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#27 Sep 22 2011 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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That's actually a way a Sim can die in Sims 2-3 as well. I had this wonderful couple going, everything was sunshine and roses, and then BAM! a soviet sattelite falls and kills the lady Sim while she was outside staring at the clouds.

This reminds me of one of the funnier Let's Play style articles from Cracked on the Sims. NSFW, but worth reading.


Man, I booted up the Sims 3 last week just to try it out since I enjoyed the original many years ago but haven't played since... that sh*t is complicated now. I didn't really enjoy failing to keep up with like 20 different things at once.
I only ever played sims so that I could create and decorate houses...


Yeah I like to build a nifty house, make a couple or a family of Sims, move them into the house, get them jobs, get the main Sim couple busy... and then I lose interest once they've scored.
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#28 Sep 22 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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Here's video footage of it falling to earth.

Pretty exciting stuff.
#29 Sep 23 2011 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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According to NASA, it should be hitting ground sometime this afternoon, give or take 14 hours.
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#30 Sep 23 2011 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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According to NASA, it should be hitting ground sometime this afternoon, give or take 14 hours.
And what's the area narrowed down to now?
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#31 Sep 23 2011 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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According to NASA, it should be hitting ground sometime this afternoon, give or take 14 hours.
And what's the area narrowed down to now?
Between Antartica and Santa's Workshop. But. But. NASA says they'll give us a 20 minute warning to give us ample time to evacuate the area.
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#32 Sep 23 2011 at 4:06 PM Rating: Good
Current predictions are in the middle of the Pacific, but bits might smash into Hawai'i too.

http://reentrynews.aero.org/1991063b.html
#33 Sep 24 2011 at 2:21 AM Rating: Good
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Nasa searches for scraps of crashed satellite in Canada and Indian Ocean

Nasa has confirmed that debris from a bus-sized satellite has crashed back to Earth in Canada, the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean and the Indian Ocean.

The American space agency said decommissioned Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite fell back to Earth between 11.23pm and 1.09am on Saturday morning (3.23am GMT to 5.09am GMT).

Tracking of the satellite, which broke up during its re-entry through the atmosphere, showed it was passing eastwards over Canada and areas of open ocean.

Nasa said it was still trying to determine the precise re-entry time and location. Unconfirmed reports on Twitter suggested some of the debris may have fallen near a town south of Calgary in western Canada.

A Nasa statement by on the UARS website said: "The satellite was passing eastward over Canada and Africa as well as vast portions of the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian oceans during that period.

"The precise re-entry time and location are not yet known with certainty."
The satellite, which was used to monitor the Earth's atmosphere, was the biggest piece of US space junk to fall to Earth in 30 years.

Most of the satellite was expected to have burned up during re-entry but 26 fragments weighing up to half a tonne in total are expected to hit the Earth's surface.

Officials said the risk to the public from the satellite was very remote.

The tumbling motion of the satellite has made it hard to accurately predict where the satellite would hit the Earth.

Scientists were kept guessing as the object flipped position in its ever-lower orbit, temporarily stalling its death plunge.

Jonathan McDowell, of the Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics, said: "It just doesn't want to come down." He said the satellite's delayed demise demonstrated how unreliable predictions could be.

He added: "The best guess is that it will still splash in the ocean, just because there's more ocean out there."

The two dozen parts that survive the re-entry may weigh as little as two pounds or as much as 350 pounds, NASA said, and the debris field is expected to span 500 miles.

Mark Matney, an orbital debris scientist at Nasa, said: "In the entire 50 plus year history of the space program, no person has ever been injured by a piece of re-entering space debris.

"Keep in mind we have bits of debris re-entering the atmosphere every single day." The US Department of Defence and Nasa were tracking the debris. The US Federal Aviation Administration issued a notice to pilots and flight crews of the potential hazard, and urged them to report any falling space debris and take note of its position and time.

On Friday, Italy's civil protection agency warned that the probability of a crash in its northern territory had risen from 0.6 to 1.5 per cent, and urged residents to stay indoors, on lower floors, preferably near load bearing walls.

Orbital debris experts say space junk of this size from broken-down satellites and spent rockets tends to fall back to Earth about once a year, though this is the biggest Nasa satellite to fall in three decades. Nasa's 85-ton Skylab crashed into Western Australia in 1979.

The surviving chunks of the UARS satellite are likely to include titanium fuel tanks, beryllium housing and stainless steel batteries and wheel rims.

Nasa added: "Pieces of UARS landing on Earth will not be very hot. Heating stops 20 miles up, and it cools after that." Any surviving wreckage belongs to Nasa, and it is against the law to keep or sell even the smallest piece.

There space said sharp edges could be dangerous and warned people not to pick up pieces if they find them, urging them to contact local law enforcement authorities instead.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8786121/Nasa-searches-for-scraps-of-crashed-satellite-in-Canada-and-Indian-Ocean.html
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#34 Sep 24 2011 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Nasa searches for scraps of crashed satellite in Canada and Indian Ocean

Nasa has confirmed that debris from a bus-sized satellite has crashed back to Earth in Canada, the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean and the Indian Ocean.

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The two dozen parts that survive the re-entry may weigh as little as two pounds or as much as 350 pounds, NASA said, and the debris field is expected to span 500 miles.


So NASA can safely rendezvous two space craft traveling thousands of miles an hour at using a connection point less than 2 meters wide, but they can't accurately predict the debris field from a simple defunct satellite? This is not confidence-inspiring.
#35 Sep 24 2011 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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If you'd like to attempt the complex problem of determining precisely how a 13000 pound satellite will break up upon hitting the atmosphere and suffering the heat of re-entry, and then figure out where all of those small pieces will go (or if they'll just vaporize) under the influence of both gravity and atmospheric drag, and if you think you can get a more accurate estimate than within 500 miles, be my guest. It isn't exactly a simple problem to solve.
#36 Sep 24 2011 at 1:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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So NASA can safely rendezvous two space craft traveling thousands of miles an hour at using a connection point less than 2 meters wide, but they can't accurately predict the debris field from a simple defunct satellite? This is not confidence-inspiring.


Meh.

They can land a space shuttle (well at least they used to be able to). I hear it's easier to drive a car with a steering wheel as well.
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#37 Sep 24 2011 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you'd like to attempt the complex problem of determining precisely how a 13000 pound satellite will break up upon hitting the atmosphere and suffering the heat of re-entry, and then figure out where all of those small pieces will go (or if they'll just vaporize) under the influence of both gravity and atmospheric drag, and if you think you can get a more accurate estimate than within 500 miles, be my guest. It isn't exactly a simple problem to solve.


Don't forget the satilite was tumbling too, so Atmospheric drag is going to be a variable even without factoring in the decreasing overall surface area as the thing breaks down. That being said, one of the spy satilite or missile radar stations probably caught it, it will kust take time to sort through them, or the military to authorize releasing the data. What probably will hapen is someone from the pentagon will call nasa and give them a hint, but tell them not to find it too quickly because we don't want to tip our hands regarding capabilites.
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#38 Sep 26 2011 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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The atmosphere will also inflate or deflate based on the intensity of the sun, which we can't reliably predict. The satellite crashes to earth when its velocity is no longer high enough to keep it orbiting the planet. Larger atmosphere means it hits more particles at the same distance from the Earth, which means that there's a random component to the deceleration that we can't calculate beyond a probabilistic average ahead of time.

The tumbling then exacerbates that fact.

And these things are a hell of a lot easier if you have an engine with fuel that can help you fix things in real time. Doesn't really matter how complex the system is if you have a pilot whose just watching various gauges and piloting accordingly.
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