism at it's best baaaaby. Did anyone else notice the strip club in the background.
I wish the cigarette truck would drive by here. I'd be sitting in my house, watching cartoons on a summer day, hear the sound of The Entertainer (the piano jingle, not the Billy Joel song) come in through the window, get all excited and run outside with my twenties in hand to buy a pack of Marlboro Lights and a rocket-pop.
Hell, it could be the Billy Joel song for all I care.
It was a beautiful song, but it ran too long
Hell, it could be the Billy Joel song for all I care.
It was a beautiful song, but it ran too long
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morals
Morality is a complex of concepts and philosophical beliefs by which an individual determines whether his or her actions are right or wrong.
Morality is a complex of concepts and philosophical beliefs by which an individual determines whether his or her actions are right or wrong.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
my god you guys are knitpickers... ok, I said Immorality instead of Ethical... Still feel cigarettes have no place being on an ice cream truck... otherwise the Ice cream truck should start selling those chalk cigarette gums again too. Hey, maybe some cartoon lighters by bic... or Mighty Morphin Power Ranger match books.
Ever notice the moral high ground some non smokers take?
I consider myself a non smoker via the fact I don't smoke cigarettes and only occasionally smoke a cigar. Maybe 1-5 a year. If that.
But I am no fool. I believe smokers belong in a bar. I believe it's ok to smoke in a restaurant in the smoking section. Lighting up at the beach or a park is ok with me. Who do these high moral people think they are to step in and tell people what to do because they feel it's bothering them. If you get second hand smoke from a smoker then politly ask them to not blow it your way or put it out. Depending on the circumstances. If your too proud or too offended then you leave. Don't make them leave unless they're doing it against the rules set by the private business owner or they are delibratly blowing smoke in people's faces.
Next thing you know people won't be allowed to walk around nude. Sheesh.
And on a side note, prohibition didn't work in the 20's and it won't work now.
I consider myself a non smoker via the fact I don't smoke cigarettes and only occasionally smoke a cigar. Maybe 1-5 a year. If that.
But I am no fool. I believe smokers belong in a bar. I believe it's ok to smoke in a restaurant in the smoking section. Lighting up at the beach or a park is ok with me. Who do these high moral people think they are to step in and tell people what to do because they feel it's bothering them. If you get second hand smoke from a smoker then politly ask them to not blow it your way or put it out. Depending on the circumstances. If your too proud or too offended then you leave. Don't make them leave unless they're doing it against the rules set by the private business owner or they are delibratly blowing smoke in people's faces.
Next thing you know people won't be allowed to walk around nude. Sheesh.
And on a side note, prohibition didn't work in the 20's and it won't work now.
Smasharoo wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morals
Morality is a complex of concepts and philosophical beliefs by which an individual determines whether his or her actions are right or wrong.
Morality is a complex of concepts and philosophical beliefs by which an individual determines whether his or her actions are right or wrong.
Sigh. Am I the only one not surprised when Smash includes just *part* of a definition for something? Let me bold the parts you left out:
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Morality is a complex of concepts and philosophical beliefs by which an individual determines whether his or her actions are right or wrong. Oftentimes, these concepts and beliefs are generalized and codified in a culture or group, and thus serve to regulate the behaviour of its members. Conformity to such codification may also be called morality, and the group may depend on widespread conformity to such codes for its continued existence. A "moral" may refer to a particular principle, usually as informal and general summary with respect to a moral principle, as it is applied in a given human situation.
Funny. When you add the bits in the definition where it mentions the group and the society, and how the individual's behaviour matches that of society, it's suddenly soooo much more like what I said in the first place.
Do you go out of your way to deliberately misread something just so you can argue with me Smash? That seems kinda silly...
Edited, Mon Jun 14 16:34:29 2004 by gbaji
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