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#1 Aug 02 2011 at 11:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Charmaine got cast in a webseries and again it's a project about zombies. I don't know why she's becoming the go to girl for the undead projects. However, she doesn't die in this part, which means she might actually get picked up for a continuing part. Yay.

Somehow after the zombie meltdown, Charmaine's character has become some kind of zombie guru. She knows how the zombies came to be, what they actually do, how to kill 'em, etc. The producers on this say that the zombies are unlike any other zombies. Not sure what that means as we haven't seen the script yet. But due the producers' creative process, the shoot is going to be "guerilla-style" with some possible improvisation. Hence, I need the OOT's input.

Possible lines that Charmaine can say while she's talking about:

What zombies are immune to.
Why cemetaries are safe from zombies (and yes, we're shooting in a cemetary--and she's totally cool with it since we have some deceased family member residing at every cemetary in San Diego).
Best way to kill a zombie (non-head shots apparently).
Best way to fit in with a zombie mob.

Only limitation is that she's not allowed to use the more extreme cuss words. Damn and crap are about the strongest she'll be allowed to go. She's talking to a younger kid and saving the younger kid from being eaten.
#2 Aug 02 2011 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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What zombies are immune to. Poisons and gasses.
Why cemeteries are safe from zombies: burial grounds drain the energy animating the zomibes away from them.
Best way to kill a zombie: severe the head so it can't direct the body.
Best way to fit in with a zombie mob: cover yourself in corpse remains so you smell like them, walk without rhythm so you don't attract the worm horde.
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#3 Aug 02 2011 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Possible lines that Charmaine can say while she's talking about:

What zombies are immune to.
Why cemetaries are safe from zombies (and yes, we're shooting in a cemetary--and she's totally cool with it since we have some deceased family member residing at every cemetary in San Diego).
Best way to kill a zombie (non-head shots apparently).
Best way to fit in with a zombie mob.

Only limitation is that she's not allowed to use the more extreme cuss words. Damn and crap are about the strongest she'll be allowed to go. She's talking to a younger kid and saving the younger kid from being eaten.


Cemetaries could be safe from zombies because it's consecrated ground? Maybe they're athiest zombies.

Best way to kill a zombie is obviously a headshot, but... to set it on fire, as embalming fluid is highly flammable.

I like The Walking Dead's idea of how to fit in with a zombie mob. Cover yourself in hunks of dead human.
#4 Aug 02 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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Charmaine is seriously hoping that the script does call for her to roll around in some dead human flesh. I'm still waiting on the script and if they want to start shooting on Saturday, I need the script today so Charmaine can start memorizing and running lines. They're already cutting it a bit short.

I know that they're going to veer away from anything to do with The Walking Dead and try to be original, but seriously, how else are you going to be able to fit into a zombie mosh pit?
#5 Aug 02 2011 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds like they're trying to make a PG zombie flick. I have to say, that is way too limiting. I'll try, though.

Zombies are immune to essentially everything, short of starvation, fire, and extreme cold.

No cemetery is safe from zombies. That is entirely counterproductive to a zombie apocalypse. It's where 90% of zombies come from. Cemeteries would be the least safe places to be. I don't know, maybe if they're some kind of magicked zombies created in a morgue and the cemetery reminds them of their death and they explode or something, but that seems silly. If you're creating zombies, then limiting your supply of zombies seems kind of a worthless handicap.

The best way to kill a zombie is to destroy the brain. That's like the top eight ways. The other two ways I can think of is to set fire to them, and to starve them. Seeing as how initial outbreak of the zombie apocalypse means there is plenty of food for them, that option seems to be out, so when in doubt, burn it to a second death. Of course, you can also freeze them, but it isn't so much the freezing that kills them so much as their inability to get food, so they starve.

One story says the best way to fit in with zombies is to smell like them and be really really quiet. Apparently their sense of sight is all but gone, but their sense of smell and hearing are enhanced. So if you take the gore of the undead and essentially bathe in it, and walk slowly and quietly, you should be able to make it out.

Honestly, if you want better answers I'd need to know more about the story. Zombies go from slow moving and easily avoidable brainless masses to fully functional but really really hungry immortals.

Why zombies could happen.

Why it would fail.


Edited, Aug 2nd 2011 1:39pm by lolgaxe
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#6 Aug 02 2011 at 11:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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I know that they're going to veer away from anything to do with The Walking Dead and try to be original, but seriously, how else are you going to be able to fit into a zombie mosh pit?


You could do like Sean of the Dead and just walk really slowly and moan and grunt.
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No cemetery is safe from zombies. That is entirely counterproductive to a zombie apocalypse. It's where 90% of zombies come from.

Have you seen a modern burial vault? If zombies can punch through the steel casket and concrete vault and six feet of earth, there's no sense in even hiding because they're just going to bust through your fortress like the Kool-Aid man.

Your modern zombie will have to come from the unburied dead or else those buried in some state-run Potter's field where you still have mass graves of pine boxes.
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#8 Aug 02 2011 at 11:47 AM Rating: Excellent
I'd like to see a zombie movie where the zombie has agoraphobia.
#9 Aug 02 2011 at 11:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Have you seen a modern burial vault?
That's what, twenty to thirty years worth? And that's assuming it's the standard. Unless we've modernized every cemetery since we stopped just tossing corpses into rivers and lakes, I stand by the no cemetery is safe concept.

Also, that makes it boring.
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#10 Aug 02 2011 at 11:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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1. What zombies are immune to.
Starvation, normal wounds, exposure to most normal weather. Oh, and poison (gas and injected). No circulation and no breathing means most of those things don't do much.

2. Why cemetaries are safe from zombies (and yes, we're shooting in a cemetary--and she's totally cool with it since we have some deceased family member residing at every cemetary in San Diego).
This is tougher... I can think of three reasons. Either the religious aspect warding away evil; cemeteries being ground zero for the newly animated corpses and they promptly leave due to lack of food; or because there is so much "undeadness" around there they can't sense something living. The last one is a stretch, admittedly.

3. Best way to kill a zombie (non-head shots apparently).
Freezing them. Trap them in a giant freezer, which renders them immobile until thawed, or bursts all their remaining brain cells. Fire also works, but it probably a bit more gruesome. If going for the religious approach, some magic circle or exorcism.

4. Best way to fit in with a zombie mob.
Thriller dance. Or covering yourself in zombie gore/fluids so you smell like them, then stumble through the streets.

Edited, Aug 2nd 2011 1:56pm by LockeColeMA
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Your corpses thrown in the ground, lakes and rivers 30+ years ago aren't going to make for very structurally sound zombies. I'd be worried about people who died a month ago and were reanimated, not legions of shambling pilgrims and Confederate soldiers.

Modern burial practice. Vaults and liners are largely required by cemeteries these days to prevent sinkholes as the earth settles, caskets degrade, etc.

Thumb wanted to know why a cemetery would be safe and, assuming they're in a reasonably modern cemetery, there's your reason. At least it handles why you'd be safe from the dead bursting up from under you. If we're asking why they can't breech the fence, that's another question entirely.

Edited, Aug 2nd 2011 1:00pm by Jophiel
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Zombies don't need to be too structurally sound, they just need to infect someone who is.
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They need to reach someone who is in order to infect them. Which is tricky business when your soft tissues became topsoil a couple decades ago.
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#14 Aug 02 2011 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Zombies are immune to essentially everything, short of starvation, fire, and extreme cold.
Acids and caustic chemicals could possibly be a danger to them as well.

Don't forget that fire may not kill them quickly, depending on how hot of a fire you get.
#15 Aug 02 2011 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Smiley: lol You guys crack me up.

I love how this evolved into a debate.

But no actual lines you want Charmaine to say? As in "Best way to kill a zombie is to boil it in butter and whip it at cars."

And yes, this webseries is actually going to be rather PG-rated.
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Thumbelyna Quick Hands wrote:
Best way to kill a zombie (non-head shots apparently).


Almost forgot, you can nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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#17 Aug 02 2011 at 2:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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But no actual lines you want Charmaine to say? As in "Best way to kill a zombie is to boil it in butter and whip it at cars."


*Holds a flamethrower toward an approaching swarm of zombies*
"Say hello to my little friend!"

*Freezes zombies in a walk-in freezer*
"You guys need to chill out!"

*Stares at the approaching hordes*
"This bites!"
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"I'm in the Zombie-bashin' business. And business is good."

Edited, Aug 2nd 2011 4:37pm by LockeColeMA
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LockeColeMA wrote:
*Stares at the approaching hordes*
"This bites!"


Winner!


Also is this supposed to be PG and "The Walking Dead" serious, or "Return of the Living Dead" campy?

Edited, Aug 2nd 2011 4:50pm by Shaowstrike
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Lighting a zombie on fire is a terrible idea.

Now instead of a zombie coming at you you have a flaming zombie coming at you. Even if it doesn't bite you it'll at least burn you.
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#20 Aug 02 2011 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Also is this supposed to be PG and "The Walking Dead" serious, or "Return of the Living Dead" campy?

Edited, Aug 2nd 2011 4:50pm by Shaowstrike


My impression is that they want to be serious, and they're letting Charmaine have some space in interpreting the way this character is going to be. She wants to channel her character like Alice a la Resident Evil but I don't think that a pre-teen girl could pull that off without looking campy or dressed up for Halloween. Because of the shooting and production style, there's going to be improvisation, and I think that it would be natural for a 12 year old girl to be rather dramatic and over the top if she's discussing zombies.

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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Also is this supposed to be PG and "The Walking Dead" serious, or "Return of the Living Dead" campy?

Edited, Aug 2nd 2011 4:50pm by Shaowstrike


My impression is that they want to be serious, and they're letting Charmaine have some space in interpreting the way this character is going to be. She wants to channel her character like Alice a la Resident Evil but I don't think that a pre-teen girl could pull that off without looking campy or dressed up for Halloween. Because of the shooting and production style, there's going to be improvisation, and I think that it would be natural for a 12 year old girl to be rather dramatic and over the top if she's discussing zombies.



Have her watch Zombieland over and over to study Abigail Breslin as Little Rock. She could probably get some pointers there since Breslin was 13 at that time.
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1. What zombies are immune to.
2. Why cemetaries are safe from zombies (and yes, we're shooting in a cemetary--and she's totally cool with it since we have some deceased family member residing at every cemetary in San Diego).
3. Best way to kill a zombie (non-head shots apparently).
4. Best way to fit in with a zombie mob.


1. Zombies are immune to fear, reason, and poison.

2. When around other dead, the power holding the zombie together will leech out to other corpses. Unless the whole cemetery is raised, this makes it a moderately safe place to hide from the walking dead.

3. Anti-magic or blessed weapons weaken the fragile magicks holding the hollow corpse together. Killing the commanding necromancer also works.

4. The best way to fit in with a shambling horde of zombies is to refrain from thinking. Clear your mind so you appear one of the mindless mass.
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What zombies are immune to. - pudding.
Why cemetaries are safe from zombies (and yes, we're shooting in a cemetary--and she's totally cool with it since we have some deceased family member residing at every cemetary in San Diego). - you either have to go with the highlander style "holy ground" argument, or make up something about zombies running in packs and not being able to tell the difference between the smell of a rival zombie mob, or the smell of lots of legitimatly dead people, assuming zombies even have a sense of smell?
Best way to kill a zombie (non-head shots apparently). - appear to drop something large and heavy on it. Car crushing grapnel, small buildings, etc.
Best way to fit in with a zombie mob. - Break into the now defunct grocery store, cover yourself in cement powder or flour etc and something that smells bad (maybe rotting produce?)
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What zombies are immune to.
Why cemetaries are safe from zombies (and yes, we're shooting in a cemetary--and she's totally cool with it since we have some deceased family member residing at every cemetary in San Diego).
Best way to kill a zombie (non-head shots apparently).
Best way to fit in with a zombie mob.
[...]

Here's some creative responses given the limitations of the setting. Of course, none of this is how STANDARD zombies react... =X


1. Zombies are immune to any kind of pain or fear, so setting them on fire and dropping a vat of acid on a zombie doesn't faze it unless you can completely burn them away. Starving them also doesn't do any good.

(Magic version) 2. A properly maintained cemetery is safe from zombies because the whole process of maintaining the place is like constantly maintaining a (insert a ritual related to calming or the idea of 'rest in peace' here), which repels them.

(Non-magic version) 2. Cemeteries are safe from zombies as long as you stay in the center area of the cemetery. The combination of materials and where they are placed in a cemetery repel zombies, so any zombies that are in a cemetery are only focused on leaving it as soon as possible. When you're in the center, this focus is so strong that you can stand in their way and they'll just ignore you. The closer they get to the edge of the cemetery, however, the more likely they will notice you.

3. The best way to actually kill a zombie is to completely obliterate it with anything that can destroy a corpse. That can take some time though, so the next best thing is to hack off their limbs so they can't move or grab you.

4. The best way to fit in with a zombie mob is to not feel or smell alive and not carry anything that repels them. Zombies are attracted to your body heat and scent. You'll have to smell like a corpse and not put out any body heat to avoid getting attacked, so if you can't hide those, you're in trouble.
#25 Aug 03 2011 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Also, not sure if it matters, but it's always best to kill zombies from a distance. Being in close looks cooler, but the splatter will ruin you. Got a cut? A handnail? Get some in your eyes? Bam, you're a zombie.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Thumbelyna Quick Hands wrote:
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Also is this supposed to be PG and "The Walking Dead" serious, or "Return of the Living Dead" campy?

Edited, Aug 2nd 2011 4:50pm by Shaowstrike


My impression is that they want to be serious, and they're letting Charmaine have some space in interpreting the way this character is going to be. She wants to channel her character like Alice a la Resident Evil but I don't think that a pre-teen girl could pull that off without looking campy or dressed up for Halloween. Because of the shooting and production style, there's going to be improvisation, and I think that it would be natural for a 12 year old girl to be rather dramatic and over the top if she's discussing zombies.



Have her watch Zombieland over and over to study Abigail Breslin as Little Rock. She could probably get some pointers there since Breslin was 13 at that time.


One of Charmaine's favorite movies. Yes, she has been watching this to prep for the shoot.

Script finally came in and I read it. And essentially, the behavior and activity of these zombies depend on how dead they've been and tissue breakdown before they became zombies. Some bodies are too dead to become zombies. And of course the only senses zombies really have are sense of smell and hearing. They can't see very well because their eye organs are too degraded. Strength and dexterity seems to be diminished as well, depending on how long you were dead before you became a zombie.

And ding to Joph because they take refuge in a vault that's way too difficult for zombies to break through.

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Edited, Aug 3rd 2011 8:49am by Thumbelyna
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