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#1 Apr 05 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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I feel like I may be falling for an old internet joke, but polyphasic sleep has caught my attention. The idea goes like this:

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Polyphasic sleep involves taking multiple short sleep periods throughout the day instead of getting all your sleep in one long chunk. A popular form of polyphasic sleep, the Uberman sleep schedule, suggests that you sleep 20-30 minutes six times per day, with equally spaced naps every 4 hours around the clock. This means you’re only sleeping 2-3 hours per day. I’d previously heard of polyphasic sleep, but until now I hadn’t come across practical schedules that people seem to be reporting interesting results with.

How can this sleep schedule work? Supposedly it takes about a week to adjust to it. A normal sleep cycle is 90 minutes, and REM sleep occurs late in this cycle. REM is the most important phase of sleep, the one in which you experience dreams, and when deprived of REM for too long, you suffer serious negative consequences. Polyphasic sleep conditions your body to learn to enter REM sleep immediately when you begin sleeping instead of much later in the sleep cycle. So during the first week you experience sleep deprivation as your body learns to adapt to shorter sleep cycles, but after the adaptation you’ll feel fine, maybe even better than before.


The system Steve Pavlina is talking about above is the "Uberman" sleep schedule that he followed for 5 1/2 months in a detailed blog. Despite getting only 2-3 hours of sleep a day, he found himself fully awake and alert - as long as he followed the strict schedule requiring a nap every 3 1/2 to 4 hours. He said he quit in the end because "we live in a monophasic world" and he couldn't psychologically get adjusted to polyphasic. But during those months he had over 20 hours of "awake" time a day.

What I am looking to do is more of the "Everyman" polyphasic schedule; a longer nap of 3 hours a day, with 3 thirty minute naps through the day. The information can be found here and elaborated on the author's site here. Unlike the "Uberman" (which the author actually named back in 2000, apparently), this can be fitted to a 9-5 job like the one I work; the author herself claims to have been on this cycle almost continuously since 2009. It would still involve only 4 1/2 hours of sleep a day, meaning I would gain at least 3 extra hours and hopefully (if the testimonials can be believed) be less tired than nowadays, where I generally feel worn out after a long day at the office. The adjustment period is longer but the sleep-deprivation effects are lessened compared to "Uberman."


Now, all this could obviously be a joke. There are a few blogs I've found like those listed above detailing people having success and how they adapted to this kind of sleep pattern - and then there seem to be several dozen more that are all about failures. Furthermore, the "Puredoxyk" author admits to having sleep issues prior to trying the schedule (which is common in polyphasic sleep); and Steve Pavlina seems quite a bit eccentric. There's also a very detailed paper by Dr. Piotr Wozniak that attempts to explain how the entire concept has no scientific basis and anyone doing it and saying they are not sleep deprived is a liar or a mutant (both Puredoxyk and Pavlina have responses to this on their sites).

Anyway, it makes me curious. I'm thinking of taking some time off from work next month, and I thought adjusting to a polyphasic sleep pattern would be an interesting change. Anyone heard of this, tried it, or have any advice?

Edited, Apr 5th 2011 1:35pm by LockeColeMA
#2 Apr 05 2011 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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Timelordwho does the Uberman sleep schedule. When he has to go to sleep, he REALLY has to go, which leads to some abrupt departures. But he's also up at all hours.
#3 Apr 05 2011 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
It's not a joke, but I wouldn't reccomend it. Too inflexible.
#4 Apr 05 2011 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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Too inflexible.


This. If I want to be at a bar for 12 hours straight then dammit, I wanna be awake!

Or at least mostly functioning.
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#5 Apr 05 2011 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Anyway, it makes me curious. I'm thinking of taking some time off from work next month, and I thought adjusting to a polyphasic sleep pattern would be an interesting change. Anyone heard of this, tried it, or have any advice?
Enjoy feeling like you're going to die during your entire time off. Even proponents of it that I've read(a few links off of Cracked with a bit of looking after reading those) indicate that you'll feel incredibly awful until you adjust to it.
#6 Apr 05 2011 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
One of my colleagues in grad school tried this. I think she read somewhere that Einstein slept like this (her accounting not mine). It didn't work well for her at all. She was an older student (back then we called it "non-traditional" have no clue what the current phrase is), had a young teenager and was in school full-time. Not sure how life circumstances affected her attempt at that sleep cycle.
#7 Apr 05 2011 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
If you want to make a nice mess of your life with strange sleeping? Work 3rd shift!

#8 Apr 05 2011 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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My favorite sleeps are the naps in my car before class. Always a crazy dream.
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My favorite sleeps are the naps in my car before class. Always a crazy dream.


Do they end with some random creepy guy pressed up to the glass, taking photos of you?
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#10 Apr 05 2011 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
My roommate's boyfriend does the Uberman schedule every semester the few weeks before finals to get in some extra study time. He likes it, but says it's really hard to get accustomed to. On top of that, he always ends up ruining shortly after starting it by not waking up to his alarm, and once you've ruined it, even after "adjusting" apparently getting back on the schedule is just as hellish as the first time around.
#11 Apr 05 2011 at 5:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks for the opinion, all (and thanks for the e-mail, Rog!). I might give it a whirl come May - if I do, I'll try and record it in my ZAM journal to share Smiley: tongue
#12 Apr 05 2011 at 7:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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It didn't work for Kramer. Don't do it, man.
#13 Apr 05 2011 at 8:03 PM Rating: Good
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Just curiuos... 20-30 minutes each time, does that count the total time it takes you to even fall asleep? I can see that being problematic, unless after being adjusted you get the point where you fall asleep as soon as you close your eyes (which would be problematic at times I could see).
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#14 Apr 05 2011 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
One of the things I found helpful and a bit strange was taking naps when I was in college. It all started finding my roommate crashed out midday in the dorm. He explained that it's never bad to get a few extra ZZZ's if there was noting else to do or going on. So, I also crashed at odd times like he did. Surprisingly it helped a bunch. Considering that living in the dorms tends to be loud and distracting most evenings.
#15 Apr 05 2011 at 10:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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It works, but it's very rigid. I'll go into detail in a bit.
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#17 Apr 06 2011 at 7:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks for the opinion, all (and thanks for the e-mail, Rog!). I might give it a whirl come May - if I do, I'll try and record it in my ZAM journal to share Smiley: tongue


Try to start this at a time where high cognitive functionality is not a priority. The first couple days-week are pretty brutal. Also, have stuff to do, getting bored with your several extra hours will cause you to go nuts when combined with the sleep deprivation that occurs during the transitory period.
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#18 Apr 06 2011 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Now, all this could obviously be a joke. There are a few blogs I've found like those listed above detailing people having success and how they adapted to this kind of sleep pattern - and then there seem to be several dozen more that are all about failures. Furthermore, the "Puredoxyk" author admits to having sleep issues prior to trying the schedule (which is common in polyphasic sleep); and Steve Pavlina seems quite a bit eccentric. There's also a very detailed paper by Dr. Piotr Wozniak that attempts to explain how the entire concept has no scientific basis and anyone doing it and saying they are not sleep deprived is a liar or a mutant (both Puredoxyk and Pavlina have responses to this on their sites).

Anyway, it makes me curious. I'm thinking of taking some time off from work next month, and I thought adjusting to a polyphasic sleep pattern would be an interesting change. Anyone heard of this, tried it, or have any advice?


Ok, so the core theory behind polyphasic sleep is that the only bits of sleep that are really important are the deep-phase elements where you learn, record and grow. Not getting those phases is why sleep deprivation is bad, because you haven't filtered through your short term memory components and analyzed and dumped them. Now, your brain can only do a certain amount of these processes in succession, and has to "cool down" from using those portions of your brain. So what your body does is runs a lighter sleep cycle which is mostly just waiting, although there are some regenerative functions that are constantly running, but they still run when in a deep-phase sleep. The reason for a lot of sleep issues is during this "waste" sleep period, the hardcore cognitive encoding period rarely if ever is broken by internal forces, since it essentially takes your complete subconscious focus. This is why converting to a PPS or ESS or any of the various derivatives 'solves' a ton of sleep disorders. It doesn't fix the disorder, just makes the time window they could occur approach zero.

Most people who end up trying polyphasic sleep are eccentric, because it's not the norm to think "Gee, I really don't like sleeping for sleep's sake, and would like to be up all hours of the night when noone else is around. I wish there was a way for me to be able to go tinker in the lab while noone else is there to stop my ethically challenged experiments. I know, let's test it! (See above for the resultants of that), and I don't care if it does horrible things to my functioning while I convert over to this time saving strategy."


I'll continue this later.
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First heard of that reading Farley Mowat's book Never Cry Wolf in which he takes on the wolves sleeping habits.
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#20 Apr 07 2011 at 8:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Just curiuos... 20-30 minutes each time, does that count the total time it takes you to even fall asleep? I can see that being problematic, unless after being adjusted you get the point where you fall asleep as soon as you close your eyes (which would be problematic at times I could see).


Your body adjusts and more or less instantly falls asleep at the regulated times. All other times you will feel more awake then you ever have not on this schedule.

Also, as a safety matter, don't carry a lethal weapon on your person with you while doing this regimen, because you will end up killing someone if they ruin one of your naps. Trust me on this.
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#21 Apr 07 2011 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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I'm giving it a whirl at the end of July.

There will be a 3 week gap in between summer school and next semester. I've read some pretty awful things about the first week of it.
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I'm giving it a whirl at the end of July.

There will be a 3 week gap in between summer school and next semester. I've read some pretty awful things about the first week of it.


Take those things and multiply them by three.

It's worth it though.
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#23 Apr 08 2011 at 12:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kaain wrote:
I'm giving it a whirl at the end of July.

There will be a 3 week gap in between summer school and next semester. I've read some pretty awful things about the first week of it.


Take those things and multiply them by three.

It's worth it though.


Yeah, you have so much extra time.

Just not enough to reply to the PM I sent you over 2 weeks ago, eh? Evidently.

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Edited, Apr 8th 2011 6:20am by Kavekk
#24 Apr 08 2011 at 3:24 AM Rating: Decent
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The U.S Army only guarantees us 4 hours of sleep in a day. How that 4 hours is broken up, is not guaranteed. There have been times when I felt like a zombie, completely clueless of the time of the day. When you wake up and go to sleep in the dark, it'll get like that lol.
#25 Apr 08 2011 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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I'd probably just obsessively check my bank accounts and various forums. I like my REM sleep too much to do that.
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Kavekk wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Kaain wrote:
I'm giving it a whirl at the end of July.

There will be a 3 week gap in between summer school and next semester. I've read some pretty awful things about the first week of it.


Take those things and multiply them by three.

It's worth it though.


Yeah, you have so much extra time.

Just not enough to reply to the PM I sent you over 2 weeks ago, eh? Evidently.

Not that I care.

NOT THAT I CARE.

NOT THAT I DO

OR EVER WILL

CARE,

TIMELORD.

YOU FISH-EATING PESCATARIAN SON OF A *****.

/RAGEquit

ETA: woops, typo.

Edited, Apr 8th 2011 6:20am by Kavekk


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