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#1 May 02 2011 at 8:52 PM Rating: Good
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Ehhhh



I couldn't be happier with tonight's results. Although, I now fear the day when things swing back.
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#2 May 02 2011 at 9:42 PM Rating: Decent
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We'll enjoy it while we can!

Extra MEGA PLUS: PQ will lose official party status. Boom.
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#3 May 02 2011 at 9:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Extra MEGA PLUS: PQ will lose official party status. Boom.
That I like.


However, conservatives in place makes me sad.
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What are you milkbaggers blathering on about? Canukistan doesn't get to have a real government, the Queen mum says so.
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#5 May 02 2011 at 11:03 PM Rating: Good
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I think of the potential options I saw being plausible a month ago an NDP opposition with a Conservative majority was the second best outcome I could realistically hope for.
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#6 May 03 2011 at 3:12 AM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
What are you milkbaggers blathering on about?
Taxes aren't going up, military isn't getting defunded. You know, the stuff you'd be happy with.
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I think of the potential options I saw being plausible a month ago an NDP opposition with a Conservative majority was the second best outcome I could realistically hope for.
I like the NDP with strength while Harper has a majority, because they'll be vocal enough to keep him from going too far too often. I fear them having this many seats though, because if Harper screws up, they've got the momentum to form the next government.
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#8 May 03 2011 at 4:09 AM Rating: Default
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I expected to see a Majority, otherwise id be kinda of pissed off that we have yet another (the 4th in a row) that would result in a minority government. What really shocked me was how much the Liberals **** the bed, its like the NDP and Liberals completely swapped places. Ignatief couldn't even win his own riding and lost to a rookie CPC candidate. The Bloc is also done, they didn't even win enough seats to retain official party status, and Duceppe lost his riding, and stepped down. The political landscape certainly has changed in the last day which is quite shocking, even more so than a Conservative Majority.

I wish I could say I was happy, the party that best aligns with my overall principles did get in, but I personally can not stand Harper, I absolutely 100% dislike him.

Also Im just going to throw this out there, but NDP + Liberal Merger for the next election, the Liberal Democrat Party, Id love to see a 2 party system.

(no one counts elizibeth may and the Green party as a real party, she is a side show of Canadian Politics.)
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I don't want a 2 party system where the NDP are part of that. We'll become the similar to the US, with major policy swings, instead of minor shuffles.
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#10 May 03 2011 at 5:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm disappointed with the results, myself. I'm happy that the NDP gained, that the block is dead(and will hopefully stay that way), and that the liberals got crushed. I'm not happy with a Harper majority for four years though. Unnecessary military spending, national deficits, useless and irresponsible "tough on crime" legislation, and a preference for so-called "moral" legislation for four years just isn't appealing to me.

I do like that the NDP will be poised to have a real shot next time around though.
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military isn't getting defunded
Can't say I'd be upset over lowered military spending this side of the border.
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military isn't getting defunded
Can't say I'd be upset over lowered military spending this side of the border.
If we spent the way you guys do, I'd feel the same. But we actually deprive our troops of almost all the tools they need to truly be effective. And where our current "extra" funding is going, is in fighter jets, and currently, air superiority rules the field and helps keep more troops out of harms way.
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#13 May 03 2011 at 6:13 AM Rating: Good
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I do like that the NDP will be poised to have a real shot next time around though.
That scares me. Don't get me wrong, I like the NDP platform, but I can't see it being something they can actually come through on, unless they drive our taxes up through the roof. I know you don't have an issue with higher taxes, but I do. Especially given that I'm not high enough into the top bracket to not feel the brunt of it.
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That scares me. Don't get me wrong, I like the NDP platform, but I can't see it being something they can actually come through on, unless they drive our taxes up through the roof. I know you don't have an issue with higher taxes, but I do. Especially given that I'm not high enough into the top bracket to not feel the brunt of it.


Putting the GST back where it was before, raising taxes for the wealthiest citizens and for corporations, raising taxes on alcohol, easing up on drug laws, and cutting spending on things the military doesn't need(new jet fighters, the ones we have are fine) sounds like it would work better than lowering taxes in order to pay for ****.

Really, the only tax cuts I'd be fine with would be to lower utility taxes, and to stop charging tax on goods bought outside the country. Also, non-metered internet and the end of mandatory canadian content laws would be nice, though not related to taxes.
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It still annoys me that the Greens are splitting the NDP vote they really should just merge the two parties.
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Putting the GST back where it was before
See, that doesn't' work for me as the provincial NDP already took back the 2% decrease, which would put me up at 17% sales tax. And I completely disagree with your comment on fighter jets.
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#18 May 03 2011 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't even know America Jr. had a military :P
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I didn't even know America Jr. had a military :P
Some of the world's best trained to be honest. Although, that may be because that's mostly all they do.
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See, that doesn't' work for me as the provincial NDP already took back the 2% decrease, which would put me up at 17% sales tax. And I completely disagree with your comment on fighter jets


Which province are you in? It would put me, and if I don't miss my guess, a large portion of the rest of the country at 15%, and, considering that for the most part, necessities like groceries are tax exempt, a 2 percent increase would be moot as far as paying more for the basic needs goes. And increase in the GST though, would have to go hand in hand with a small drop in the tax on electricity(especially in Ontario), water, and heat.

Also, by all means, tell me why our jets aren't good enough(The CF/18 Hornet is still quite effective for the purposes which we need and boasts a longer effective range then the jets that we seem to be buying)? Keep in mind, that we're only fighting against ill-equippied partisan forces on the ground at the moment, and we have no nearby hostile nations to defend against.
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Nova Scotia. The options were very limited when I stated provincial NDP government.


I never said the old fighters weren't effective. I said the new ones were needed. Air superiority saves lives (on our side) and the more effective jets we have the better we are to keep our troops out of harms way. The more jets we have, the less dependent we are on American jets, which reduces the possibility of accidents as it will be our forces directing our forces, overhead of our forces.
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I didn't even know America Jr. had a military :P
Some of the world's best trained to be honest. Although, that may be because that's mostly all they do.
I actually saw a documentary once about your military. There were two guys and a gun that shoots chickens.

Now that I'm thinking about it, that may have been SCTV.
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Psst! Ask them about their submarines!

THe F-18 isn't a bad bird if you don't really need stealth, and given the current needs of Canada defensivly, you probably don't. Of course I could be saying that as part of my whole plan to lull you into a false sense of security and then invade too I suppose. But really, unless you want to go to the expense of building a proper 4th generation strike fighter with twin engines, you're pretty good if you go with that or one of the eurofighter derivitives. The F-35 will have stealth, sure, but I think in the coming years you will be shocked at the attrition rate on them. Similar to the F-16 really, except not as nimble, but thney don't call the F-16 a "Flying lawn dart" for no reason.

I really don't know why someone hasn't passed a provision allowing the U.S. to sell F-22's to canukistan. of all our allies on the planet, I'd say you guys are probably the least likely to pose an immidiate threat to us during the expoected life of that aircraft, even if we do keep calling you funny names.
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#24 May 03 2011 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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Australia is pretty sore the US won't sell F-22s to us either.
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Point: We have air superiority already, the Taliban has no air force. We could just as effectively, use older, less costly models for the same job.
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Point: We have air superiority already, the Taliban has no air force. We could just as effectively, use older, less costly models for the same job.
Lol, you think national security and protection of our troops is limited solely to the Taliban/Al'Queda/Hamas?

As for the F-22's, I imagine the US is in no hurry to sell them to us as they can get to most locations at home relatively quickly enough to not need to sell them to us. We use our crap and delay whatever is coming in, you guys show up and annihilate it.
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